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Stirlingsays said:
You don't like dictators?

I didn't hear you complaining when some guy got sent to jail for 20 months for a Facebook post the government doesn't like.
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Ridiculous!

Those sent to jail were sent there by Judges for inciting violence.

Nothing to do with what the government doesn’t like.

It’s what we don’t allow. It’s called acting illegally.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Poll from 'Good Morning' that....whatever the chorus of the establish are saying about Musk.....the public, at least here, demonstrate that he shouldn't butt out of having his say on what happens here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875486469525242023

I agree, he's having a real effect on the horrors that our establishment have covered up and ignored for decades.
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That polling needs further investigation. I don’t believe it. It’s totally counterintuitive and doesn’t match anything I have heard. Other than here of course.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Again, you didn't condemn it.

As for me, I said 'benevolent ' I didn't speak to actions the CIA do.

We support dictators all around the world who do that same thing.
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Squirming out of it. A disingenuous wordsmith.

I certainly do not support dictators around the world, even if the UK government do.
 
Stirlingsays said:
That's my point.

So don't come at me holding your nose up about dictators when.....not only does the state do plenty of underhand stuff, but works and supports dictators all over the world. You only appear to be morally offended when the suggestion that one might touch your own world....even a benevolent one.

We all were just locked up for two sodding years because a bunch of bedwetters decided it had to happen.

Hell, our intelligence directed media have been calling IS (and it's obvious where their funding comes from) 'rebels' all of a sudden in Syria. These bastards murdered thousands of our lads....the military, the most loyal within society....and continue to plot to murder on our streets today.

Fecking 'Rebels'.
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Oh, I see. You're going to call me out for not supporting dictators. It's me that's the problem.

You take the biscuit with your 'pragmatic' support of dictators.

No doubt your quasi-catholic squeaky-clean self reminds me of the stance of the Catholic church in Chile, supporting Pinochet and his torture squads. It was right they said, to torture because the people they are torturing are enemies of the state. So they blessed the torturers.

Well, to the 'pragmatist', all this is ok and anyone who agues against it is an enemy of the state themselves.

For all your pragmatism, I'd never learn to be in cohoots with the likes of what you propose. Spiritually bereft.

Awful.
 
Musk: has previously come across during interviews as a hard-nosed, but not unreasonable businessman.
That may, or may not be the case. However, those who tend to seek power tend to have very selfish motives and are not out for "the greater good". Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.
At the lower end, take a look at our own politicians who for years fleeced Government coffers for unregulated 'expenses'. And there are better examples of corruption across all the governments of the globe.
And alongside political influence/lobbying for cash you can just join the dots to ultimately see how people with money control everything.
 
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America has a history of rich and powerful people trying to dominate politics from Andrew Carnegie to J P Morgan and the Getty family etc.

Musk has just joined the queue, the only difference is that he is more vocal and visible, they tended to do stuff in smokey backroom deals and the public didn't know the fix was in.

Either way it's nothing good for the public as they are motivated by self interest.
 
The Times today has an interesting analysis of what makes Musk tic apparently rooted on his upbringing in South Africa and his estrangement from his father.
 
And still Musk carry's on with the Starmer attacks. If anything, stepping up the pressure. This is starting to make less and less sense. Musk has no significant UK holdings (or what I know of - happy to be corrected) so I am struggling to understand any kind of rationale behind it?

Still holding firm to my belief that Musk is merely the attack dog of choice and that the people pulling the strings might be a lot closer to home but what does Musk get out of it? Because there must be an advantage to him somewhere down the line and I just don't see what it is.
 
Matov said:
And still Musk carry's on with the Starmer attacks. If anything, stepping up the pressure. This is starting to make less and less sense. Musk has no significant UK holdings (or what I know of - happy to be corrected) so I am struggling to understand any kind of rationale behind it?

Still holding firm to my belief that Musk is merely the attack dog of choice and that the people pulling the strings might be a lot closer to home but what does Musk get out of it? Because there must be an advantage to him somewhere down the line and I just don't see what it is.
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Or someone worth $400 bn doesn't need any more advantages.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Or someone worth $400 bn doesn't need any more advantages.
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OK. Lets come at this from another angle. Labour are barely at the 6 month mark of a 5 year term in Government. With a MASSIVE majority. They ain't going anywhere.

So why Starmer? What is he holding up? Or seen as being the problem around? And how does that impact Musk? Probably think far to much about this stuff but politics always has a rationale around it, even if it seems chaotic. Musk has no history with Starmer, as far as I know, and yet he goes out of his way to name-check him all the time.

And all in the run-up to this Southport trial. Some real 4D chess shenanigans going on around this. Because I see so upsides for Musk on any kind of visible level as things stand.

Plus even if you take my tin-foil hat assumption about Mandleson being behind it all in some SW1 Deep State plot to get West Streeting into number 10, then Musk must be getting a pay-off somewhere down the line. But I just cannot see any UK angle to that.
 
Matov said:
And still Musk carry's on with the Starmer attacks. If anything, stepping up the pressure. This is starting to make less and less sense. Musk has no significant UK holdings (or what I know of - happy to be corrected) so I am struggling to understand any kind of rationale behind it?

Still holding firm to my belief that Musk is merely the attack dog of choice and that the people pulling the strings might be a lot closer to home but what does Musk get out of it? Because there must be an advantage to him somewhere down the line and I just don't see what it is.
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The border between genius and insanity being short has never been clearer than in the case of Musk. It seems to me he flipped over the edge when his daughter decided to transition, something he has never accepted and blames others for. Now it seems he is doing things to disrupt any he regards as progressive in any way at all, just because he can.

Trump is using him. It helps having someone even more bizarre than he is in the spotlight at this time. How long that will last who knows but I don’t expect the bromance to last for long.
 
Read this analysis of Musk’s involvement this morning which is also a dive into why the far right are so fixated on the grooming gang scandal.

I expect it to be totally rejected by many here but for me it’s self evidently accurate in many of its assertions.

The questions then are not whether this is true but what can be done about it?

How can Musk’s amplification of lies be curtailed and how can the far right’s conspiracy theories be corrected?

This is a really important issue which has been created by the dominance of social media in the way people get their information today.

We criticise China and the way it controls what its people can read and say but at least the spread of misinformation of the kind now coming from Musk cannot happen there.

Effective regulation has never been more urgently needed. The European nations need to find a way to jointly control this.

www.opendemocracy.net

What Musk’s grooming gangs posts tell us about the far right

Why has the American billionaire become fixated on historic child sex abuse in English towns?
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net
 
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