Newcastle vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[MancunianEagle]

All my thoughts on Pino had been confirmed at Newcastle the guy is crap. Johnson was poor outside of one action. Im sorry to say it but Glasner will undoubtely flop if he goes to a big club due to his complete tactical inflexibility and his childish behaviour when things arent going his way. Whenever something is awry its never him its always an excuse. The players this, the schedule this, SP this however he can never have the moment of introspection of maybe trying to change this system that is clearly running on fumes without two key cogs. Its of my opinion that he knows its not working but hes so stubborn and egotistical hes going to persist. Im sorry Glasner but you are not going to have a team that has 22 premier quality players on call. Work with what you have.

 

[doombear]

I doubt it he ushered out jes who undoubtely shown he has quality just because he didnt fit his heralded system

Really? You mean the JRS who couldn't hold down a place in Sheffield Utd's Championship team last year? I watched some of his games for them on TV. He often went missing and was subbed off before eventually becoming a bench player who got occasional minutes. He hasn't shown he's ready for the EPL imo and presumably didn't impress Glasner either.

 

[MancunianEagle]

Jes couldn't even hold down a place at Sheffield United.
There has been little or no Premier League interest in him and if he terminates his current loan in Turkey, his rumoured destination is supposed to be Swansea.
I don't dispute that Glasner is dogmatic in his management approach, but don't see this as the main reason why Jes has failed in his career to date.

Coventry are said to be interested due to latest reports

 

[ASCPFC]

All my thoughts on Pino had been confirmed at Newcastle the guy is crap. Johnson was poor outside of one action. Im sorry to say it but Glasner will undoubtely flop if he goes to a big club due to his complete tactical inflexibility and his childish behaviour when things arent going his way. Whenever something is awry its never him its always an excuse. The players this, the schedule this, SP this however he can never have the moment of introspection of maybe trying to change this system that is clearly running on fumes without two key cogs. Its of my opinion that he knows its not working but hes so stubborn and egotistical hes going to persist. Im sorry Glasner but you are not going to have a team that has 22 premier quality players on call. Work with what you have.

You've never seen other managers moan yet get top jobs? There are bigger whiners than Ollie. What was Mourinho's nickname again? Excuses are part and parcel of football management. I suspect it's mainly to do with overpaid players and inflated egos.

 

[doombear]

Coventry are said to be interested due to latest reports

In Rak-Sakyi as well as Esse? That's a new one.

 

[MancunianEagle]

Really? You mean the JRS who couldn't hold down a place in Sheffield Utd's Championship team last year? I watched some of his games for them on TV. He often went missing and was subbed off before eventually becoming a bench player who got occasional minutes. He hasn't shown he's ready for the EPL imo and presumably didn't impress Glasner either.

I beg to differ I thought he looked extremely promising before he sustained a muscle injury then he struggled to get back in starting 11.
Chris Wilder last season was consistently subbing off attacking players around the 60 minute mark due to the pressing intensity of the system not sure why you are using this as an indicement on jes for.

 

[MancunianEagle]

In Rak-Sakyi as well as Esse? That's a new one.

FOOTBALL – Coventry City ‘enquire’ about possibility of signing Jesurun Rak-Sakyi on loan

COVENTRY City have reportedly enquired over taking Crystal Palace winger Jesurun Rak-Sakyi on loan in the January transfer window.

coventryobserver.co.uk

Yeah no way they are getting both so will be interesting who they do pick up

 

[MancunianEagle]

You've never seen other managers moan yet get top jobs? There are bigger whiners than Ollie. What was Mourinho's nickname again? Excuses are part and parcel of football management. I suspect it's mainly to do with overpaid players and inflated egos.

Those with this level of tactical inflexibility crash and burn perfect case in point Ruben Amorim

 

[ASCPFC]

Those with this level of tactical inflexibility crash and burn perfect case in point Ruben Amorim

One thing I'll say is Glasner does change things during games. Particularly when it's not going well. Fair enough, largely the same formation - although he'll throw more up top of we're chasing a game.
He changes things like the positioning, runs, marking and passing style. We go wide and change to narrower quite often. We started wide against Newcastle and gradually got more compact. It didn't work but I also thought our forward and our back line needed to get closer to each other in that particular match.
I found Roy our most frustrating of recent managers, frankly. But I don't particularly blame him. He did enough for us.
I'd think Ollie is genuinely more positively reactive to a situation than many we've had.

 

[JHB]

You've never seen other managers moan yet get top jobs? There are bigger whiners than Ollie. What was Mourinho's nickname again? Excuses are part and parcel of football management. I suspect it's mainly to do with overpaid players and inflated egos.

It’s also self belief. It’s a common trait among high level sports people that they refuse to say they simply aren’t good enough or doing well. If they keep telling themselves they are great, can’perform well and win then they are more likely to. The moment they entertain doubts they are likely to struggle. This leads to all sorts of outlandish excuses, blaming others, refusing to admit mistakes but it works.

 

[PatrickA]

Of the 23 goals we have conceded in the league this season 12 have come from set pieces i.e more than 50%.
We have to stop the rot on this if results are to improve.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

Not concerned at the players you said starting against Macclesfield, it’s when the youngsters rather than first teamers are selected alongside them. We blew it against KUPS and that team would also lose against Macclesfield.

Sure, I did say reserve though rather than youth.

My idea of a line up for that game would be...

GK - Benitez
LWB - Sosa
RWB - Clyne
CB - Canvot
CB - Guehi
CB - Benemar
CM - Devenny
CM - Hughes
AM - Esse
AM - Johnson
FW - Uche

It's a pretty rotten line up overall but surely enough international caps to beat Macclesfield.

Gives Mitchell, Lacroix, Wharton, Pinot and Mateta a rest for ten days. Then, hopefully, by the following weekend we'll have Richards, Sarr, Nketiah, Lerma and Munoz back too and things will look rosier again.

 

[Imp eagle]

I see Adaramola has returned from his loan at League 1 Orient. He played 19 games or so there. I wonder if he is an option for Saturday? If not injured, he would be match-fit and good enough for League 1 should be good enough for Macclesfield?

 

[doombear]

I see Adaramola has returned from his loan at League 1 Orient. He played 19 games or so there. I wonder if he is an option for Saturday? If not injured, he would be match-fit and good enough for League 1 should be good enough for Macclesfield?

He had his debut in a cup game against Hartlepool and started against Stoke in a later round. As I recall, he bombed up and down the left flank as a LB, so yes, no reason why he shouldn't be an option for Macclesfield as a LWB if fit.

 

[NEILLO]

All my thoughts on Pino had been confirmed at Newcastle the guy is crap. Johnson was poor outside of one action. Im sorry to say it but Glasner will undoubtely flop if he goes to a big club due to his complete tactical inflexibility and his childish behaviour when things arent going his way. Whenever something is awry its never him its always an excuse. The players this, the schedule this, SP this however he can never have the moment of introspection of maybe trying to change this system that is clearly running on fumes without two key cogs. Its of my opinion that he knows its not working but hes so stubborn and egotistical hes going to persist. Im sorry Glasner but you are not going to have a team that has 22 premier quality players on call. Work with what you have.

AI generated admittedly but it sums up my perception of Glasner.

"It's my fault" is a phrase frequently used by Crystal Palace manager Oliver Glasner in post-match press conferences and interviews, where he takes responsibility for various team outcomes or decisions.
'' In essence, the phrase is part of Glasner's managerial style, where he publicly accepts blame to either protect his players from criticism or to highlight areas where the club as a whole needs to improve. ''

As for your other points, Pino, a Spanish international, clearly isn't '' crap ''. What he is is being selected every week when in a perfect world there would be an opportunity to rest him. And he doesn't hide or shy away from the challenge. More to come from him when things settle down.

Johnson had one training session with the squad so I'm not sure what you expect. I thought he looked bright in some moments and has the injection of pace that we need.

In terms of your comment re 22 premier quality players on call, no - we are not an Arsenal, Chelsea or Man City. Although two of the managers of those three have recently said their squads need additional players. And their squads have quality as well as quantity.

It was apparent during the summer that Palace would need to seriously invest in improving both. And without rehashing the whys and why nots, I don't think that was done - do you ?

 

[NEILLO]

Those with this level of tactical inflexibility crash and burn perfect case in point Ruben Amorim

That would be the Amorim that had major backing in the transfer market but still couldn't get a consistent tune out of his players as the players didn't fit tactically.

I don't think your comparison is a fair one.

Glasner changed the way Palace played after inheriting a group of players going nowhere under Roy - with the possible exception of down. Once the system had been implemented and once we had a near full strength squad to select from, I would say finishing with a record points total and winning the FA cup demonstrated an ability to get the best out of the players available. Take Mateta's improvement as an example.

We were unbeaten in 19 games at the start of the season. Before injuries and playing in an additional competition predictably took their toll.

Glasner isn't perfect. And if he was a better manager than he is then he wouldn't have ended up at Palace in the first place.