Reform

[Wisbech Eagle]

I’m amazed you didn’t know as you were on here 5 years before Stirling and I remember his posts about it and I’ve been here for a lot less time. Maybe that selective memory is coming out to play!

Initially I didn’t follow this section. I used the site just for football news. Only after I realised this section had become a right wing echo chamber in which opposing views were shouted down and posters ganged up on for attempted ridicule did I join in.

So I have no idea of the content which resulted in this. If it did happen whilst I was using this section then it passed me by. I have taken sabbaticals on occasions too, when the content got too ridiculous.

 

[ASCPFC]

Initially I didn’t follow this section. I used the site just for football news. Only after I realised this section had become a right wing echo chamber in which opposing views were shouted down and posters ganged up on for attempted ridicule did I join in.

So I have no idea of the content which resulted in this. If it did happen whilst I was using this section then it passed me by. I have taken sabbaticals on occasions too, when the content got too ridiculous.

So many right wing echo chambers. Won't somebody please think of the children.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Time to accept that Farage has just been a containment ploy all along (that admittedly went horribly wrong in 2016).

If you think someone even further to the right than Farage has any prospect of winning the popular vote you are deluded.

I was with someone this week who is convinced Farage will be the next PM.

However when pressed they said they could never vote for him. That’s the problem. Populists are popular but only in the USA can they hijack a party and gain power. Johnson tried it here but our system quickly dumped him. Farage would need to lead the Tories to stand any chance and that’s not going to happen.

 

[kingdowieonthewall]

If you think someone even further to the right than Farage has any prospect of winning the popular vote you are deluded.

I was with someone this week who is convinced Farage will be the next PM.

However when pressed they said they could never vote for him. That’s the problem. Populists are popular but only in the USA can they hijack a party and gain power. Johnson tried it here but our system quickly dumped him. Farage would need to lead the Tories to stand any chance and that’s not going to happen.

A bit like the failed muslim party that was declined so now trade under the long dead ' labour' party?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Time to accept that Farage has just been a containment ploy all along (that admittedly went horribly wrong in 2016).

It's not working very well.

 

[Matov]

It's not working very well.

Depends. Reform has been scoring some great wins, albeit at a local level. Plus polling some serious numbers (and given our FPTP system, even a single percentage point above a certain level represents a potential huge gain in seats).

And now this.

No. To much of a pattern now to this to think of it as just being accidental.

Tories and Reform will merge. Within 18 months. And might even win come the next election. But will not make no real difference. That is the point. Two cheeks, same arse. As it has been now, with the exception of Corbyn in 2017 and then 2019, for probably close on to 30 years.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Depends. Reform has been scoring some great wins, albeit at a local level. Plus polling some serious numbers (and given our FPTP system, even a single percentage point above a certain level represents a potential huge gain in seats).

And now this.

No. To much of a pattern now to this to think of it as just being accidental.

Tories and Reform will merge. Within 18 months. And might even win come the next election. But will not make no real difference. That is the point. Two cheeks, same arse. As it has been now, with the exception of Corbyn in 2017 and then 2019, for probably close on to 30 years.

Any move to the right is welcome. What were you expecting?

Britain is a moderate country. That's a good thing. What we need is some old fashioned conservatism.
The kind that locks up people for real crime, deports illegals and foreign criminals, puts family first, trains British people to do British jobs and slashes immigration.
There will always be difficulty in stopping money from corrupting our politics. It makes the world go round but it also stops politicians from making the right choices.

 

[Matov]

Any move to the right is welcome. What were you expecting?

Britain is a moderate country. That's a good thing. What we need is some old fashioned conservatism.
The kind that locks up people for real crime, deports illegals and foreign criminals, puts family first, trains British people to do British jobs and slashes immigration.
There will always be difficulty in stopping money from corrupting our politics. It makes the world go round but it also stops politicians from making the right choices.

Which would all be great if we ACTUALLY had a Conservative party that does any of this. And we don't. We have a Conservative Party which stood to one side and let crime soar, both illegal and 'legal' migration soar to unprecendented levels and bought in all the legislation that attacks families.

Reform could have been different. But now? Its all an ego trip, at best, for Farage. Or, at worst, the man is a full on containment agent. Now I feel very much the same for the likes of Tommy Robinson.

This is the point. There is no actual Right in our electoral system. And to be fair, there is no actual Left either.

Just the Uniparty. Which Reform are going to be effectively absorbed into.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Which would all be great if we ACTUALLY had a Conservative party that does any of this. And we don't. We have a Conservative Party which stood to one side and let crime soar, both illegal and 'legal' migration soar to unprecendented levels and bought in all the legislation that attacks families.

Reform could have been different. But now? Its all an ego trip, at best, for Farage. Or, at worst, the man is a full on containment agent. Now I feel very much the same for the likes of Tommy Robinson.

This is the point. There is no actual Right in our electoral system. And to be fair, there is no actual Left either.

Just the Uniparty. Which Reform are going to be effectively absorbed into.

The Tories have too many moderates. They might as well be Liberals.

One can only hope that the rise of Reform forces our politics to the right via the ballot box.

More Reform MPs means a louder voice for those that want a reversal of the madness.

 

[DanH]

I for one hope Reform do really well at the locals.

The idea of a load of rampant right wingers who only decided to get into it to deport a load of foreigns having to sit through endless boring meetings on planning applications, potholes and noise complaints from Beryl and Arthur from the bowls club is very enjoyable.

 

[DanH]

Was only a matter of time before they all started eating each other.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898684009560862913

 

[Matov]

Was only a matter of time before they all started eating each other.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898684009560862913

And that predictability of it is what stinks to high heaven. I did not vote for Reform in the elections. I considered it but simply thought it had not earnt my vote and suspected, given what has happened in the past, that this was a possibility.

Rupert Lowe was a man who had started to restore my faith in Reform. Seeing him as perhaps actually representing what Reform was really about.

And yet now this happens?

Farage is containment. Pure and simple.

I get why you are celebrating it. But we ALL have no real electoral choice in this country.

 

[eaglesdare]

Was only a matter of time before they all started eating each other.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898684009560862913

Reform in my opinion took a lot of Tories votes. Part of the reason for the labour landslide. If reform collapse they all go back to the Tories 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just my opinion anyway.

 

[cryrst]

Was only a matter of time before they all started eating each other.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898684009560862913

This seems to be about Lowe being a threat to the leadership. Sad that the two main parties are wankers and now this !

 

[Matov]

Reform in my opinion took a lot of Tories votes. Part of the reason for the labour landslide. If reform collapse they all go back to the Tories 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just my opinion anyway.

Which I suspect is the plan. They will ditch Kemi, replace her with Jenrick. Who will make all the right noises and people go back to them and then....NOTHING changes. Which is the point of the entire sorry, soul wrenching, purpose of the SW1 Deep State.

I keep on repeating 'there is no voting our way out of this' as much for my own benefit as anybody else's because deep down, I still want things to work as they are meant to. But its not happening.

Ironically, the biggest threat now to the status is quo is the Islamic 'Independent' block in Parliament. No real power, per se, but certainly the ability to influence in the future.

With us Righty Whiteys? Literally not allowed any genuine political representation to emerge.

 

[Willo]

Which I suspect is the plan. They will ditch Kemi, replace her with Jenrick. Who will make all the right noises and people go back to them and then....NOTHING changes. Which is the point of the entire sorry, soul wrenching, purpose of the SW1 Deep State.

I keep on repeating 'there is no voting our way out of this' as much for my own benefit as anybody else's because deep down, I still want things to work as they are meant to. But its not happening.

Ironically, the biggest threat now to the status is quo is the Islamic 'Independent' block in Parliament. No real power, per se, but certainly the ability to influence in the future.

With us Righty Whiteys? Literally not allowed any genuine political representation to emerge.

Throwing myself into a political debate which is a rarity :

The latest poll amongst the general membership reveals that Jenrick has held on to over 9 in 10 of his voters from last year. For Badenoch, on the other hand, that number is only just over 6 in 10, with almost a fifth of her supporters switching to Jenrick. More of her voters have also switched either to abstaining (5%) or Don’t Know (12.5 %).

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Throwing myself into a political debate which is a rarity :

The latest poll amongst the general membership reveals that Jenrick has held on to over 9 in 10 of his voters from last year. For Badenoch, on the other hand, that number is only just over 6 in 10, with almost a fifth of her supporters switching to Jenrick. More of her voters have also switched either to abstaining (5%) or Don’t Know (12.5 %).

I must say I was surprised Badenoch won the Tory leadership. She doesn't have the experience, charisma or presence to demonstrate an effective control over the Tory rank and file. Her performances in PMQs have been lamentable.

Willo, you clearly have knowledge of the way the general membership is viewing the current situation and I'm not surprised that Jenrick is winning votes. Badenoch will hang on for a while to avoid the Conservatives losing even more credibility, but unless she is able to show more authority her position looks increasingly vulnerable.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Which would all be great if we ACTUALLY had a Conservative party that does any of this. And we don't. We have a Conservative Party which stood to one side and let crime soar, both illegal and 'legal' migration soar to unprecendented levels and bought in all the legislation that attacks families.

Reform could have been different. But now? Its all an ego trip, at best, for Farage. Or, at worst, the man is a full on containment agent. Now I feel very much the same for the likes of Tommy Robinson.

This is the point. There is no actual Right in our electoral system. And to be fair, there is no actual Left either.

Just the Uniparty. Which Reform are going to be effectively absorbed into.

Whilst you might like it it is abundantly clear that the voters don’t.

As I said here many times to win power in the UK you need to appeal to the middle ground. Extremes of either left or right may have transient appeal but when the chips are down they don’t win.

Farage for all his many unappealing characteristics does at least understand this. Whether he could reinvent himself as a moderate leader of the Tories seems highly improbable to me, but that’s the only way he could possibly become PM.

Rupert Lowe deciding to commit political suicide in the hope of ousting Farage seems a pointless exercise in self aggrandisement. If Farage defects to the Tories he may well lead the Reform rump until 2029 when it will disappear into the abyss that awaits most new parties.

 

[Willo]

I must say I was surprised Badenoch won the Tory leadership. She doesn't have the experience, charisma or presence to demonstrate an effective control over the Tory rank and file. Her performances in PMQs have been lamentable.

Willo, you clearly have knowledge of the way the general membership is viewing the current situation and I'm not surprised that Jenrick is winning votes. Badenoch will hang on for a while to avoid the Conservatives losing even more credibility, but unless she is able to show more authority her position looks increasingly vulnerable.

I can only re-iterate that I did not vote for Kemi Badenoch in the Leadership contest and never considered giving her my support. Robert Jenrick and James Cleverly were my favoured candidates.

Privately I have expressed the view on numerous occasions that Badenoch will not lead the Conservatives into the next election.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

And that predictability of it is what stinks to high heaven. I did not vote for Reform in the elections. I considered it but simply thought it had not earnt my vote and suspected, given what has happened in the past, that this was a possibility.

Rupert Lowe was a man who had started to restore my faith in Reform. Seeing him as perhaps actually representing what Reform was really about.

And yet now this happens?

Farage is containment. Pure and simple.

I get why you are celebrating it. But we ALL have no real electoral choice in this country.

Farage is the only reason Reform is on the map. Ben Habib needs to keep his mouth shut. His whining does nothing for the cause he claims to fight for. Rupert Lowe also clearly does not recognise that Farage is the person that will take Reform forward. He and Habib are now out because they didn't park their egos when Reform were on the rise.
All that matters right now is that Reform continues to gain support from the electorate. The structure of the party can be scrutinised later. These two idiots are trying to jeopadize that because they think they should be in charge. Richard Tice, by contrast, knows the value of the Farage brand.