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The Politics of 'Climate-change'

It’s not what I say!

Most of what needs to be done is via government, not individuals. We can’t change the way electricity is generated. I have done my bit, and will do more. I also argue for, and support, national initiatives and stridently oppose those who try to deny the issue.

It’s just a fact that at 80 my own capacity is necessarily limited.
You could still go out tomorrow and get an electric car. Why add to the problem.
 
They surely have not.

Those ideologically committed to Brexit still believe it was a wise decision and the pain it has caused was worth it, because it’s “our” pain. We have taken back control of our decline.

No. They found something which didn't deliver and moved on.
 
You could still go out tomorrow and get an electric car. Why add to the problem.
Not yet. I don’t ever use finance. If I cannot buy outright I don’t buy. At present I face the possibility of significant expense to rectify a problem at my rental properties. There is also another very heavy cost on the horizon.

I will choose the right time.
 
Not yet. I don’t ever use finance. If I cannot buy outright I don’t buy. At present I face the possibility of significant expense to rectify a problem at my rental properties. There is also another very heavy cost on the horizon.

I will choose the right time.
Sure. The planet can wait until you're ready.
 
No. They found something which didn't deliver and moved on.
I so wish that was true, but it isn’t. They wallow in a hole of self deception which they continually dig deeper. If they were prepared to move on, which in this case must mean back into the embrace and security of the collective strength of the EU, then we really could start to rebuild something. The EU is also weaker without us.
 
Not yet. I don’t ever use finance. If I cannot buy outright I don’t buy. At present I face the possibility of significant expense to rectify a problem at my rental properties. There is also another very heavy cost on the horizon.

I will choose the right time.
So a few hundred or thousand more KG of co2 doesn’t matter because you don’t do finance.
As I said from the start.
It’s all about the money !
 
The planet won’t notice what any individual does, but it will what all 7 billion of us do.

I do something as an individual but I support more being done collectively and that’s where the biggest wins lie.
Come back when you've convinced the other 7 billion.
 
So a few hundred or thousand more KG of co2 doesn’t matter because you don’t do finance.
As I said from the start.
It’s all about the money !
As the car I now drive will continue to be driven by someone else that’s nonsense.

The world gradually switching to electric vehicles is being done but it requires the infrastructure, of raw materials, production and services to accomplish. That takes action at international levels and time.

One individual in this is irrelevant. It’s the bigger picture which matters.
 
So a few hundred or thousand more KG of co2 doesn’t matter because you don’t do finance.
As I said from the start.
It’s all about the money !
Is there anyone who is in the slightest bit interested about another poster's finances ? Anyone?
 
The world gradually switching to electric vehicles is being done but it requires the infrastructure, of raw materials, production and services to accomplish. That takes action at international levels and time.

One individual in this is irrelevant. It’s the bigger picture which matters.
Yes, from the child labour to extract the lithium, the extensive land devastation that mining it causes, right through to the production of the batteries to run them - mainly those very same countries that still have high dependency on fossil fuels for their manufacturing industries. It apparently isn't really doing as much as one may think for 'green' issues.......

 
I have an electric car, a Polestar 2, and very nice it is. Did I buy this to be greener ,
no ( see Becky's post ).

I bought it because the Hong Kong Government paid almost half of the cost because I scrapped an old Toyota Camry. The amount of subsidy was more then ten times the value of the Camry as a used car.

The annual road tax is less than £100 compared to £700. The charging cost is about a tenth of the petrol costs I was paying.

If terms of tech, the new EV's are great, we have no long journeys here, one hour tops.

If the UK wants more EV's , bearing in mind they are not actually very green, they need to dramatically increase the subsidies and get more public charging stations in a hurry.
 
It is nonsense to base any policy on the UK being a strong voice in the world that will influence others.
The US, China, India and others will not do anything because the UK is " taking a lead ". The whole COP junket is a variation of Davos, hundreds fly in on private jets etc, the hypocrisy is unbounded.

If mad Miliband is allowed to actually put any of the madcap policies of net zero into motion, the damage to the economy maybe irreversible.
 
Yes, from the child labour to extract the lithium, the extensive land devastation that mining it causes, right through to the production of the batteries to run them - mainly those very same countries that still have high dependency on fossil fuels for their manufacturing industries. It apparently isn't really doing as much as one may think for 'green' issues.......

Exposing these kinds of abuses, which regrettably have existed since time began, is obviously necessary if we are to try to establish a fairer world.

Not all the cobalt or lithium is extracted with child labour. Here in Cornwall, pretty close to where I live, there is test facility which has drilled over 5000 metres deep to extract geothermal heat and convert it into electricity by recycling water through the site. They found lithium in the water and are now extracting that as well. It offers hope that the once vibrant mining industry here can rise again, but this time offering clean solutions to our problems.
 

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