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Is Glasner the problem?

NEILLO said:
It's all very well saying this player needs to play here not there, we need to change tactics, etc etc.

But the fact is that the team has not put in a bad 90 minutes this season.

Bad 45's yes. And yesterday was another one of them. And while that remains the case, it's difficult to see OG changing too much because he will feel we aren't far off being where we need to be.

However, to quote the old cliche, it's a results business.

If, as most would expect, we lose at home to Liverpool, well managers of clubs like ours rarely get sacked for losing to them. Lose that and then lose at Forest and I can imagine Parish starting to get a bit twitchy.
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Looking at your first sentence above then, would you retain this formation and the players therein.?
This would mean e g continuing Kamada as one of two in central midfield and Nketiah not playing in his natural position.

I agree the performances haven't been awful this season but have seen no signs of improvement or reasons to believe results will improve if players continue to be played out of position.
 
PatrickA said:
Looking at your first sentence above then, would you retain this formation and the players therein.?
This would mean e g continuing Kamada as one of two in central midfield and Nketiah not playing in his natural position.

I agree the performances haven't been awful this season but have seen no signs of improvement or reasons to believe results will improve if players continue to be played out of position.
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No I wouldn't. Like most on here I have my own view on team selection and tactics.

I was trying to articulate why OG is persisting with his. And trying to understand why.

At the moment I would say that this is typical Palace - coming into the season with high expectation and then seeing it fall flat for a number of different reasons.

In my opinion, Glasner owed his late season success to the irresistible play of Olise and Eze, which in turn lifted the other players to perform to a high standard.

Now that's gone we look back to where we were when OG first took over.

I'm not advocating sacking him, but he needs to come up with some solutions pretty quickly otherwise this has all the hallmarks of a season of struggle.
 
Hmmm, Its starting to have a bit of Vieira smell, formation over players, shoehorning players in to the formation, unbalanced. if you went for formation to players, this is the best fit. return of the Diamond
----------Hendersen----------
Muñoz--Guehi-C-half-Mitchell
----------Doucoure------------
------Wharton--Lerma--------
--------------Eze---------------
-----Mateta------Nketiah------

Chalobah can play the Doucoure role, when not available
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Hmmm, Its starting to have a bit of Vieira smell, formation over players, shoehorning players in to the formation, unbalanced. if you went for formation to players, this is the best fit. return of the Diamond
----------Hendersen----------
Muñoz--Guehi-C-half-Mitchell
----------Doucoure------------
------Wharton--Lerma--------
--------------Eze---------------
-----Mateta------Nketiah------

Chalobah can play the Doucoure role, when not available
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Or put Chalobah in his natural position as the other centre back alongside Guehi!
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Hmmm, Its starting to have a bit of Vieira smell, formation over players, shoehorning players in to the formation, unbalanced. if you went for formation to players, this is the best fit. return of the Diamond
----------Hendersen----------
Muñoz--Guehi-C-half-Mitchell
----------Doucoure------------
------Wharton--Lerma--------
--------------Eze---------------
-----Mateta------Nketiah------

Chalobah can play the Doucoure role, when not available
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Looks a better balanced team with the available players in the squad.
Certainly more compact and less exposed in midfield, but possibly lacking width going forward.

I don't think such selection will happen.
Potentially it leaves out Glasner's two signings, assuming Chaloboah or Richards takes one of the centre half spots , and I don't think Glasner will do this.
 
PatrickA said:
Looks a better balanced team with the available players in the squad.
Certainly more compact and less exposed in midfield, but possibly lacking width going forward.

I don't think such selection will happen.
Potentially it leaves out Glasner's two signings, assuming Chaloboah or Richards takes one of the centre half spots , and I don't think Glasner will do this.
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No, i don't think he will, just as Vieira thought Eze's best position was on the bench
 
n wales eagles said:
Olise and Andersen gone and eze strolling around sulking cos he's not gone as well. Replacements poor but don't know the answer other than we are nowhere near the side that I was so excited about for a top 7finish but now resigned to relegation fight
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I’m not writing off your theory that Eze is sulking, but it can’t be towards SP or the club because we haven’t received a satisfactory public bid or unsatisfactory private bid as far as we know. Playing badly isn’t going to help Eze’s cause and that is the job of the manager to remind him of that if it is the case he’s sulking a bit.
 
OG has made some weird team selections and subs this season that are hard to understand. Is he overthinking and overcomplicating things? His record would suggest he needs time to get his ideas across on the training pitch before things start to gel. He spoke in the presser that this was the first full week's training he's had with the squad this season which is bonkers, so maybe this is just a case of patience.

Several on here were quite vocal in the summer of the need to accept offers for the likes of Andersen, Ayew and Olise (as well as Guehi and others), but you can't expect everything to click when you lose several key players in one go. It's been six games and even within that there was an international break that disrupted things further after a summer that a club of our size is not used to (in terms of losing a huge chunk of the squad to international tournaments).

On the positive side, I think Chalobah could be a big player for us. He has a big personality, is physically big and was probably Chelsea's best defender in their last 10 games. Glasner also has a history of turning things around with a result against a big team.

It's grim, but it's been grimmer.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Hmmm, Its starting to have a bit of Vieira smell, formation over players, shoehorning players in to the formation, unbalanced. if you went for formation to players, this is the best fit. return of the Diamond
----------Hendersen----------
Muñoz--Guehi-C-half-Mitchell
----------Doucoure------------
------Wharton--Lerma--------
--------------Eze---------------
-----Mateta------Nketiah------

Chalobah can play the Doucoure role, when not available
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I agree, we have no wide players as such, yet we're playing a system that seems to need them. We're also getting overrun in midfield due to only having two in there. This boils down to always having a back three - there are limited options with the numbers in midfield then. If we showed the flexibility to have a back four, then that would be a start. The other back three issue is reliance on wingbacks. Mitchell doesn't offer that much going forward, we all know that - that's on Dougie and Parish. However, why is Munoz going backwards now? I suspect it's playing 90 minutes every game, every international break. I'd be loathe to release him and Lerma at all, they way they've been used.
 
taylors lovechild said:
OG has made some weird team selections and subs this season that are hard to understand. Is he overthinking and overcomplicating things? His record would suggest he needs time to get his ideas across on the training pitch before things start to gel. He spoke in the presser that this was the first full week's training he's had with the squad this season which is bonkers, so maybe this is just a case of patience.

Several on here were quite vocal in the summer of the need to accept offers for the likes of Andersen, Ayew and Olise (as well as Guehi and others), but you can't expect everything to click when you lose several key players in one go. It's been six games and even within that there was an international break that disrupted things further after a summer that a club of our size is not used to (in terms of losing a huge chunk of the squad to international tournaments).

On the positive side, I think Chalobah could be a big player for us. He has a big personality, is physically big and was probably Chelsea's best defender in their last 10 games. Glasner also has a history of turning things around with a result against a big team.

It's grim, but it's been grimmer.
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Indeed, we are not getting played off the park. So from a performance perspective things aren't terrible. Just not quite clicking.

I do think he needs to be brave and drop JPM or Nketiah
 
Sarr is by definition a wide player. He's also played well from the bench. The only reason I can think he is not starting is because OG feels under pressure to play Nketiah, but doesn't want to drop JP because of his goal-scoring record. The issue in central midfield seems to rest on OG's belief that Kamada can play there. So far he hasn't proven that he can. We have better options to play alongside Wharton even without Doucoure in Lerma and Hughes.

It's a conundrum as arguably most of our best players are central players, but if you played something like Lanzo's suggestion you would imagine it would take teams all of five minutes to ruthlessly exploit the wide areas, while going forward there would also be no width so teams could just pack the central areas. A back four might suit Mitchell better but it would probably nullify Munoz who in better periods has looked like one of our most effective attacking players.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is it just a case of dropping Kamada for Lerma/Hughes, playing Sarr wide right and choosing to play either JP or Nketiah, but not both at the same time (unless chasing a game)?
 
taylors lovechild said:
OG has made some weird team selections and subs this season that are hard to understand. Is he overthinking and overcomplicating things? His record would suggest he needs time to get his ideas across on the training pitch before things start to gel. He spoke in the presser that this was the first full week's training he's had with the squad this season which is bonkers, so maybe this is just a case of patience.

Several on here were quite vocal in the summer of the need to accept offers for the likes of Andersen, Ayew and Olise (as well as Guehi and others), but you can't expect everything to click when you lose several key players in one go. It's been six games and even within that there was an international break that disrupted things further after a summer that a club of our size is not used to (in terms of losing a huge chunk of the squad to international tournaments).

On the positive side, I think Chalobah could be a big player for us. He has a big personality, is physically big and was probably Chelsea's best defender in their last 10 games. Glasner also has a history of turning things around with a result against a big team.

It's grim, but it's been grimmer.
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Sensible opinion worth reposting so let’s hope (for a period of time) it comes good.
 
taylors lovechild said:
Sarr is by definition a wide player. He's also played well from the bench. The only reason I can think he is not starting is because OG feels under pressure to play Nketiah, but doesn't want to drop JP because of his goal-scoring record. The issue in central midfield seems to rest on OG's belief that Kamada can play there. So far he hasn't proven that he can. We have better options to play alongside Wharton even without Doucoure in Lerma and Hughes.

It's a conundrum as arguably most of our best players are central players, but if you played something like Lanzo's suggestion you would imagine it would take teams all of five minutes to ruthlessly exploit the wide areas, while going forward there would also be no width so teams could just pack the central areas. A back four might suit Mitchell better but it would probably nullify Munoz who in better periods has looked like one of our most effective attacking players.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it but is it just a case of dropping Kamada for Lerma/Hughes, playing Sarr wide right and choosing to play either JP or Nketiah, but not both at the same time (unless chasing a game)?
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In my view you're not oversimplifying it.
We have a hybrid squad with players suited to different systems e g Munoz is better suited to a wing back role whereas Mitchell is better suited to a full back role.
This has led to us putting out teams that have lacked balance and surely Glasner is the only person in the stadium who prefers Kamada to Lerma or Hughes in a central midfield pairing as has been the case this season.
I can see advantages in having a front 3 with Nketiah and Sarr for reasons of extra pace and mobility.
It may seem harsh on Mateta , but it's a short term decision to try something different and doesn't mean that he can't play a role in the future.
If we're not providing him with the service (as has been the case this season) he will continue to resemble the Mateta under Roy rather than the Mateta at the end of last season.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Hmmm, Its starting to have a bit of Vieira smell, formation over players, shoehorning players in to the formation, unbalanced. if you went for formation to players, this is the best fit. return of the Diamond
----------Hendersen----------
Muñoz--Guehi-C-half-Mitchell
----------Doucoure------------
------Wharton--Lerma--------
--------------Eze---------------
-----Mateta------Nketiah------

Chalobah can play the Doucoure role, when not available
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Mitchell, who seems cast iron first eleven, would prefer this because he just needs to defend. He doesn't know how to attack. When he is wide left and occasionally passed to, he just waits then passes it back to the first available palace shirt. On the rare occasions he does go forwards he panics and just gets rid of the ball into the middle. Most of the time, the other players blank his presence and look elsewhere for the pass. I do not understand why this has been overlooked for so long.
 
With our next 3 matches Liverpool H Forest A Spurs H, I can see getting only 1 point if we are lucky.

Could this be the season we actually go down 🙁

When you look at our draws against Chelsea and Manure we should have been smashed 3 to 4 nil, we were lucky.

SP and Glasner need a conversation to see what's best for the club 🤔
 
dreamwaverider said:
Mitchell, who seems cast iron first eleven, would prefer this because he just needs to defend. He doesn't know how to attack. When he is wide left and occasionally passed to, he just waits then passes it back to the first available palace shirt. On the rare occasions he does go forwards he panics and just gets rid of the ball into the middle. Most of the time, the other players blank his presence and look elsewhere for the pass. I do not understand why this has been overlooked for so long.
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Same as Munoz currently. He's living off of last year's performances, as are Eze and Mateta.
 
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