The Politics of 'Climate-change'

[PalazioVecchio]

Thatcher said that Herod was weak on the Unions.

even though i admired her, Thatcher was guilty of saying one thing and doing another.

She always spoke of prudent housekeeping & exerting self-control with the spending. Meanwhile she burned through money faster than a footballers wife.

If she were the PM today ? she would tell the EU where they could shove their climate targets.

 

[Ouzo Dan]

Tonga volcano eruption raises ‘imminent’ risk of temporary 1.5C breach - Carbon Brief

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Since it's eruption, the Tonga volcano is the reason for milder weather.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No it's not.

What is the hoax is the way they are using it to claim we are the cause etc.

It's natural and we contribute very little to it changing.

All the data they use is made up epidemiology.

The planet will out live us all.

In UK the real issue is should have built nuclear reactors and they didn't so now they are in a place they need them but the cost/time is high. (Govt would rather spend billions on a failed train line this just sums up why country is in such a mess never any proper forward thinking)

Humans will be the downfall we are already heading into a terrible society that you can't even state the truth anymore because it hurts feelings this will end up leading to use all spending our lives stuck in our homes only interacting online. (children are sort of like this now)

This is simply untrue.

Whilst natural cycles clearly exist they occur over very long timescales lasting many centuries. Often thousands of years. During which we also naturally adjust, or at least have always done so historically.

Man made climate change has happened on a much shorter timescale, happening since the Industrial Revolution. It’s no longer a matter of opinion. It’s a scientifically proven fact. Denying it is no better than denying the holocaust.

To suggest the data is made up is an insult to those responsible for producing it. One of whom I knew 25 years ago. She was one of the most impressive people I ever met. Driven by a desire to find the truth and not at all by money. To suggest she would fabricate data is risible. She knew 25 years ago it was real and was devoting her life to trying to understand where, what and when the consequences would be. I know she would be appalled at the ignorance which continues to be displayed.

The planet will obviously survive, but we may not.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Tonga volcano eruption raises ‘imminent’ risk of temporary 1.5C breach - Carbon Brief

The eruption of Tonga’s underwater volcano in 2022 may cause global temperatures to rise, raising...

www.carbonbrief.org

Since it's eruption, the Tonga volcano is the reason for milder weather.

That’s interesting and has slipped under my radar.

It could well explain the recent spike and ought to serve as a wake up call.

Events dear boy events! All the predictions in the world can be impacted by the unexpected.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

This is simply untrue.

Whilst natural cycles clearly exist they occur over very long timescales lasting many centuries. Often thousands of years. During which we also naturally adjust, or at least have always done so historically.

Man made climate change has happened on a much shorter timescale, happening since the Industrial Revolution. It’s no longer a matter of opinion. It’s a scientifically proven fact. Denying it is no better than denying the holocaust.

To suggest the data is made up is an insult to those responsible for producing it. One of whom I knew 25 years ago. She was one of the most impressive people I ever met. Driven by a desire to find the truth and not at all by money. To suggest she would fabricate data is risible. She knew 25 years ago it was real and was devoting her life to trying to understand where, what and when the consequences would be. I know she would be appalled at the ignorance which continues to be displayed.

The planet will obviously survive, but we may not.

Great. You're still polluting the atmosphere by driving a car aren't you?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

even though i admired her, Thatcher was guilty of saying one thing and doing another.

She always spoke of prudent housekeeping & exerting self-control with the spending. Meanwhile she burned through money faster than a footballers wife.

If she were the PM today ? she would tell the EU where they could shove their climate targets.

No she wouldn’t. I might have disagreed with some of her politics but Thatcher was no idiot. She would be fully on board with the need to tackle climate change and likely to be demanding more action not less. She was never a populist. She was perfectly prepared to do unpopular things if she was convinced they were necessary.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Great. You're still polluting the atmosphere by driving a car aren't you?

Been looking at which electric one I will move to. Right now I drive a fuel efficient petrol car with 100,000 miles on the clock. It won’t be scrapped.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Been looking at which electric one I will move to. Right now I drive a fuel efficient petrol car with 100,000 miles on the clock. It won’t be scrapped.

Sure. So others can make sacrifices but you won't until it suits you. Got it.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No she wouldn’t. I might have disagreed with some of her politics but Thatcher was no idiot. She would be fully on board with the need to tackle climate change and likely to be demanding more action not less. She was never a populist. She was perfectly prepared to do unpopular things if she was convinced they were necessary.

"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level, with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels,"
Sound familiar?

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Been looking at which electric one I will move to. Right now I drive a fuel efficient petrol car with 100,000 miles on the clock. It won’t be scrapped.

Don't bother it's more expensive than a petrol/diesel car, mine is 240 miles on a single charge but what they don't tell you is the batteries run down fast when you have the heating on and nighttime driving is a joke. Fast charge at McDonald's is £60 a go and it takes about 60-70 mins.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level, with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels,"
Sound familiar?

Hat-trick!

Another comment without relevance.

We know Thatcher was ideological opposed to a federal Europe but she was as committed as anyone about the benefit of cooperation when it delivered.

Thatcher was a great believer in subsidiarity.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Don't bother it's more expensive than a petrol/diesel car, mine is 240 miles on a single charge but what they don't tell you is the batteries run down fast when you have the heating on and nighttime driving is a joke. Fast charge at McDonald's is £60 a go and it takes about 60-70 mins.

I won’t be doing much night driving. Will almost always charge at home and avoid McDonalds unless I am desperate.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Hat-trick!

Another comment without relevance.

We know Thatcher was ideological opposed to a federal Europe but she was as committed as anyone about the benefit of cooperation when it delivered.

Thatcher was a great believer in subsidiarity.

Enjoy your new hat.
she was as committed as anyone about the benefit of cooperation when it delivered.
Wow! What commitment. Who wouldn't be? What about when it didn't deliver?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I won’t be doing much night driving. Will almost always charge at home and avoid McDonalds unless I am desperate.

Better hurry up. Think of the children whose future depends on it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Sure. So others can make sacrifices but you won't until it suits you. Got it.

We need to make sensible changes as a society. Electric cars are getting better and more affordable. Deciding when is the best time to make a change will vary. My current car will stay on the road, whether driven by me or someone else.

I moved home a year or two ago into a new build very thermally efficient property which is easier to manage, costs less to run but involved quite a big outlay. You need to choose what works and you can afford.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Better hurry up. Think of the children whose future depends on it.

At 80 my own contribution is going to be inconsequential!

Not so for the whole of society.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We need to make sensible changes as a society. Electric cars are getting better and more affordable. Deciding when is the best time to make a change will vary. My current car will stay on the road, whether driven by me or someone else.

I moved home a year or two ago into a new build very thermally efficient property which is easier to manage, costs less to run but involved quite a big outlay. You need to choose what works and you can afford.

Fine. Those who can't afford it can just carry on as they have been then.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

At 80 my own contribution is going to be inconsequential!

Not so for the whole of society.

All up to others then. That's exactly what most people say.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Enjoy your new hat.
she was as committed as anyone about the benefit of cooperation when it delivered.
Wow! What commitment. Who wouldn't be? What about when it didn't deliver?

She was ideological but also pragmatic. If things didn’t deliver then she learned and moved on.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

All up to others then. That's exactly what most people say.

It’s not what I say!

Most of what needs to be done is via government, not individuals. We can’t change the way electricity is generated. I have done my bit, and will do more. I also argue for, and support, national initiatives and stridently oppose those who try to deny the issue.

It’s just a fact that at 80 my own capacity is necessarily limited.