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Wisbech Eagle said:
Read this analysis of Musk’s involvement this morning which is also a dive into why the far right are so fixated on the grooming gang scandal.

I expect it to be totally rejected by many here but for me it’s self evidently accurate in many of its assertions.

The questions then are not whether this is true but what can be done about it?

How can Musk’s amplification of lies be curtailed and how can the far right’s conspiracy theories be corrected?

This is a really important issue which has been created by the dominance of social media in the way people get their information today.

We criticise China and the way it controls what its people can read and say but at least the spread of misinformation of the kind now coming from Musk cannot happen there.

Effective regulation has never been more urgently needed. The European nations need to find a way to jointly control this.

www.opendemocracy.net

What Musk’s grooming gangs posts tell us about the far right

Why has the American billionaire become fixated on historic child sex abuse in English towns?
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net
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That's fine. How do you feel about your posts criticising Musk and Trump being censored?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
That's fine. How do you feel about your posts criticising Musk and Trump being censored?
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They wouldn’t be.

Nor would any post just expressing an opinion.

It’s only demonstrable lies and misinformation from sources whose motivations are determined to be against the public interest that need to be effectively moderated.

The social media companies have attempted to do that but rather than improve the way they are doing it they are withdrawing from it. What results is a cess pit of lies.

If they refuse to do it then we must do it for them. By we I mean via the representatives we ask to do things for us.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They wouldn’t be.

Nor would any post just expressing an opinion.

It’s only demonstrable lies and misinformation from sources whose motivations are determined to be against the public interest that need to be effectively moderated.

The social media companies have attempted to do that but rather than improve the way they are doing it they are withdrawing from it. What results is a cess pit of lies.

If they refuse to do it then we must do it for them. By we I mean via the representatives we ask to do things for us.
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You're very sure. Posts criticising anybody would be liable to the same censure. Unless, of course, you just want to ban those with a different opinion.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
a society suffers gang-rapes around the time of having lost a War.

Nanjing, China 1937.
Eastern Germany in 1945....Josef Stalin's rape gangs.

Spanish Civil War, 1936.
The Yamnaya 6,000 years ago.




So what War did the UK lose ? was it a culture-war ? or an economic war ? or other ? the financial markets perhaps ?
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We lost World War 2.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
You're very sure. Posts criticising anybody would be liable to the same censure. Unless, of course, you just want to ban those with a different opinion.
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Fair and objective criticism is always welcome. It enables an opinion to be tested and verified.

What isn’t are the kind of things that Musk has been doing recently. They are recycled lies and conspiracy theories which are being spread for destructive purposes. There is clearly no intention to make a contribution to a reasoned debate which leads to better understanding and outcomes. They are full of hatred and bereft of love. There is no sense of any desire for justice. Just a desire for revenge.

Such activity, wherever it arises, needs to be moderated out of every social media platform.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Musk Derangement Syndrome?

www.spiked-online.com

No, Elon Musk is not an ‘extremist’ threat to the UK

Why have the salty tweets of an erratic billionaire sent the Labour government into meltdown?
www.spiked-online.com www.spiked-online.com
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What a surprise! Spiked defends Musk! Their political positions are hardly very far apart are they?

Musk as an individual is no more important than any of the far right apologists who post here.

His importance arises from his wealth and his willingness to use it to amplify opinions he approves of via the social media platform he has bought. He is using X as way to spread his personal propaganda in a way not available to any other individual.

Ought this to be allowed? Finding out the reach and the impact therefore makes the Home Office research entirely appropriate.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
What a surprise! Spiked defends Musk! Their political positions are hardly very far apart are they?

Musk as an individual is no more important than any of the far right apologists who post here.

His importance arises from his wealth and his willingness to use it to amplify opinions he approves of via the social media platform he has bought. He is using X as way to spread his personal propaganda in a way not available to any other individual.

Ought this to be allowed? Finding out the reach and the impact therefore makes the Home Office research entirely appropriate.
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Good luck stopping him when he owns the platform and is by far the most followed poster on it with 210 m people.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Good luck stopping him when he owns the platform and is by far the most followed poster on it with 210 m people.
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You identify the problem.

How to stop him isn’t my area but if China can stop X being available then so can we, along with the rest of Europe.

That would, of course, be an extreme solution but his content is now supporting extreme positions so could become necessary.

We need our own alternative, properly moderated, if Musk continues in this way. We cannot influence what is acceptable in the USA, but we can control it here.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You identify the problem.

How to stop him isn’t my area but if China can stop X being available then so can we, along with the rest of Europe.

That would, of course, be an extreme solution but his content is now supporting extreme positions so could become necessary.

We need our own alternative, properly moderated, if Musk continues in this way. We cannot influence what is acceptable in the USA, but we can control it here.
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You mean China who run TikTok!
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You identify the problem.

How to stop him isn’t my area but if China can stop X being available then so can we, along with the rest of Europe.

That would, of course, be an extreme solution but his content is now supporting extreme positions so could become necessary.

We need our own alternative, properly moderated, if Musk continues in this way. We cannot influence what is acceptable in the USA, but we can control it here.
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As ever the problem is in who decides what is and isn't an extreme position. Anyone attacking Trump would have to be pretty far out there to even raise an eyebrow.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Fair and objective criticism is always welcome. It enables an opinion to be tested and verified.

What isn’t are the kind of things that Musk has been doing recently. They are recycled lies and conspiracy theories which are being spread for destructive purposes. There is clearly no intention to make a contribution to a reasoned debate which leads to better understanding and outcomes. They are full of hatred and bereft of love. There is no sense of any desire for justice. Just a desire for revenge.

Such activity, wherever it arises, needs to be moderated out of every social media platform.
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So his posts on x are conspiracy theories which you are now using a conspiracy theory to try to disprove as you assume they are lies. Nice !
 
Matov said:
We lost World War 2.
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In terms of the longer term outcomes for Europe, certainly.

Communism won once the silent generation died off 60s/70s/80s.

It's all been downhill from there.

The boomers believed all that 'love is love' and 'equality' stuff and voted for it.....when essentially it was just nice feminised warm words for normies unaware that the underlying social ideology was designed to destroy the nation and the family.

They passed it onto their children and here we are.....we are a minority in our own capital city and unlike the men of the silent generation...who wouldn't have stood for it..... we allowed our working class girls to be mass raped by foreign gangs.....All those who did stand up were demonised and lied about and the majority still go along with that today, because they want a quiet life.

We jail those speaking mean words about migrants to months in jail but the guy who tried to burn the flag on the Cenotaph goes free.

That's what the descendants of this once great country became.
 
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Teddy Eagle said:
As ever the problem is in who decides what is and isn't an extreme position. Anyone attacking Trump would have to be pretty far out there to even raise an eyebrow.
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It really isn’t so difficult. It is only positioned so by those who hold extreme positions.

Determining ways of setting the standards and drawing the lines is the responsibility of Parliament. Whose membership changes so they can redraw the lines.

We choose our Parliament. So we set the standards.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It really isn’t so difficult. It is only positioned so by those who hold extreme positions.

Determining ways of setting the standards and drawing the lines is the responsibility of Parliament. Whose membership changes so they can redraw the lines.

We choose our Parliament. So we set the standards.
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Should this censorship extend to posts on football sites?
 
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