The Politics of 'Climate-change'

[becky]

Exposing these kinds of abuses, which regrettably have existed since time began, is obviously necessary if we are to try to establish a fairer world.

Not all the cobalt or lithium is extracted with child labour. Here in Cornwall, pretty close to where I live, there is test facility which has drilled over 5000 metres deep to extract geothermal heat and convert it into electricity by recycling water through the site. They found lithium in the water and are now extracting that as well. It offers hope that the once vibrant mining industry here can rise again, but this time offering clean solutions to our problems.

I suspect that the amount of lithium mined in Cornwall in comparison to the other major producers would be like a small bottle of Cola to the Atlantic Ocean. Would the good burghers of Cornwall permit this sort of devastation to recover the quantities needed to be competitive? I doubt it! Also, that 'once vibrant' mining industry which, indeed, made a lot of mine owners rich from export all over the world was also responsible for the average survival age of the miners being c.40-45 years....I think they would would also want some clean solutions to their problems. Perhaps Cornwall is not the best place for comparisons.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I have heard tell there are huge reserves of natural gas in the SW of England 😀

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I suspect that the amount of lithium mined in Cornwall in comparison to the other major producers would be like a small bottle of Cola to the Atlantic Ocean. Would the good burghers of Cornwall permit this sort of devastation to recover the quantities needed to be competitive? I doubt it! Also, that 'once vibrant' mining industry which, indeed, made a lot of mine owners rich from export all over the world was also responsible for the average survival age of the miners being c.40-45 years....I think they would would also want some clean solutions to their problems. Perhaps Cornwall is not the best place for comparisons.

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This is a test rig but it is said that the potential for lithium extraction is significant from the granite that underlies much of Cornwall. Enough to substantially reduce, or even eliminate, our need to import it. As the technology also recovers heat to be used in electricity generation this has much potential. Alongside it there is also the possibility of recovering lithium from the same mines that currently extract china clay.

There would need to be above ground facilities of course but siting them on the redundant mines, many of which are unsightly and barren, in modern buildings, would improve the landscape and job opportunities. The extraction is mechanical and very clean. No large dams and settlement ponds involved or people working underground. Most employees are in white coats in laboratories.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I have heard tell there are huge reserves of natural gas in the SW of England 😀

Much more could be recovered from the bs found in a certain web forum in South London.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The biggest direct threat to the planet, is from over-population and the politics of human aspirations.
Developed countries are seeing a levelling-off of birthrates, with some even in decline. Other continents, with a lower standard of living, are still seeing unsustainably high birthrates.
And this is the crux of the Economist and Engineers viewpoint.
An Economist will tell you that human endeavour will solve any problem, and that resources are infinite.
An engineer will tell you that we only have so much cake to share, so best savour what you have.
A politician will tell you anything you want to hear, just so long as they are in control.
There are a lot of liars out there, mostly in control of the media and information.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Its just all a big con, remember the millennium bug and the world was gonna end? well hello didnt happen, the only thing that did was Bill gates got loads more money from it.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Its just all a big con, remember the millennium bug and the world was gonna end? well hello didnt happen, the only thing that did was Bill gates got loads more money from it.

The money men pitchfork money to each other. Amazon "invest" in thousands of electric vehicles to deliver stuff in massive boxes full of packing to people who can't be arsed to walk to the shops and use Bill Gates' software to do it and rack up their credit card bills at the same time.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Its just all a big con, remember the millennium bug and the world was gonna end? well hello didnt happen, the only thing that did was Bill gates got loads more money from it.

It’s not a con at all. It’s a scientifically proven fact. Deniers like you must be ignored because they cannot be taken seriously. This has never been more true:-

The trouble with the world is not that people know too little; it's that they know so many things that just aren't so.​

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The money men pitchfork money to each other. Amazon "invest" in thousands of electric vehicles to deliver stuff in massive boxes full of packing to people who can't be arsed to walk to the shops and use Bill Gates' software to do it and rack up their credit card bills at the same time.

People will find ways to profit from every situation. Some argue that the profit motive is the only effective way of getting anything done.

None of that though alters the fact that climate change is the biggest threat to the generations who follow us. A threat that only we can avert for them.

Our fathers and grandfathers fought for our futures, but some of us seem unwilling to do the same. Including people like Trump and those behind him. Shameful.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

People will find ways to profit from every situation. Some argue that the profit motive is the only effective way of getting anything done.

None of that though alters the fact that climate change is the biggest threat to the generations who follow us. A threat that only we can avert for them.

Our fathers and grandfathers fought for our futures, but some of us seem unwilling to do the same. Including people like Trump and those behind him. Shameful.

Calm down. It's just another existential crisis like nuclear war, famine, over population, etc, it's something we can't affect so what's the point apart from it being an opportunity to gallop around on the customary high horse of moral superiority.
Congratulations on getting Trump in there though.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Drill Baby, Drill.
Money Talks

"6 February 2025
Norwegian energy giant Equinor is halving investment in renewable energy over the next two years while increasing oil and gas production.

Chief executive Anders Opedal said that the transition to lower carbon energy was moving slower than expected, costs had increased, and customers were reluctant to commit to long term contracts.

Mr Opedal told the BBC he was confident that Rosebank - a giant new oil field in the North Sea - would go ahead, despite a recent court ruling that consent had been awarded unlawfully."

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Our fathers and grandfathers fought for our futures, but some of us seem unwilling to do the same.

what, fighting against people like yourself ? i expect we only need wait. The sh1.storm is probably already in the post.
Personally, i would prefer to be in a cabin up the hills when our town centres begin to resemble a scene from August 2011...the London Riots 2.0

 

[Badger11]

Its just all a big con, remember the millennium bug and the world was gonna end? well hello didnt happen, the only thing that did was Bill gates got loads more money from it.

Ouch you struck a nerve there.

I was the Y2K guy for my department in the bank I worked. Y2K was a very real threat. I spent a year with the programmers fixing the problem. It's a credit to thousands of people world wide that it was a damp squid.

Y2K proved that writing code had to be standardised and that legacy systems had to be phased out for newer ones. Most businesses understand today that you have to spend money on IT and supporting IT. Back in the day IT and training were the first things to be cut when profits fell.

It actually did us a huge favour we did not have the budget to improve our technology which was ageing until Y2K. Most companies had legacy systems and some had no IT support because the only people who understood it left years ago. Back in the day coding was like writing a book each coder had their way of doing it which is fine until you have a problem and the original coder has gone.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Calm down. It's just another existential crisis like nuclear war, famine, over population, etc, it's something we can't affect so what's the point apart from it being an opportunity to gallop around on the customary high horse of moral superiority.
Congratulations on getting Trump in there though.

It isn’t though just “another existential crisis”! To dismiss it like that is to totally misunderstand it.

Nuclear war can, and so far, has been averted by idea that mutual annihilation isn’t good for anyone. It can be handled by politicians and the military. Famines happen but so does famine relief. Over population can, with effort, be brought under control and managed.

Ignoring climate change could decimate the world. It might not wipe humanity off the earth but it come close to it. We must not ignore it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

what, fighting against people like yourself ? i expect we only need wait. The sh1.storm is probably already in the post.
Personally, i would prefer to be in a cabin up the hills when our town centres begin to resemble a scene from August 2011...the London Riots 2.0

It’s not people like me that are the enemy. It’s ignorance, selfishness and complacency.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It isn’t though just “another existential crisis”! To dismiss it like that is to totally misunderstand it.

Nuclear war can, and so far, has been averted by idea that mutual annihilation isn’t good for anyone. It can be handled by politicians and the military. Famines happen but so does famine relief. Over population can, with effort, be brought under control and managed.

Ignoring climate change could decimate the world. It might not wipe humanity off the earth but it come close to it. We must not ignore it.

Don't we put our faith in politicians to resolve the issue? That's what they're for according to your lore.

 

[cryrst]

It’s not a con at all. It’s a scientifically proven fact. Deniers like you must be ignored because they cannot be taken seriously. This has never been more true:-

The trouble with the world is not that people know too little; it's that they know so many things that just aren't so.​

Cos ur mate says so I guess !

 

[grumpymort]

This is simply untrue.

Whilst natural cycles clearly exist they occur over very long timescales lasting many centuries. Often thousands of years. During which we also naturally adjust, or at least have always done so historically.

Man made climate change has happened on a much shorter timescale, happening since the Industrial Revolution. It’s no longer a matter of opinion. It’s a scientifically proven fact. Denying it is no better than denying the holocaust.

To suggest the data is made up is an insult to those responsible for producing it. One of whom I knew 25 years ago. She was one of the most impressive people I ever met. Driven by a desire to find the truth and not at all by money. To suggest she would fabricate data is risible. She knew 25 years ago it was real and was devoting her life to trying to understand where, what and when the consequences would be. I know she would be appalled at the ignorance which continues to be displayed.

The planet will obviously survive, but we may not.

The data is made up this is a fact go and learn some science you don't have a scooby. (I remember you was the same person who claimed the covid data as legit which used the same made up epidemiology models)

I am old and even when i was at school they was claiming in decade time ice caps would have completely melted and the ozone hole would be the size of north America.

50+ years have passed lies.

Who cares about us we will destroy ourselves anyway because of multi other reasons.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Don't we put our faith in politicians to resolve the issue? That's what they're for according to your lore.

The responsible ones are trying. Those who care enough about others. Others aren’t. Those who care only about themselves.

It’s why we need worldwide organisations who command the respect of enough to be able to sanction those who refuse to accept their role.

All the time economic pressure to deliver short term fixes sufficient to satisfy the expectations of the greedy is the overriding element in political decision making we are not going to do enough.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The data is made up this is a fact go and learn some science you don't have a scooby. (I remember you was the same person who claimed the covid data as legit which used the same made up epidemiology models)

I am old and even when i was at school they was claiming in decade time ice caps would have completely melted and the ozone hole would be the size of north America.

50+ years have passed lies.

Who cares about us we will destroy ourselves anyway because of multi other reasons.

Hopeless!

There comes a point when the peer reviewed evidence is so overwhelming that theory becomes fact. Man made climate change passed that point decades ago.

Who cares? I do and so do billions of others. Billions of unborn people need us to stop being selfish and think of them.