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The Politics of 'Climate-change'

Wisbech Eagle said:
These are completely separate and unrelated issues.

We aren’t going to reverse the trend to smaller families. Should we even attempt to the consequences would be so unpopular in the short to medium term as to doom it to failure. It would necessitate an increase in immigration until the children reached working age.

Nor are we going to reverse our increased life expectancy.

We can, must and will postpone retirement by some margin, which will be really unpopular but is a necessity, but it won’t bridge the gap.

Nor will automation or AI. Both will help but they can never replace human hands in many circumstances.

The only answer is increased immigration, for which the economic and social imperative is only now beginning to be explained.

Climate change will continue unless we collectively do something about it, However we respond to the fact that those working are shrinking in number, whilst those not are increasing, that’s still going to happen.
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Never going to happen. UK is one of the most diligent countries working towards Net Zero, yet I dont see many in fact virtually no-one with no power consumption in their home. Heating, lighting, fuel etc. etc.
Even the just stop oil brigade will have their central heating on tonight.
Be honest and accept the vast majority will not give up their creature comforts and then move forward.
UK represents less than 1% of the global issue. So we are not relevant in the big picture. Yet we are planning to wreck our economy over it.
 
dreamwaverider said:
Never going to happen. UK is one of the most diligent countries working towards Net Zero, yet I dont see many in fact virtually no-one with no power consumption in their home. Heating, lighting, fuel etc. etc.
Even the just stop oil brigade will have their central heating on tonight.
Be honest and accept the vast majority will not give up their creature comforts and then move forward.
UK represents less than 1% of the global issue. So we are not relevant in the big picture. Yet we are planning to wreck our economy over it.
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Agreed.

this is my point about the 3rd runway at Heathrow. The climate change protestors will point out that it is bad for the environment. I will point out that other airline hubs in Europe and the Middle East are taking our business and expanding theirs with out giving a monkey's about the environment.
 
Exactly, If the UK doesn't do it (expand our air travel capacity) there are plenty of our neighbours that will.
 
dreamwaverider said:
Never going to happen. UK is one of the most diligent countries working towards Net Zero, yet I dont see many in fact virtually no-one with no power consumption in their home. Heating, lighting, fuel etc. etc.
Even the just stop oil brigade will have their central heating on tonight.
Be honest and accept the vast majority will not give up their creature comforts and then move forward.
UK represents less than 1% of the global issue. So we are not relevant in the big picture. Yet we are planning to wreck our economy over it.
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We aren’t though trying to wreck our economy! Along with other responsible nations we are trying to demonstrate ways to manage our economy in a way that ensures future generations have economies to manage. That other nations are not yet doing so will change when the demonstrations yield positive results.

There is no need for anyone to not heat their homes. It’s how we obtain the energy to do so that must change. Not that we don’t need energy. In the past we have used yesterday’s energy. That which was created by the sun 1000s of years ago and stored as coal, oil and gas. Releasing it into today’s world has caused the problem. We now need to use today’s energy, that which falls on our planet every day from the sun and becomes wind and wave, alongside harversting the heat which lies beneath and around us and using technology to create new heat. Nuclear and imitating the sun itself.

It’s all possible. We might be only 1% but that’s no reason not to lead nor to ignore a real crisis.
 
dreamwaverider said:
Never going to happen. UK is one of the most diligent countries working towards Net Zero, yet I dont see many in fact virtually no-one with no power consumption in their home. Heating, lighting, fuel etc. etc.
Even the just stop oil brigade will have their central heating on tonight.
Be honest and accept the vast majority will not give up their creature comforts and then move forward.
UK represents less than 1% of the global issue. So we are not relevant in the big picture. Yet we are planning to wreck our economy over it.
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Agreed, and we should become energy independent by using the oil and gas in our own territory and utilising the profits to deliver sustainable renewable energy across the National Grid. Wearing a hair shirt here is like more self flagellation whilst other nations watch on amused.
 
ASCPFC said:
Agreed, and we should become energy independent by using the oil and gas in our own territory and utilising the profits to deliver sustainable renewable energy across the National Grid. Wearing a hair shirt here is like more self flagellation whilst other nations watch on amused.
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Do you not care for the generations to come? Those yet unborn who you may never see?

Unless we start to roll back the harm we can now see that our own forefathers have done we condemn those who follow us to a very uncertain future.

Our forefathers had the excuse of ignorance. We don’t.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Do you not care for the generations to come? Those yet unborn who you may never see?

Unless we start to roll back the harm we can now see that our own forefathers have done we condemn those who follow us to a very uncertain future.

Our forefathers had the excuse of ignorance. We don’t.
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I've offered a solution that would stop pollution. It would be better for everyone - both now and in the future. I've clearly stated exploit oil and gas as a stop gap - tax them heavily enough (it already is) to pay for renewable energy. Then, once in a proper position of being energy independent, phase out all oil and gas, coal etc. Have enough money in the bank to help industry and benefit society long term. Currently, it's an expensive sticking plaster that does nothing at all except divide people and charge people for no benefit.
 
On a local level, the effects are distinctly noticeable. housing developments built on areas that weren't previously susceptible to flooding.
Why spend money on flood defences, when in most instances it just diverts water from one group of residents to another. ?
coastal erosion, where houses are falling into the sea.

And you could reasonably argue that water levels have always changed over hundreds/thousands of years.
And the same with atmospheric and temperature changes.
The point being, we are seeing these changes happening at an accelerated rate, within our own lifetime.
At the point we are now (outside the usual parameters) it is extremely difficult to predict how things will pan out.
 
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kevlee said:
Climate change is a hoax. Get over it.
It won’t affect any of us anyway. Grandchildren at worst.
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You are making the unpolitically correct assumption that your children are hetrosexual (and not one of the other 5 sexes and non-binaries) and will breed 😀
 
ASCPFC said:
I've offered a solution that would stop pollution. It would be better for everyone - both now and in the future. I've clearly stated exploit oil and gas as a stop gap - tax them heavily enough (it already is) to pay for renewable energy. Then, once in a proper position of being energy independent, phase out all oil and gas, coal etc. Have enough money in the bank to help industry and benefit society long term. Currently, it's an expensive sticking plaster that does nothing at all except divide people and charge people for no benefit.
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That’s not so far away from what is actually being done is it? We are still using oil and gas whilst building up our capacity for renewables. The issue is now demonstrating to others that not only is this essential if we are to have any chance of mitigating climate change but that it is also cost effective. Reducing the cost of solar and increasing the efficiency of wind and wave are making big progress. There are export markets waiting to be exploited if we get this right.
 
kevlee said:
Climate change is a hoax. Get over it.
It won’t affect any of us anyway. Grandchildren at worst.
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It just isn’t. It’s only too real.

“It won’t affect us” is the argument of the irresponsible and selfish.

If you love your kids, and your neighbour, then you do your best for them.

What’s the point of life if you don’t try to leave it with the world just a little bit better because you were here? You cannot take hedonism with you!
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It just isn’t. It’s only too real.

“It won’t affect us” is the argument of the irresponsible and selfish.

If you love your kids, and your neighbour, then you do your best for them.

What’s the point of life if you don’t try to leave it with the world just a little bit better because you were here? You cannot take hedonism with you!
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I feud with my neighbours. It's a hobby of mine, perhaps more of a pastime.
 
kevlee said:
Climate change is a hoax. Get over it.
It won’t affect any of us anyway. Grandchildren at worst.
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No it's not.

What is the hoax is the way they are using it to claim we are the cause etc.

It's natural and we contribute very little to it changing.

All the data they use is made up epidemiology.

The planet will out live us all.

In UK the real issue is should have built nuclear reactors and they didn't so now they are in a place they need them but the cost/time is high. (Govt would rather spend billions on a failed train line this just sums up why country is in such a mess never any proper forward thinking)

Humans will be the downfall we are already heading into a terrible society that you can't even state the truth anymore because it hurts feelings this will end up leading to use all spending our lives stuck in our homes only interacting online. (children are sort of like this now)
 
And the global population expansion is a big driver of all our current issues. The world is eating up resources faster than they can be replaced. Herod had the right idea. We need to start culling children and sterilising those we don't share political beliefs with.
Was that Herod ? or was I thinking of Margaret Thatcher ?
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
And the global population expansion is a big driver of all our current issues. The world is eating up resources faster than they can be replaced. Herod had the right idea. We need to start culling children and sterilising those we don't share political beliefs with.
Was that Herod ? or was I thinking of Margaret Thatcher ?
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Thatcher said that Herod was weak on the Unions.
 
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