Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

[silvertop]

A number of factors influencing things
1. The European debacle
2. Not being able to clear all deadwood - ie. Eduard and Holding
3. Clubs standing firm on transfer fees.
4. also, the new ownership might have something to do with it. Ie. Woody won't sanction any spending until his people have done an assessment

All in all, this could lead to another slow start to the season.

But quick finish

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

Great post. Echo my thoughts with some facts to back you up 👍

 

[Palacesince64]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

No need to apologise! A good summary of the situation. If Guehi wants Liverpool and they want him then it’s a win-win to wait til next season. He will stay unless Liverpool take a huge offer for Konate. Given the changes in that team they will want Konate and Van Dyck together. Equally, I don’t see Parish letting Eze go unless someone meets the terms of his release clause and Glasner’s comment may reflect his concern that external factors could make both happen late in the window.
Worth adding that if, as reported, discussions have taken place over a new contract and Glasner has declined Parish isn’t going to spend a fortune on new players for a manager who is unlikely to stay beyond this season especially when we don’t have Europa League football.

 

[PatrickA]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

Agree with much of this.
Nonetheless, Glasner raised the same issue last season about the pre season so he seems to take the view that lessons have been learnt.

I'm not judging who's right or wrong.

The key thing will be how the window looks at the end - incoming and outgoing.
The opportunity to bed in new players (Glasner's objective) is slipping away, but perhaps was unrealistic .

 

[rikz]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

There's uncertainty in every transfer window, every player has a price, it's no secret that Guehi and Eze have many admirers, Eze has a release clause that could be activated at anytime, the club will be well aware of this and should have plan A,B,C in place, you can't use that as an excuse. It will be the same with wharton next summer, so do we sit around again and do nothing untill we know what's happening with him ?

 

[NEILLO]

There's uncertainty in every transfer window, every player has a price, it's no secret that Guehi and Eze have many admirers, Eze has a release clause that could be activated at anytime, the club will be well aware of this and should have plan A,B,C in place, you can't use that as an excuse. It will be the same with wharton next summer, so do we sit around again and do nothing untill we know what's happening with him ?

So are you suggesting that we invoke “ Plan A “ in advance of selling either of those two before they have actually left the club ?

And how do you know there aren’t plans in place ??

 

[grumpymort]

So are you suggesting that we invoke “ Plan A “ in advance of selling either of those two before they have actually left the club ?

And how do you know there aren’t plans in place ??

We do the same thing every year it's nothing new.

It wont change while SP is running things.

He will spend more in legal fees then transfers at this rate ridiculous

All the other clubs in the league have spent so far most of them 30m+ - Palace 2m.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

It’s a pretty factual statement from Glasner. Of course he’s disappointed and clearly it might affect how we start if we lose players and recruit late. It doesn’t mean he’s going to resign as implied in much of the click bait today. eI’m sur he appreciates the issues at the club currently and the impact on recruitment.
He will see out his contract and move on at the end of the season. He was never going to extend whatever we did this summer. He has bigger fish to fry and probably nearer home.

If he did appreciate the issues, he wouldn't have said what did to the media.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

A very good post, the highlighted bit i hope you are right, we don't need anymore problems.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

Just speculation on my part, same as everyone else on this topic, but here goes.

I think there are three factors at play here. In no particular order ;

1. The continuing uncertainty over whether Guehi and Eze are staying. I've mentioned before that Guehi wants to be starting games and that's not guaranteed while Konate remains at Liverpool. Konate is also in the last year of his contract. From Press reports ( I know ) it seems he's planning to run down his contract and walk away on a free transfer next summer. If that's the case, Guehi is highly unlikely to move.
As for Arsenal/Eze, Arsenal look to be hoping that Palace drop the price from the quoted release clause of £67m. Unless the player agitates for this move I can't see it happening nor can I envisage Parish reducing the asking price. So in the Media, all we read about is both players leaving and links to possible replacements - Diomande being an example. We can't afford to sign that player and then Guehi doesn't move.

2. Textor's exit - Johnson's arrival. Possible financial impact to the club while this transaction was in flight - ie. Palace were not able to fund / borrow significant amounts to buy players.

3. The UEFA situation. Not going to rehash all that again.

Now let's look at what others - mainly in what I consider to be our peer group, have been doing ;

Aston Villa - 3 players in at a cost of £5.9m
Bournemouth - 2 in - and they've sold players that will surely leave them weaker this coming season
Brentford - 5 in - funded by the sale of key players
Brighton - 6 in - funded by sales of Joao Pedro, Estupinan, Adingra
Burnley - 10 in - quantity but lacking quality imo
Everton - 4 in - Moyes complaining similar to Glasner
Fulham - 1 in
Leeds - 7 in
Notts Forest - 2 in
Sunderland - 6 in
West Ham - 3 in - one of those is Todibo, loaned out last season but WH had an obligation to buy
Wolves - 3 in

So, the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea spending big. Man U and Spurs have spent money too. Newcastle are feeling the impact of the Isak situation.

So while wholeheartedly agreeing that it's preferable to get players signed asap in the transfer window and get them integrated into the squad in pre season, the fact is that it's not that simple for a club like ours. Parish may have promised to avoid a repeat of last summers window but he's not in total control over the transfer market. Nor could he have foreseen some of the events of the last few months.

He has history of leaving business late but I don't think it was his intention to do that this time. Glasner is an intelligent guy so I would expect him to understand that there are mitigating circumstances at play here. Yes, he's voiced his frustration publicly and yes, he's fallen out with owners before after winning a trophy. But there's also no media story if he'd said he was happy with what he's got. We'll see !

Apologies for the length of this post.

I'd also lay money that most of those teams above would have swapped not losing some of the players they have, for ones that they've got in.

We've lost no one as of yet - and have some good quality players due to come back from injury.

 

[ASCPFC]

Could we gather that Glasner is not that interested in the youngsters when he says 17 first team players?

 

[doombear]

This is all true and was ever thus.

It begs the question how other clubs manage to successfully conclude early deals in the 'World of Transfers. '
Perhaps we need to ask them them the secret!

Perhaps they simply cough up what the selling club wants either because:

• they have bigger transfer pots than us or
• like Villa, Everton and Forest they are prepared to gamble that they'll get away with PSR etc.

One factor that hasn't been considered by many are UEFA's FFP regulations for teams competing in European competitions. We may well have the funds to buy players but because of possibly being close to the FFP limit re our total wage bill percentage may need to ensure we can offload some peripheral players so as to make room for new ones.

It may also be that one or more of our targets either:

• don't want to come to Palace or
• want to see which European competition we're in before deciding.

equally, it may be that the board and those responsible for negotiating transfers aren't doing a good job.

Who knows? I certainly don't.

What I do believe is that Glasner is a winner and wants to be working at a bigger club that can win trophies more regularly than the likes of Palace.

He over-achieved at two German clubs and has now done so at Palace. In the (possibly unlikely) event he agrees to a contract extension with us I would expect it to contain a clause that he can speak to certain types of clubs if they express an interest in him detc.

 

[Putitout]

Could we gather that Glasner is not that interested in the youngsters when he says 17 first team players?

I would take it as being the case. I for one am not surprised. It would be great if it was otherwise, but the golf between premier and the whole football league is very marked, let alone the golf that the vast majority of Under twenties have overcome.

 

[ambrose7]

Could we gather that Glasner is not that interested in the youngsters when he says 17 first team players?

I think we can gather that he doesn't see them as being first team standard right now who could step in and play 30 games if needed. Which is fair.

Rak-Sakyi became a bit part player by the end of last season at Sheffield Utd, not making the squad for the play off final. He's also 23 soon. Ozoh did his hamstring and didn't play. No-one else was playing at a high level, mixed success in League 2 for the outfield players with Adaramola and Imray now stepping up to League 1.

Derry had a lot of hype but he's departed. Mustapha similarly but he's got injured. Zach Marsh hit 2 in 16 for the U21s. Kporha isn't Munoz....

 

[PatrickA]

In the touring group in Austria, Glasner has Ahamada, Edouard and JRS all of whom look to be surplus to Glasner’s requirements for the new season even if they are playing on the tour.

Left at home are Franca (injured again), Doucoure ( not fully back from his injury) and Riad (not likely to be back until later in the year).
Without a pre season, these players must be some way from a first team return.

I’ve no doubt that if players don’t leave or get injured we can still put out a very competitive team.
However, the squad does look a bit thin taking into account the aforementioned 6 players who are unlikely to feature in the early weeks either because of transfer or injury.

I’m sure the club will bring in new players, but it’s likely to be closer the new season than Glasner would like.
The key decisions relate to whether Guehi and Eze remain and sadly I see that dragging on for a while yet.

 

[ASCPFC]

In the touring group in Austria, Glasner has Ahamada, Edouard and JRS all of whom look to be surplus to Glasner’s requirements for the new season even if they are playing on the tour.

Left at home are Franca (injured again), Doucoure ( not fully back from his injury) and Riad (not likely to be back until later in the year).
Without a pre season, these players must be some way from a first team return.

I’ve no doubt that if players don’t leave or get injured we can still put out a very competitive team.
However, the squad does look a bit thin taking into account the aforementioned 6 players who are unlikely to feature in the early weeks either because of transfer or injury.

I’m sure the club will bring in new players, but it’s likely to be closer the new season than Glasner would like.
The key decisions relate to whether Guehi and Eze remain and sadly I see that dragging on for a while yet.

Isn't it that ridiculous Afcon too? We lose Sarr at least for that. Can't remember if it's anyone else.

 

[MrRobbo]

We do the same thing every year it's nothing new.

It wont change while SP is running things.

He will spend more in legal fees then transfers at this rate ridiculous

All the other clubs in the league have spent so far most of them 30m+ - Palace 2m.

Just out of interest. Outside the top 6, who do you think has done good business?

 

[doombear]

I think we can gather that he doesn't see them as being first team standard right now who could step in and play 30 games if needed. Which is fair.

Rak-Sakyi became a bit part player by the end of last season at Sheffield Utd, not making the squad for the play off final. He's also 23 soon. Ozoh did his hamstring and didn't play. No-one else was playing at a high level, mixed success in League 2 for the outfield players with Adaramola and Imray now stepping up to League 1.

Derry had a lot of hype but he's departed. Mustapha similarly but he's got injured. Zach Marsh hit 2 in 16 for the U21s. Kporha isn't Munoz....

Let's have some fun identifying the 17 outfield players (although I think 16 of them are pretty obvious).

here's my take. The 16 obvious ones (to me at least) are:

• Richards, Lacroix, Guehi
• Munoz, Mitchell, Sosa, Clyne
• Wharton, Kamada, Hughes, Lerma, Devenny
• Sarr, Mateta, Nketiah, Eze,

No 17?
I'd say Edouard because he has shown he can perform in the PL.

 

[Eaglecoops]

In the touring group in Austria, Glasner has Ahamada, Edouard and JRS all of whom look to be surplus to Glasner’s requirements for the new season even if they are playing on the tour.

Left at home are Franca (injured again), Doucoure ( not fully back from his injury) and Riad (not likely to be back until later in the year).
Without a pre season, these players must be some way from a first team return.

I’ve no doubt that if players don’t leave or get injured we can still put out a very competitive team.
However, the squad does look a bit thin taking into account the aforementioned 6 players who are unlikely to feature in the early weeks either because of transfer or injury.

I’m sure the club will bring in new players, but it’s likely to be closer the new season than Glasner would like.
The key decisions relate to whether Guehi and Eze remain and sadly I see that dragging on for a while yet.

Exactly the point I have been making and Glasner appears to have confirmed this by saying 17 players. He hasn’t said it for no reason (unless the entire quote has been made up by the media of course).

Our first 11 is great and extremely competitive, our squad bar a few positions is currently as thin as Lidl toilet roll. I for one feel we need at least 3 through the door without losing Guehi and Eze. Fitness wise I don’t think you can rely on Franca, Doucoure and Riad being available regularly and we have lost Ward, Schlupp, and most probably Holding, JRS, Ahamada plus others out on loan.

It doesn’t need a lot more to go wrong to have an extremely weak squad. Still, I’m sure the powers that be know what they are doing.

 

[Putitout]

Let's have some fun identifying the 17 outfield players (although I think 16 of them are pretty obvious).

here's my take. The 16 obvious ones (to me at least) are:

• Richards, Lacroix, Guehi
• Munoz, Mitchell, Sosa, Clyne
• Wharton, Kamada, Hughes, Lerma, Devenny
• Sarr, Mateta, Nketiah, Eze,

No 17?
I'd say Edouard because he has shown he can perform in the PL.

I,d say Esse,. Edouard,s on the transfer list, that wouldn’t make him part of any plans, outside of a loan if no one wants to buy him.