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Sentences too harsh!

berlinpalace said:
The Ugandan Parliament had passed the Anti-Homosexuality Act in March 2023, criminalizing consensual same-sex conduct with penalties of up to life imprisonment, attempted homosexual acts with penalties of 10 years in prison, and the death penalty for those convicted of “aggravated homosexuality,”
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Uganda just trying to get ahead of the monkey pox outbreak it seems.
 
Penge Eagle said:
What are you on about? The country's monarch is Supreme Governor of the Church of England and the church is intertwined with the state. King Charles is Defender of the Faith - a title that goes back 500 years. Read a history book.
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I know all of that. I am not talking about what is, but what can be. History is a moving object. It's not set in stone.

Charles has spoken of becoming "Defender of the Faiths", rather than just one. I don't see that happening in his reign but in William's? Or even in George's?
 
georgenorman said:
There are a number of Islamic states where homosexuality is included in offences carrying the death penalty (along with being an apostate). Lesser punishments, such as mutilation are available. In the vast majority of Muslim countries, homosexuality is illegal, so a anti-gay agenda is very much representative of that religion and culture rather than being a extreme minority as you claim.
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That some countries are still run as we were in the dark ages is no reason why we should imitate them. We need to lead them.

Modern, successful Islamic countries already take a much more liberal approach to the religion and allow others to practice theirs. Malaysia for instance.
 
berlinpalace said:
The Ugandan Parliament had passed the Anti-Homosexuality Act in March 2023, criminalizing consensual same-sex conduct with penalties of up to life imprisonment, attempted homosexual acts with penalties of 10 years in prison, and the death penalty for those convicted of “aggravated homosexuality,”
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So what, Uganda has been rules by the National Resistance Movement since 1986 and retains power through the manipulation of state resources, intimidation by security forces, and politicized prosecutions of opposition leaders and the legal and illegal harassment of the media and its society in general.

You pick one backward African country while ignoring the massed ranks of Islamic states that attack gay people.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You are categorising all Muslims as though they are devout or even extreme. This is no more true than suggesting all Christians are Roman Catholics or even members of the Westboro Baptists.

We will find it hard to get all fundamentalists to keep their religion private, whatever faith they belong to, but there are already plenty of modern Muslims to lead the way to a more secular future.
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Whatever the percentage of fundamentalists or just badly behaved Muslims who don’t respect women and children and the law of the land, it isn’t worth it. And there are far too many with a warped view of the world that doesn’t belong anywhere, let alone a desert 1,300 years ago. I can’t believe we’re allowing this and encouraging it in. We’re a soft joke to plenty of the world, first world and third world.
 
Spiderman said:
No such thing as 2 Tier Policing ( my arse).
Another attack on a woman going unpunished. Not sure if the ethnicity of the attacker has got anything to do with it.

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Moment male customer smacks Nando's waitress in the face with a plate

The 'savage' and 'unprovoked' assault took place in March at a branch in Stratford, London, with footage of the incident going viral overnight after it was shared on X.
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‘The incident was reported to the Metropolitan Police - but the woman who shared the video was critical of the force's response.

She wrote: 'The police were present at the time, I reported it to them and they let him go without taking his details or checking the CCTV. I filed a complaint against the officers and their supervisor got back to me and essentially said “they’re humans and made a mistake”.'

The Met Police said it was 'aware' of the video footage and said it was investigating why the incident was 'not progressed promptly' by officers.

A spokesman told MailOnline: 'A report of assault was made to police at the time of the incident, however, it appears this was not progressed promptly by officers. We are working to establish why this happened and accept this is not the level of service Londoners should rightfully expect from the Met.’

We’re a joke here.
 
berlinpalace said:
The Ugandan Parliament had passed the Anti-Homosexuality Act in March 2023, criminalizing consensual same-sex conduct with penalties of up to life imprisonment, attempted homosexual acts with penalties of 10 years in prison, and the death penalty for those convicted of “aggravated homosexuality,”
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African Christians often circumcise their babies which I also do not agree with. Many people with third world views and customs clash with those of the West. Uganda is a perfect example you highlighted, so thank you. Wishing gays to be beaten or killed is abhorrent. You think people with third world attitudes like this should be welcomed in the West?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I know all of that. I am not talking about what is, but what can be. History is a moving object. It's not set in stone.

Charles has spoken of becoming "Defender of the Faiths", rather than just one. I don't see that happening in his reign but in William's? Or even in George's?
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You said: "Just because England has an Established Church doesn’t make it a Christian country. It was once, but is no longer."

This is false because it IS "set in stone" as I stated. Charles can say what he likes about other faiths.

You were specifically talking about today and, when challenged, are moving the goal posts speculating "what can be" and "history a moving object"!
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That some countries are still run as we were in the dark ages is no reason why we should imitate them. We need to lead them.

Modern, successful Islamic countries already take a much more liberal approach to the religion and allow others to practice theirs. Malaysia for instance.
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Would you be happy for people with a less liberal attitudes move to the West? Do you think there is any chance it could have consequences?
 
georgenorman said:
So what, Uganda has been rules by the National Resistance Movement since 1986 and retains power through the manipulation of state resources, intimidation by security forces, and politicized prosecutions of opposition leaders and the legal and illegal harassment of the media and its society in general.

You pick one backward African country while ignoring the massed ranks of Islamic states that attack gay people.
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The poster asked for an example and there it was.

‘How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa​

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.​

The second reason the video kindled my interest was that it added to the growing list of instances of mass media being weaponized in Uganda to propagate the “ex-gay” narrative, in which a person claims to have been “lured” and “recruited” into homosexuality. It was also organized by the Family Life Network’s Stephen Langa, who in March 2009 put together a similar seminar called “Exposing the Homosexuals’ Agenda.”
It has deep links to white evangelical Christianity and is an export of a made-in-the-USA movement and ideology that is polarizing African countries and harming and endangering LGBTQ+ people.

While it looked innovative, it was not the first time such a press conference was creatively planned to spark panic and parade out a person claiming to be ex-gay. It was also not peculiar to Uganda; it is a method that was and continues to be used in both puritanical and evangelical Christianity in countries from Ghana to Kenya and Nigeria.
From the days of European colonialism, when sodomy warranted the death penalty, the church has been the face of the anti-LGBTQ+ movement and has deployed language and framing consistent with present-day ex-gay movements.‘

Well funded religious extremism is a danger to civil society wherever you find it.
 
berlinpalace said:
The poster asked for an example and there it was.

‘How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa​

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.​

The second reason the video kindled my interest was that it added to the growing list of instances of mass media being weaponized in Uganda to propagate the “ex-gay” narrative, in which a person claims to have been “lured” and “recruited” into homosexuality. It was also organized by the Family Life Network’s Stephen Langa, who in March 2009 put together a similar seminar called “Exposing the Homosexuals’ Agenda.”
It has deep links to white evangelical Christianity and is an export of a made-in-the-USA movement and ideology that is polarizing African countries and harming and endangering LGBTQ+ people.

While it looked innovative, it was not the first time such a press conference was creatively planned to spark panic and parade out a person claiming to be ex-gay. It was also not peculiar to Uganda; it is a method that was and continues to be used in both puritanical and evangelical Christianity in countries from Ghana to Kenya and Nigeria.
From the days of European colonialism, when sodomy warranted the death penalty, the church has been the face of the anti-LGBTQ+ movement and has deployed language and framing consistent with present-day ex-gay movements.‘

Well funded religious extremism is a danger to civil society wherever you find it.
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Whataboutery.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That some countries are still run as we were in the dark ages is no reason why we should imitate them. We need to lead them.

Modern, successful Islamic countries already take a much more liberal approach to the religion and allow others to practice theirs. Malaysia for instance.
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We should never have got involved with them apart from oil business and should never have invaded in 2003. Jaques Chirac warned Tory Blair it would come to no good knowing their colonial experiences. Leave them to it should’ve been our opinion
 
berlinpalace said:
The poster asked for an example and there it was.

‘How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa​

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.​

The second reason the video kindled my interest was that it added to the growing list of instances of mass media being weaponized in Uganda to propagate the “ex-gay” narrative, in which a person claims to have been “lured” and “recruited” into homosexuality. It was also organized by the Family Life Network’s Stephen Langa, who in March 2009 put together a similar seminar called “Exposing the Homosexuals’ Agenda.”
It has deep links to white evangelical Christianity and is an export of a made-in-the-USA movement and ideology that is polarizing African countries and harming and endangering LGBTQ+ people.

While it looked innovative, it was not the first time such a press conference was creatively planned to spark panic and parade out a person claiming to be ex-gay. It was also not peculiar to Uganda; it is a method that was and continues to be used in both puritanical and evangelical Christianity in countries from Ghana to Kenya and Nigeria.
From the days of European colonialism, when sodomy warranted the death penalty, the church has been the face of the anti-LGBTQ+ movement and has deployed language and framing consistent with present-day ex-gay movements.‘

Well funded religious extremism is a danger to civil society wherever you find it.
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I didn't ask you for any examples.

Again you harp on about one failing, undemocratic, backward African country while practically every Islamic country is virulently anti-gay along with many other 'antis', anti-Jews, anti-democracy, anti-women, anti-West, etc etc.. Meanwhile the far-left support them in all their endeavours.
 
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berlinpalace said:
Some of the anti-homosexual agenda in Africa has been pushed very hard and funded by evangelical Christian groups based in the US. Obviously these groups don’t represent all Christians as extreme Islamists and Jewish settlers don’t represent the majority of their religions. Just because some people are very loud doesn’t make them representative.
Religious extremism of all varieties is dangerous but isn’t representative. Like saying football hooliganism represents football in general.
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Just because some don't want illegal immigration it doesn’t make them a representative of the far right !
 
georgenorman said:
Again you harp on about one failing, undemocratic, backward African country while practically every Islamic country is virulently anti-gay along with many other 'antis', anti-Jews, anti-democracy, anti-women, anti-West, etc etc.. Meanwhile the far-left support them in all their endeavours.
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Maybe we just want to make sure that Christian Nationalists don’t get to force their anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-freedom and anti-democracy agenda on the rest of us. At the moment Uganda is just their playground, trying out different strategies away from the limelight. A lot of social media misinformation going on there. A lot of the strategies used to manipulate elections were tried out there first.
Human rights are a constant struggle, hell, the UK only fully legalised gay sex 20 years ago.
 
berlinpalace said:
Maybe we just want to make sure that Christian Nationalists don’t get to force their anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-freedom and anti-democracy agenda on the rest of us. At the moment Uganda is just their playground, trying out different strategies away from the limelight. A lot of social media misinformation going on there. A lot of the strategies used to manipulate elections were tried out there first.
Human rights are a constant struggle, hell, the UK only fully legalised gay sex 20 years ago.
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Do you accept that practically every Islamic country is virulently anti-gay?
 
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