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Is Glasner the problem?

Davepalace707 said:
Look at Ipswich - their squad is on paper no match for ours BUT they’ve got enthusiasm, they were organised and they all went for it for 90 minutes. All of which we didn’t have yesterday. Feels to me like the 12 year run is becoming a millstone. We haven’t progressed with the ground, relative to the league our squad isn’t much better. It’s all a bit stale.
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We must have the same telepathy 😂
 
1969eagle said:
Glasner is intelligent n articulate. A leader. With a great track record. I am excited to have him at palace. He will sort this. Talk of anyone wanting him to leave is ridiculously premature.
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I guess it depends on your definition of a “great track record”. His contract with his previous club was terminated 12 months early because of terrible results and he was then unemployed for 12 months.
 
Glasner was a hot managerial property just a few weeks ago.
Bayern Munich were in for him before they eventually got Kompany, and some fans suggested the club would better served tying him down to a long term contract rather than focusing on new contracts for our better players.
He was seen as that key to our immediate future.

This gave him a lot of power and sway in the summer and I wonder if the club has perhaps overdone this.
I doubt Kamada and Lacroix were on the club’s scouting or Freedman’s radar before,but Glasner wanted them and was instrumental in them joining.
They may well be good players, but it remains to be seen if they will be good players for Palace.
But more than this it leads to strange selections where e.g Kamada is played where Freedman’s signings (Sarr, Lerma, Hughes ) would seem to be a more natural selection for the given position.
In some ways it’s reminiscent of DeBoer insisting on signing Riedewald to be part of his project in a back 3 and jettisoning our more experienced players.
The upshot was that Riedewald only played a few games in a back 3 and DeBoer departed with our experienced players restored.

It’s not an exact parallel as Glasner is a far more adept manager than DeBoer with a good track record.
However, team spirit can be affected when the manager’s choices continue to be played when they are not performing.
This is where managers like Pep and Ferguson excel.
There is no sentiment or favouritism in their approach.
It’s all about picking a team to get a result.
 
When Ollie arrived last season we were all prepared for relegation under Roy and going down with a whimper. He changed that by recognising that with Olise and Eze the best form of defence was attack. It worked better than any of us could have imagined and led to talk of Europe this season. Realistically we have a new manager in his first full season in the PL working with a squad of new players and more experienced players who had little rest over the summer and virtually no preseason. It’s a disappointing start but not surprising. For me the only concern at the moment is his persistence with Kamada as a DM and 2 strikers who have yet to form and meaningful partnership
 
The bottom line is that results are all that matters.
If we are around the bottom 3 by December, Glasner will be gone. Parish does not hang about when things are looking grim. In the meantime, we must give support to manager and players and hope that he starts picking a more sensible starting 11.
Right now he seems to be pickling players to keep them happy. Kamada and Nketiah might be expensive, but they should be benched if they aren't cutting it.

Nketiah should be up front or nowhere. Kamada should replace Eze or be nowhere. Sarr is a winger.
Hughes has to break up play in the midfield in the absence of Doucoure. We need a regular back three.

January needs to be fruitful. We still need a stronger winger and a left wing back.
 
Certainly the transfer window in the summer reflects the manager's choices, versus last Jan when we picked up Wharton and Munoz - both good additions. The only upgrade this summer was Eddie over Edouard - and that's not saying much! We have one of the lowest net spends in the EPL, so if you can't invest new capital, then you suffer as we are certainly doing now. Our squad is very thin on quality and represent a relegation profile. The manager has to be accountable for some of that, probably not all of it. The only thing boards can change is the manager midway through a season, so it will be interesting to se if they stick with Glasner if we are still in the bottom 3 come January. Personally, I think we chop and change managers too much, so maybe this time we try and support him, both with investment and backing. The players need confidence as well, and a manager can't give that if he is continually looking over his shoulder. I don't think we are there yet and hopefully there will be a turnaround soon - but don't expect miracles.
 
I think we need some leaders or experience in defence too so would play Ward or Clyne.

Otherwise agree with all who say JP and Eddie can’t both start and we need Sarr and not Kamada at this point.

For me, the club are to blame as we’ve got a great record of signing players from the championship yet instead signed players from abroad where we have a terrible record. Jack Clarke to Ipswich was unbelievable considering we’ve been tracking for two years and had the money available and needed that position filled.

As for Eze, he’s back to the player he was most of last season and the previous one (where Vieira dropped him). It’s like having ten men when he’s not on form as he offers nothing going back and whilst Kamada was to blame for the goal, Eze also was as should’ve moved towards the ball rather than wait for it to come to him. Too often he does things like that in our own final third and he’ll cost us goals as a result.
 
Glasner said post match that the form at the end of last season led to 'some flying in the clouds' and was out of line with our normal form.
He looked for more realism about where we are as a club.

He sounded different to the Glasner who joined the club saying that if the club were looking for another manager happy to just settle for mid table then he wasn't the guy.

It could be the sale of key players and the disrupted pre season has led to a reappraisal from him of our prospects.
But he's an ambitious chap who can be impatient.

I do see difficulties ahead, in particular if he feels that he hasn't been supported by the club.
 
PatrickA said:
Glasner was a hot managerial property just a few weeks ago.
Bayern Munich were in for him before they eventually got Kompany, and some fans suggested the club would better served tying him down to a long term contract rather than focusing on new contracts for our better players.
He was seen as that key to our immediate future.

This gave him a lot of power and sway in the summer and I wonder if the club has perhaps overdone this.
I doubt Kamada and Lacroix were on the club’s scouting or Freedman’s radar before,but Glasner wanted them and was instrumental in them joining.
They may well be good players, but it remains to be seen if they will be good players for Palace.
But more than this it leads to strange selections where e.g Kamada is played where Freedman’s signings (Sarr, Lerma, Hughes ) would seem to be a more natural selection for the given position.
In some ways it’s reminiscent of DeBoer insisting on signing Riedewald to be part of his project in a back 3 and jettisoning our more experienced players.
The upshot was that Riedewald only played a few games in a back 3 and DeBoer departed with our experienced players restored.

It’s not an exact parallel as Glasner is a far more adept manager than DeBoer with a good track record.
However, team spirit can be affected when the manager’s choices continue to be played when they are not performing.
This is where managers like Pep and Ferguson excel.
There is no sentiment or favouritism in their approach.
It’s all about picking a team to get a result.
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Bayern like a manager that can get relegated from the Premier League!!
 
PatrickA said:
Glasner said post match that the form at the end of last season led to 'some flying in the clouds' and was out of line with our normal form.
He looked for more realism about where we are as a club.

He sounded different to the Glasner who joined the club saying that if the club were looking for another manager happy to just settle for mid table then he wasn't the guy.

It could be the sale of key players and the disrupted pre season has led to a reappraisal from him of our prospects.
But he's an ambitious chap who can be impatient.

I do see difficulties ahead, in particular if he feels that he hasn't been supported by the club.
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I share his frustration in as much that the pre season preparation was far from perfect.

Palace had players at the Euros and Copa America that didn't have the opportunity to participate with the with the others.

Then the disruption by the deals done later in the transfer market.

Glasner is no ' fire fighter ' and that's the type of manager Palace are used to....Roy, Allardyce, Pulis...I think it remains to be seen whether the club are able to get along with somebody who actually has some ambition.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
Plays the same front 3 and its not working, Kamada is just not good enough, he must see this surely?

Brings on Schlupp for Nketiah didn't make sense, some of his ingame tactics are bizarre

Hope he changes things soon, I'll give it till Christmas then it's time for a change maybe get someone like moyes in.
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Definitely not. It can't be said that any of the new players have quite made the level yet and they need more time. We knew that either Olise or Eze would go but the loss of Anderson is particularly telling at present. Glasner right to call out and criticise the issue of concentration at all times in the game - Everton result should not have occurred. My concern would be the slew of oncoming fixtures i.e. Liverpool and Notts.Forest(away) that are not likely to yield positive outcomes that sink us further into relegation zone.
 
It's a funny one. I think we have a lot of smallish problems, many of which have been listed already, which unfortunately have all lead to our disappointing start. For me there are two things holding back our best two players:

Wharton's injury from the Euros is clearly still bothering him and I think his best partner is Hughes or Dacoure. As a result he's not played at anything like the level of last season.

Eze is missing a buddie on the same wavelength. How many times did Eze and Olise link up in the last third of last season, or feel able to drift away from their position to find space, with the other coming across and filling in etc etc.

I think we may have missed a recruitment trick as we've bought a CF in Eddie and a winger in Sarr. I think they are both quality players in their respective positions, but not someone for Eze to really gel with.

Based on our current squad, I think we have to hope either Kamada or Franca step in and build that creative relationship with Ebs.
 
ASCPFC said:
Same as Munoz currently. He's living off of last year's performances, as are Eze and Mateta.
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Munoz must be knackered, the energy he puts into games. He went straight from the copa America final to two weeks holiday with his mrs then back at it with us pre season
He’s not the only player who looks a bit jaded
 
Somebody posted an article not long ago which interestingly focussed upon Glasner's poor starts to seasons, before things suddenly changed. Add to that, the loss of two key players for us this summer, a number of new incomings and summer tournaments. That said, excuses or reasons aside, the start results-wise has been atrocious.

I have the feeling things will turn around in due course however he may well get the tin-tac if this continues into double figures of games played. I hope it's the former. It's all well and good having a great and unique approach to football as a manager but if it translates into nothing, and you don't have any answers/solutions, the writing will always be on the wall.
 
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