Newcastle vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[Jimmy Doyle]

Daniel and Ismaila's return can't come soon enough. For me Daniel has been our best player in many games and is so sorely missed. With him back putting accurate passes into the box again I think JP might start finding the net regularly.

 

[taylors lovechild]

I absolutely love Glasner and hope he signs a new deal but he is not without his flaws.

It has become very apparent that the 3-5-2 system does not work without Munoz or a similarly attacking wing back. Mitchell has never been that and Clyne is past it.

Long term the system has proved that it works but, given our injuries, he needs to be more adaptable because at the moment we're basically playing 5 at the back. I feel like until Munoz comes back or we sign Boey, we should be playing 4-3-3 or something instead.

I think the problem is just simply we're knackered and we don't have any subs capable of having much of an impact. If we played 433 then he'd have to train the squad on the new system, but currently they're barely getting half-an-hour on the training pitch. Also, the system has been limiting goals from open play, even during this challenging period. We're also still creating chances, we're just not taking them. Inevitably, we run out of steam around 60/70 minutes, the opposition bring on 3-4 replacements and we slowly sink into the mud (if modern pitches had such a thing). I would say there's a 90% chance that Villa will beat us, but then we need to use the FA Cup game to at least rotate some key players and try and get them some proper rest before we return to a period of playing once a week.

 

[park the bus]

I don't buy this knackered excuse. Apparently there was enough rest time before the Leeds game but they still got thrashed. No Euro competition either for the time being. Football players average 10/12km a game, a lot of that is jogging about, maintaining formation etc. A cyclist in the Tour de France has an average stage length of 150km. A tennis player can play 5 sets in 30 degree plus heat and come back for more a couple of days later. Let's not even mention rugby!
No, it's an excuse for the lack of a squad and a manager not using the resources he does have to the full, thinking that he can play to win in 4 competitions using that self same small squad with the same tactics irrespective of injuries and players out through international commitments.

 

[PatrickA]

If the fringe players in the squad were good enough I'm sure Glasner would use them more.

Before the start of the window ,in my view the squad needed 3 first team ready players capable of playing Premier League football immediately.
We've got one in Johnson and I hope we add two more.
I don't think Uche, Esse and Sosa fit the bill for a Premier League club looking to improve and Clyne clearly is unable to compete at top level on a regular basis anymore.
The more I see of Uche the less impressed I am.
He may have enthusiasm and energy, but he looks like a Sunday league player.
In fact young Drakes Thomas looks far more in tune than Uche with what's required at top level. Assured in possession, not rushed and always in control of the ball.

 

[Willo]

If the fringe players in the squad were good enough I'm sure Glasner would use them more.

Before the start of the window ,in my view the squad needed 3 first team ready players capable of playing Premier League football immediately.
We've got one in Johnson and I hope we add two more.
I don't think Uche, Esse and Sosa fit the bill for a Premier League club looking to improve and Clyne clearly is unable to compete at top level on a regular basis anymore.
The more I see of Uche the less impressed I am.
He may have enthusiasm and energy, but he looks like a Sunday league player.
In fact young Drakes Thomas looks far more in tune than Uche with what's required at top level. Assured in possession, not rushed and always in control of the ball.

Hear Hear.
I garland these comments with approbation.

 

[NMPalace]

Can't fault the effort - just lack of ball control. Even Guehi was misplacing his passes
Our last 3 visits to Newcastle aggregate 0-11 - it's a difficult place to play. Our goal difference has slumped from +9 to -1
Hats off to the intrepid Palace supporters - you deserve medals.

I really think that Mateta needs a rest.
Henderson knocks long balls to him but he gets muscled off them nearly every time. Johnson gave him a good chance which he scuffed. He lacks pace and is an embarrassment while his resale value is plummeting.

I think Pino will be a great player when he settles in and he does try hard even if he is hassled and falls over a lot. Wharton is not at his best but is still our best passer and will have better times ahead.
Canvot played adequately but without Lerma and Richards we have no long-throw options.

If we can get Richards, Sarr, Munoz, Lerma and Kamada back we will be better balanced and should be OK.

Plus a couple more decent imports (or loans) and a long term replacement for Guehi is, or will be, needed.

Criticism of Henderson is very misplaced, he is after all England's No.2

Agree he is a good goalie, but he is not beyond criticism. At set pieces he's frozen to his line and when he does need to claim he panics - the 2nd goal he could have caught at chest height. Instead he merely punched it into a melee of players.

 

[NMPalace]

When did Uche, Devenny and Canvot come on? I don't think it was the last minute.

well 2 of the 3 subs you mention were for injuries, so if your point is they were proactive subs, i would beg to differ

 

[ASCPFC]

Agree he is a good goalie, but he is not beyond criticism. At set pieces he's frozen to his line and when he does need to claim he panics - the 2nd goal he could have caught at chest height. Instead he merely punched it into a melee of players.

Exactly, he played awfully against Leeds too. He needs to come for crosses. I seem to remember that he used to, he seems to have stopped now. He has made mistakes recently as well as great saves. However, the whole team has made mistakes. It's well known that goalies' ones are exacerbated by largely causing a goal. It's just the way it is.

 

[JHB]

I don't buy this knackered excuse. Apparently there was enough rest time before the Leeds game but they still got thrashed. No Euro competition either for the time being. Football players average 10/12km a game, a lot of that is jogging about, maintaining formation etc. A cyclist in the Tour de France has an average stage length of 150km. A tennis player can play 5 sets in 30 degree plus heat and come back for more a couple of days later. Let's not even mention rugby!
No, it's an excuse for the lack of a squad and a manager not using the resources he does have to the full, thinking that he can play to win in 4 competitions using that self same small squad with the same tactics irrespective of injuries and players out through international commitments.

We are fatigued but I agree we can’t simply throw our hands up and say there is nothing we can do. If that’s the case what is the point of paying a manager millions of pounds a year? What we are seeing is the limitations of a small squad but also the limitations of a manager who can’t seem to get results when things are not exactly as he wants them. We saw this at the start of last season and we are seeing it this. Of course we’ve also seen that when things are precisely as he need them he gets his teams playing well abd delivering great results. It is a major limitation in him as a manager though.

 

[Palacesince64]

If the fringe players in the squad were good enough I'm sure Glasner would use them more.

Before the start of the window ,in my view the squad needed 3 first team ready players capable of playing Premier League football immediately.
We've got one in Johnson and I hope we add two more.
I don't think Uche, Esse and Sosa fit the bill for a Premier League club looking to improve and Clyne clearly is unable to compete at top level on a regular basis anymore.
The more I see of Uche the less impressed I am.
He may have enthusiasm and energy, but he looks like a Sunday league player.
In fact young Drakes Thomas looks far more in tune than Uche with what's required at top level. Assured in possession, not rushed and always in control of the ball.

…. and yet apparently not good enough to get a game.

 

[PatrickA]

…. and yet apparently not good enough to get a game.

He's only 16, you would hope that we wouldn't have to be played at this early stage, other than an occasional cameo.
The encouraging thing is that he doesn't look phased , doesn't treat the ball like a hot potato and his second touch doesn't have to be a tackle.

 

[Badger11]

If the fringe players in the squad were good enough I'm sure Glasner would use them more.

Before the start of the window ,in my view the squad needed 3 first team ready players capable of playing Premier League football immediately.
We've got one in Johnson and I hope we add two more.
I don't think Uche, Esse and Sosa fit the bill for a Premier League club looking to improve and Clyne clearly is unable to compete at top level on a regular basis anymore.
The more I see of Uche the less impressed I am.
He may have enthusiasm and energy, but he looks like a Sunday league player.
In fact young Drakes Thomas looks far more in tune than Uche with what's required at top level. Assured in possession, not rushed and always in control of the ball.

Yup I don't like getting down on players but all I have seen so far is a lot of energy and hard work but no real goal threat. I think Palace need to make a decision on him.

 

[park the bus]

Yup I don't like getting down on players but all I have seen so far is a lot of energy and hard work but no real goal threat. I think Palace need to make a decision on him.

That was made long ago, he's only here to make up numbers, there's been absolutely no intention of giving him a proper opportunity, let alone a start. Glasner's flogging of Mateta tells me enough about where Uche fits into the scheme of things.

 

[est1905]

Daniel and Ismaila's return can't come soon enough. For me Daniel has been our best player in many games and is so sorely missed. With him back putting accurate passes into the box again I think JP might start finding the net regularly.

Agree with this completely. Daniel is for me our most dangerous weapon. It is no coincidence we have been toothless since he got injured. Even when Sarr was still in the team we were struggling for goals.
Anyone know when Daniel is due back?

 

[ASCPFC]

Have we scored yet?

 

[Willo]

What the hell has happened to set pieces? From good to god awful.

In terms of Newcastle's opening goal, Hughes is marking Miley in front of him in a central position before the free kick is taken.When the ball is headed out to a Newcastle player, Hughes remains central,Miley moves away to the right anticipating a cross.Hughes points his hand in the direction of Miley alerting his teammates but alas the Newcastle gets to the ball with Johnson in close attendance and delivers it into the middle for Guimaraes to head home.

I don't know our strategy and organisation relating to such defensive situations.

 

[PatrickA]

There’s been much talk of the amount of goals we’ve conceded from set pieces in the last 8 or so games.

I think we shouldn’t lose sight of our failure to score from our own set pieces too in recent weeks.

Earlier in the season we were one of the best teams at scoring from set pieces.
Some of the recent failure will be attributable to the loss of Richards, Sarr and Munoz who are all aggressive in set piece situations.
However, I would argue that our delivery has been found wanting in recent games too with a return to the Hodgson days of chipping the ball to the keeper or not clearing the first man.

 

[JHB]

There’s been much talk of the amount of goals we’ve conceded from set pieces in the last 8 or so games.

I think we shouldn’t lose sight of our failure to score from our own set pieces too in recent weeks.

Earlier in the season we were one of the best teams at scoring from set pieces.
Some of the recent failure will be attributable to the loss of Richards, Sarr and Munoz who are all aggressive in set piece situations.
However, I would argue that our delivery has been found wanting in recent games too with a return to the Hodgson days of chipping the ball to the keeper or not clearing the first man.

The one decent delivery we had in recent games was from a corner against Fulham. We very nearly scored from it but for Guehi inadvertently making a goal line clearance. Of all the things that can’t be excused in a professional footballer poor dead ball delivery must be near the top of the list. It is a skill that they should have and can be improved by practice. I’m not saying I expect everyone to be able to find the top corner from 30 yards like Beckham but they should be capable of delivering a free kick or corner into a dangerous area 9 times out of 10. Our players can’t which is inexcusable

 

[MancunianEagle]

If the fringe players in the squad were good enough I'm sure Glasner would use them more.

Before the start of the window ,in my view the squad needed 3 first team ready players capable of playing Premier League football immediately.
We've got one in Johnson and I hope we add two more.
I don't think Uche, Esse and Sosa fit the bill for a Premier League club looking to improve and Clyne clearly is unable to compete at top level on a regular basis anymore.
The more I see of Uche the less impressed I am.
He may have enthusiasm and energy, but he looks like a Sunday league player.
In fact young Drakes Thomas looks far more in tune than Uche with what's required at top level. Assured in possession, not rushed and always in control of the ball.

I doubt it he ushered out jes who undoubtely shown he has quality just because he didnt fit his heralded system

 

[PatrickA]

I doubt it he ushered out jes who undoubtely shown he has quality just because he didnt fit his heralded system

Jes couldn't even hold down a place at Sheffield United.
There has been little or no Premier League interest in him and if he terminates his current loan in Turkey, his rumoured destination is supposed to be Swansea.
I don't dispute that Glasner is dogmatic in his management approach, but don't see this as the main reason why Jes has failed in his career to date.