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Reform

Farage is the only reason Reform is on the map. Ben Habib needs to keep his mouth shut. His whining does nothing for the cause he claims to fight for. Rupert Lowe also clearly does not recognise that Farage is the person that will take Reform forward. He and Habib are now out because they didn't park their egos when Reform were on the rise.
All that matters right now is that Reform continues to gain support from the electorate. The structure of the party can be scrutinised later. These two idiots are trying to jeopadize that because they think they should be in charge. Richard Tice, by contrast, knows the value of the Farage brand.

Well, I would say this.

What is the point of Reform if what it gives you fails us anyway? Am I meant to be voting for Tory boys again....just Thatcherites who hold the ship steady while we continue to be replaced?

I share these concerns.....and it's about half of Reform's base not just Habib and Lowe.

 
Well, I would say this.

What is the point of Reform if what it gives you fails us anyway? Am I meant to be voting for Tory boys again....just Thatcherites who hold the ship steady while we continue to be replaced?

I share these concerns.....and it's about half of Reform's base not just Habib and Lowe.

What is the point of ANY political party if it cannot command enough votes to even have an influence?

I am sure that there are some hard left advocates who are concerned that the Labour Party are back on the centre ground again. Extremes have concerns. They rarely have power.

By the way, we aren’t being replaced. We are expanding and diversifying. Just as we have always done. Only the insecure fear change. The secure embrace, manage and mould it.
 
Well, I would say this.

What is the point of Reform if what it gives you fails us anyway? Am I meant to be voting for Tory boys again....just Thatcherites who hold the ship steady while we continue to be replaced?

I share these concerns.....and it's about half of Reform's base not just Habib and Lowe.


This.

I do not want just another version of the Tory party. I want something new. Something that goes way beyond 'reform'.

Not going to be played the fool any longer.
 
Well, I would say this.

What is the point of Reform if what it gives you fails us anyway? Am I meant to be voting for Tory boys again....just Thatcherites who hold the ship steady while we continue to be replaced?

I share these concerns.....and it's about half of Reform's base not just Habib and Lowe.

Without someone who the electorate will vote for, we will have another round of Tory or Labour.

I'm not sure how far to the right people think this country will go, but I suspect that something somewhere right of the right of the Tory Party is a far as the majority will go.

More importantly, a significant result for Reform at the next election might well involve some cooperation with the Tories. Politics is often about compromises. It's also about personalities. Your Habibs and Lowes don't have street cred'.
Whatever people may think of him, I'll take Farage over the current disaster any day of the week. The alternative is Reform imploding due to egos and an unrealistic agenda, and ultimately heading into an election with a nobody leader.
 
Without someone who the electorate will vote for, we will have another round of Tory or Labour.

I'm not sure how far to the right people think this country will go, but I suspect that something somewhere right of the right of the Tory Party is a far as the majority will go.

More importantly, a significant result for Reform at the next election might well involve some cooperation with the Tories. Politics is often about compromises. It's also about personalities. Your Habibs and Lowes don't have street cred'.
Whatever people may think of him, I'll take Farage over the current disaster any day of the week. The alternative is Reform imploding due to egos and an unrealistic agenda, and ultimately heading into an election with a nobody leader.

Farage's problem is that he essentially wants right wing Tories as Reform MPs......His problem is that the people likely to want to be Reform MPs are much more in the Lowe and Habib vein than the basic Tory boy or blue rinser Tory girl.

Callum formerly of Lotuseasters sums it up well here.

 

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