Is Glasner the problem?

[ASCPFC]

Munoz must be knackered, the energy he puts into games. He went straight from the copa America final to two weeks holiday with his mrs then back at it with us pre season
He’s not the only player who looks a bit jaded

I realise but it's up to us to manage him. I also don't see how a holiday is tiring. We need him to be club first, country second. A little reminder of who pays his wages. I wouldn't be releasing him unless we have to.
At the very least, rest him for a few days to get his mojo back. I'd be dropping him on recent performances. However, it's impossible to drop the whole team.

 

[eagleman13]

I realise but it's up to us to manage him. I also don't see how a holiday is tiring. We need him to be club first, country second. A little reminder of who pays his wages. I wouldn't be releasing him unless we have to.
At the very least, rest him for a few days to get his mojo back. I'd be dropping him on recent performances. However, it's impossible to drop the whole team.

I see what you're saying AS, but, Countries have a lot more power than you think. They can insist a player is released to them for assessment, Fergie used to pull his English players a lot, saying they were 'injured', now the player has to join up with his national team & they will decide if he is or not.

 

[NEILLO]

I realise but it's up to us to manage him. I also don't see how a holiday is tiring. We need him to be club first, country second. A little reminder of who pays his wages. I wouldn't be releasing him unless we have to.
At the very least, rest him for a few days to get his mojo back. I'd be dropping him on recent performances. However, it's impossible to drop the whole team.

The club are obliged to release players for Internationals unless the player in question is injured.

 

[ASCPFC]

The club are obliged to release players for Internationals unless the player in question is injured.

Not actually fully true. Some internationals - not all.

 

[NEILLO]

Not actually fully true. Some internationals - not all.

Annexe 1 of the 'Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players' lays out 11 principles for managing the issue of national team call-ups.

Principle 1.1. says: "Clubs are obliged to release their registered players to the representative teams of the country for which the player is eligible to play on the basis of his nationality if they are called up by the association concerned. Any agreement between a player and a club to the contrary is prohibited."

It is not compulsory, however, for clubs to release players outside of specified international windows and clubs do not have to release players for more than one major senior international tournament in a year.

I think the only case for preventing a player reporting for international duty would be if it was a Friendly.

 

[ASCPFC]

Annexe 1 of the 'Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players' lays out 11 principles for managing the issue of national team call-ups.

Principle 1.1. says: "Clubs are obliged to release their registered players to the representative teams of the country for which the player is eligible to play on the basis of his nationality if they are called up by the association concerned. Any agreement between a player and a club to the contrary is prohibited."

It is not compulsory, however, for clubs to release players outside of specified international windows and clubs do not have to release players for more than one major senior international tournament in a year.

I think the only case for preventing a player reporting for international duty would be if it was a Friendly.

There are a few exemptions there - not just friendlies. The International League was one wasn't it? I seem to remember clubs withdrawing several players. As I said, unless we have to, I wouldn't be too keen on releasing clearly tired players. Or I'd ask them to have a limit on game time. Thanks for the rules - a bit hard to fully interpret but interesting. At the very least, the manager can talk to the player.

 

[Rainforest]

Glasner likes to play a high press attack system which seemed to start working last season after a couple of losses and draws. The Roy players got adjusted to the system fairly quickly. The presence of Olise did make a difference.

To start this season, we let go a couple of our experienced players too soon and brought in new players as replacements who either don’t have or lacked experience of EPL football or not used to Glasner's high press attack system. They also don’t have sufficient preseason training and time to gel due to internationals and/or late acquisitions.

Had we kept all of last season’s players and just got one or two replacements for Olise it could be a different story. We still have time and hopefully we would get better after another two games. One thing for sure, Kamada should only start from the bench or, failing that, let him get experience with the U21.

 

[NEILLO]

There are a few exemptions there - not just friendlies. The International League was one wasn't it? I seem to remember clubs withdrawing several players. As I said, unless we have to, I wouldn't be too keen on releasing clearly tired players. Or I'd ask them to have a limit on game time. Thanks for the rules - a bit hard to fully interpret but interesting. At the very least, the manager can talk to the player.

While managers and players alike complain about there being too much football, the governing bodies persist with adding to the workload with rubbish like the International League and Nations Cup.

I admit I'm biased because in general international football holds little interest for me.

In respect of Munoz and Lerma, even though they travel in comfort compared to the majority of the travelling public, it's quite a journey to Colombia - a trip I've made several times as I have family out there.

 

[Dubai Eagle]

While managers and players alike complain about there being too much football,

In respect of Munoz and Lerma, even though they travel in comfort compared to the majority of the travelling public, it's quite a journey to Colombia - a trip I've made several times as I have family out there.

And when they turn out for Columbia they both seem to play a full 90 minutes every game, no wonder they are cream crackered when they get back

 

[JHB]

The worry for me is that our performances are, if anything, getting worse. Arguably our best 90 mins was in the opener against Brentford and that wasn’t great. I get the talk of fatigue, players bedding in etc but in that case you’d expect to see improvements. So far it’s difficult to see any. I hope it comes good but if we don’t see better performances in the next 3-4 games we have to conclude it is a manager issue and act accordingly

 

[ASCPFC]

While managers and players alike complain about there being too much football, the governing bodies persist with adding to the workload with rubbish like the International League and Nations Cup.

I admit I'm biased because in general international football holds little interest for me.

In respect of Munoz and Lerma, even though they travel in comfort compared to the majority of the travelling public, it's quite a journey to Colombia - a trip I've made several times as I have family out there.

True, the governing bodies are pathetic, corrupt and greedy.

I suppose I'm thinking it's time for us to get more professional and more tough, "sorry fellas, you're not released for that international friendly, we've got the Premier League to prioritise". We seem to think it's great having internationals. I get annoyed with it. I'm with you - Palace come first over internationals.

In my opinion, it's done Eze, Wharton, Henderson and Guehi no favours in their performances for us either.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

I realise but it's up to us to manage him. I also don't see how a holiday is tiring. We need him to be club first, country second. A little reminder of who pays his wages. I wouldn't be releasing him unless we have to.
At the very least, rest him for a few days to get his mojo back. I'd be dropping him on recent performances. However, it's impossible to drop the whole team.

A holiday is not tiring I know, but he only had that 2 weeks off. That’s hardly a close season. Some players may cope with it, but the energy and high intensity that Munoz plays at it’s bound to catch up with him at some stage, but yes maybe we could manage him a little better, trouble is we desperately need him on the pitch
If you think any club is going to go down that road of stopping players playing in major tournaments for their countries, especially passionate South Americans, you’re beating an impossible drum their mate, it’s not going to happen.

 

[ASCPFC]

A holiday is not tiring I know, but he only had that 2 weeks off. That’s hardly a close season. Some players may cope with it, but the energy and high intensity that Munoz plays at it’s bound to catch up with him at some stage.
If you think any club is going to go down that road of stopping players playing in major tournaments for their countries, especially passionate South Americans, you’re beating an impossible drum their mate, it’s not going to happen.

That's not quite true though is it. There are plenty of sides that make it clear that it's club over internationals. And, funnily enough, they tend to be the winning clubs.
We can't stop them playing in major tournaments but I wouldn't be releasing anytime other than when we have to. I would also try to limit /manage their game time.
I was f***ing furious when I heard that Munoz and Lerma played the full 90 of the previous Columbia matches. Lerma was just back from injury. If I were Glasner I'd be doing my best to find a balance here. I don't quite think it's off you go, have a good time, do what you like, enjoy yourself.

 

[NMPalace]

OG managed to gets results and performances last season above what i thought that group of players were capable of so he deserves respect and time.
Players like Hughes and Clyne performed well above expectations and the manager must be given much credit for this.
Also the 343 (or 3421) formation whilst not my preference seemed to work.
He also had a bit of luck, as all managers/teams need - getting Olise and Eze fit together was a big plus (and something Roy rarely had) and JPM was on fire.
I am surprised some are calling for a change. Not many managers have won a major European competition so he clearly is good at his job.

Clearly this season has been so disappointing. Personally i was slightly concerned as so many of our players were away on international duty and for extended periods. You can see some such as JPM and Munoz have been overplayed.
Additionally the loss of Olise would be big - not only as he was so good but he was perfect or the formation. Having said that he was rested for Newcastle and the team still put in a great performance, so there was some optimism we could cope.

Whilst OG seems stubbornly sticking to the same formation my biggest issue is the slow build up and the poor passing. The 1st half v Man U was totally unacceptable, the players looked afraid and unable to do the basics.
Then there is the team selection.
Eddie N was bought for big money and big wages. Supposedly we did our home work on him! He either needs to play upfront or not at all. Also why on Sat did we move to a 442 at the point of subbing him? Surely move him and put Sarr on the right. Instead we had both Sarr and Schlupp playing out of position and both were ineffective.
Then there is Kamada. There may be a decent player in there, but is is clearly not in a 2 man CM.
How many times does he need to demonstrate this? QPR in the cup should have been the last.
As he adjusts to the English game an impact sub is clearly his best 'position'.

There are also concerns at the back. Andersen was good but is replaceable. Lacriox look better on Sat and i think will do ok. MG as the centre of the 3 does not work for me. He can play either left or right and is reasonably fast do can help out with the counter attacks down the wings, where we look very vulnerable.

We also look very poor at set pieces - both attacking and defending. Man U first half was a joke - we looked clueless. This should be a basic.

So going forward we need to tweak the starting line up and play people in the right position. We need to play at a higher tempo and get the ball to the striker(s) with him facing the goal.
Even though we are not playing well the games have fine margins.
Brentford we scored a great goal (wrongly disallowed), we also had a marginal and avoidable offside at 1-1 and Hendo should have done better with the winner. On Sat we had a stonewall penalty at 1-0 bizarrely not given.

OG now needs to show us what a good manager he is. He did it last season after a rocky start, and needs to do it again. Let's keep the faith

 

[eagleman13]

Think clickbait have been reading this topic, they agree about Kamada . . . https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport...r-extends-crystal-palaces-winless-start-five/

 

[palace chick]

I’m not going with Glasner being a late starter or players being away for internationals. We are 3rd from bottom and all the other prem sides have new players and similar stories they have to work with. It doesn’t cut with me. Players out of form, balance of team due to players playing out of position is all down to Glasner picking our starting 11. What makes it even worse is that he doesn’t see it not working and especially centre of midfield with Kamada and then our forward on the right picked continuously out of position? Is it just to play them, whatever?I hope he now sees it and puts it right. I have huge doubts in him which I certainly didn’t have on his arrival. We would in my opinion have more points on the board if he had put out different balanced teams for these first 6 matches and made better substitutions? Let’s hope we get it right soon otherwise he will have to go :-(

 

[PatrickA]

Think clickbait have been reading this topic, they agree about Kamada . . . https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport...r-extends-crystal-palaces-winless-start-five/

Interesting read and also the stat that we are fourth lowest in the league for creating decent chances.
I suppose we are playing 20 yards deeper,not pressing like last season and we are playing slower and being wasteful in delivery.
Thus perhaps it's not surprising that we aren't creating much.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

The Manager/Head coach job is to get the most out of the players at his disposal , at least 4 players out of position against Everton, Vieira was a formation man, two 8s, a 6, never worked and couldn't change tactics, obviously, i don't think, anyone wants Glasner out, he has used 4-2-3-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-2-2-2, Diamond, 4-4-2, 4,4,1,1, 3,5,2, 3,4,1,2 in the past, so has been adaptable, he has probably got too Christmas to improve, if he wanted to play the same, we needed a left footed attacking player, but we got a CF, Right footed winger, 3 CDs, and a Kamada!, although most are good players they don't fit with what we had last year, the jury is out.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

The Manager/Head coach job is to get the most out of the players at his disposal , at least 4 players out of position against Everton, Vieira was a formation man, two 8s, a 6, never worked and couldn't change tactics, obviously, i don't think, anyone wants Glasner out, he has used 4-2-3-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-2-2-2, Diamond, 4-4-2, 4,4,1,1, 3,5,2, 3,4,1,2 in the past, so has been adaptable, he has probably got too Christmas to improve, if he wanted to play the same, we needed a left footed attacking player, but we got a CF, Right footed winger, 3 CDs, and a Kamada!, although most are good players they don't fit with what we had last year, the jury is out.

I dont want glasner out yet but he does need to get his finger out

 

[Den1923]

Everything is wrong with the team at present, we make a lot of passes but the majority of these are sideway or backwards. We are much too slow in getting the ball forward and this allows the opposition to press us and as a consequence we do not run in to spaces and then passing mistakes happen. We need to play at a much higher tempo and midfield needs to sort itself out as at the moment they seem to get in each other's way. We need to play a wider attack, instead of trying to play through the congested middle and we need to sort out the strikers as they also seem to be chasing the same ball, we need more touches in the oppositions box and more forwards creating spaces in the oppositions penalty area. The defence very much needs to work on defending the far post when high balls come in to our box and they also need to improve their long range passing. Ollie as Manager needs to be more adaptable to different tactics, currently he has been found out and if he can't be more flexible with his tactics and selections then Im afraid the future is not looking great.