Is Glasner the problem?

[Teddy Eagle]

Surely we give him more time unless something going on behind the scenes. We are not good right now but I like Glasner. Results will come but it’ll be a hard slog until January window when we replace Olise. Mad to sack him so soon after what he achieved last season

I agree with you Fan, I like him and obviously want him to be successful, but realistically the club must have a threshold for how many points we're prepared to be adrift by January and then how much will we want to invest in transfers for a manager whose tactics aren't working?
There is also the possibility that he decides to walk. It may be a slight possibility but it's happened to us before.
On another point I'd like to see more return from Munoz. I don't like to criticise him when he puts in so much effort but when his attacking capabilities are his main advantage we're not benefitting much.
Still, fingers crossed we can turn things round.

 

[eagleman13]

It's already started with clickbait, Moyes is the 1st(obvious) name to be mentioned . . . 'Sounding out' - Crystal Palace eye ex West Ham boss after Everton defeat

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

It's already started with clickbait, Moyes is the 1st(obvious) name to be mentioned . . . 'Sounding out' - Crystal Palace eye ex West Ham boss after Everton defeat

Oh ffs 😒 , i think id rather have Roy back than Moyes , I dont think there would be too many in the dressing room that would understand him 🤣. Though his replacement at wet spam isnt going down too well either . Think id give OG a few more games to turn it around. If we think it tough now whats it gonna be like when or if MG and Eze decide to leave in the Jan window .

 

[JHB]

Surely we give him more time unless something going on behind the scenes. We are not good right now but I like Glasner. Results will come but it’ll be a hard slog until January window when we replace Olise. Mad to sack him so soon after what he achieved last season

We won’t be replacing Olise. Firstly because he is irreplaceable. Secondly because the club have known since the start of last season he would be sold in the summer. They had almost a year to scout out a replacement for him so we have to assume Sarr and Nketiah are it.

 

[NEILLO]

We won’t be replacing Olise. Firstly because he is irreplaceable. Secondly because the club have known since the start of last season he would be sold in the summer. They had almost a year to scout out a replacement for him so we have to assume Sarr and Nketiah are it.

That's news to me.

 

[JHB]

That's news to me.

It’s a bit of conjecture to be fair but when we didn’t sell him to Chelsea and gave him a new contract part of the deal was we put it a decent by reasonable release fee clause. That means it was at least implicit in the deal he’d be off this summer as there was a very good chance of the release fee being met. Perhaps a better way of me putting it would be to say the club knew there was a very strong likelihood of him being sold this summer and so had the best part of a year to plan for that

 

[NEILLO]

It’s a bit of conjecture to be fair but when we didn’t sell him to Chelsea and gave him a new contract part of the deal was we put it a decent by reasonable release fee clause. That means it was at least implicit in the deal he’d be off this summer as there was a very good chance of the release fee being met. Perhaps a better way of me putting it would be to say the club knew there was a very strong likelihood of him being sold this summer and so had the best part of a year to plan for that

Part of the Release Clause was that only clubs qualifying for the Champions League would be eligible to bid for him.

I think the expectancy around the club was that none of the English qualifiers would come in for him this summer.

Bayern caught Palace completely by surprise - I don't believe the club anticipated him leaving at that point.

However, that is little more than conjecture on my part mixed with what I've heard !

 

[JHB]

Part of the Release Clause was that only clubs qualifying for the Champions League would be eligible to bid for him.

I think the expectancy around the club was that none of the English qualifiers would come in for him this summer.

Bayern caught Palace completely by surprise - I don't believe the club anticipated him leaving at that point.

However, that is little more than conjecture on my part mixed with what I've heard !

You may be right. However, when you put a realistic release clause in your best player’s contract you’d hope you would make contingency plans for him being sold. I’m think the club would have even on a ‘just in case basis’ which is why I assume the squad we now have reflects that and why I don’t think we’d be buying anyone to replace him in January. The alternative is that we didn’t plan for it and were caught on the hop which would show a worrying lack of foresight

 

[PatrickA]

Part of the Release Clause was that only clubs qualifying for the Champions League would be eligible to bid for him.

I think the expectancy around the club was that none of the English qualifiers would come in for him this summer.

Bayern caught Palace completely by surprise - I don't believe the club anticipated him leaving at that point.

However, that is little more than conjecture on my part mixed with what I've heard !

I’ve heard the same, that the club hadn’t anticipated him leaving this summer.
Nonetheless, with release clauses I suppose you always have to at least prepare for that possibility .

When the departure of Olise was discussed with Glasner, he said he that he was very difficult to replace like for like so they had elected to go for 2 players with a different profile - Kamada and Sarr - who between them would hopefully be able to compensate for the loss of Olise.

Subsequently the picture became further complicated with the purchase of Nketiah who hasn’t joined to be on the bench , so instead an attempt is being made to shoehorn him into the Olise position.

At the moment, since none seem the answer to replace Olise it may be an idea to reconsider the system/tactics employed.

There appears to be some muddled thinking going on and a lack of clarity of purpose, but I suppose it’s easy for me to comment when I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.

 

[taylors lovechild]

There was a stat going around a few days ago that Sarr is only behind one player in terms of most big chances created per 90 minutes (outside of the big 6 clubs). Hopefully, he'll start on Saturday and recreate his performance that saw Watford trounce Liverpool a few years back. Start Nketiah ahead of JP, too. Eze and Wharton threading balls for them to get behind their backline could give us a remote hope of getting something out of the game. If Nketiah doesn't perform bring JP on...not Schlupp!

The Liverpool game will unlikely have any bearing on OG's future, but a positive result could kickstart our season. A defeat is likely, so I doubt it would change much unless we get battered.

News of Moyes fills my boots with concrete and has me shuffling to a bridge, a Highland Toffee bar jammed in my mouth, a bagpiper piping...

 

[Palacesince64]

There was a stat going around a few days ago that Sarr is only behind one player in terms of most big chances created per 90 minutes (outside of the big 6 clubs). Hopefully, he'll start on Saturday and recreate his performance that saw Watford trounce Liverpool a few years back. Start Nketiah ahead of JP, too. Eze and Wharton threading balls for them to get behind their backline could give us a remote hope of getting something out of the game. If Nketiah doesn't perform bring JP on...not Schlupp!

The Liverpool game will unlikely have any bearing on OG's future, but a positive result could kickstart our season. A defeat is likely, so I doubt it would change much unless we get battered.

News of Moyes fills my boots with concrete and has me shuffling to a bridge, a Highland Toffee bar jammed in my mouth, a bagpiper piping...

Mmmm. Highland toffee and bagpipes- heaven!
Glasner is here to stay. We are fortunate to have him and talk of Moyes is frankly clickbait bullsh*t. We will finish top half again this season.

 

[rob1969]

Surely we give him more time unless something going on behind the scenes. We are not good right now but I like Glasner. Results will come but it’ll be a hard slog until January window when we replace Olise. Mad to sack him so soon after what he achieved last season

you mean just replace the £100m Bayern Munich star !

 

[DenTyler]

Its no mystery at all, Mateta and Nketiah are CFs play both, with Eze as a No10, 3 solid midfielders, back 4, full backs attacking (not at the same time) one of the 3 solid midfielders, drops in to cover the FB, job done, Easy.

I suggested this last week, if we play 2 up top Eze comes in as a 10 behind,
Play 3 in the centre and a back 4.

This will almost certainly be a better match against Liverpool as they play almost this but with Salah and Salaz-whatever his name is, behind a centre forward.

I would suggest this (slight tweak to last weeks suggestion)

Hendo
Munoz, MG, ML, Mitchell
Sarr Wharton hughes/lerma
Eze
JPM, Eddie

That is a decent team on paper. Players predominantly in there correct positions with Kamada out the way at the start.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

We won’t be replacing Olise. Firstly because he is irreplaceable. Secondly because the club have known since the start of last season he would be sold in the summer. They had almost a year to scout out a replacement for him so we have to assume Sarr and Nketiah are it.

I think they hoped that one of Sarr, Nketiah or Kamada would fill that void.

For me the problem is that Sarr is the most like for like positionally and in terms of directness but he is the one who hasn't really been given a chance yet.

I'd have Kamada down as competition for Eze, with Nketiah the same for Mateta. It feels a bit like square pegs in round holes at the moment. Same issue as LWB with Mitchell far better suited to being a LB in a back four.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

I think most of us believed we had struck gold with Ollie after our successful end to last season. But now, having lost key team members, including a superstar, and trying to integrate new players who have no previous PL experience, some of whom have injuries it seems almost inevitable that our performances have been less than spectacular.

It's far too soon to be questioning the manager and whether he's totally accountable for our early results - the team must also take responsibility. However, the one thing that bothered me about the Everton game was how different we looked ithe second half compared with the way we played in the first. I just wonder whether the half time messages were over complicated and confusing which is why we looked all at sea after the interval.

Fact is that right now Glasner is not the problem.

 

[JRW2]

It's far too soon to be questioning the manager and whether he's totally accountable for our early results - the team must also take responsibility. However, the one thing that bothered me about the Everton game was how different we looked ithe second half compared with the way we played in the first. I just wonder whether the half time messages were over complicated and confusing which is why we looked all at sea after the interval.

Fact is that right now Glasner is not the problem.

 

[JRW2]

You may well be right, but what is almost beyond doubt is that Dyche put a rocket up his players' backsides. Glasner must have known that and said to the Palace players, Look, we're the better side but they're going to come out roaring and we must match that for the first few minutes, ride out the storm and quieten the crowd. Not complicated.

 

[est1905]

I think we'd all accept Olise is not replaceable. A club Palace size just doesn't have the resources to go out and spend the money it would take to do that. Lets pretend Palace have that kind of money. Next problem is convincing the player to come. We cant even offer Europa Conference League football let alone CL!
So...we have to do what we've always done (When losing Ian Wright, when losing Chris Armstrong, when losing Attillio Lombardo, when losing Andrew Johnson, the list goes on and on) we have to reinvent ourselves. Go in a different direction. We cant recreate the lost player so we have to sign the best quality we can afford/attract and create a passage of play that becomes almost or even as productive as the old one. I'm surprised as well as delighted that the club backed OG and spent a lot of money in the summer.
Its boring to hear but the truth is OG is not at fault at this stage. Well, not 100% at fault and not this early on. In my opinion even Pep, Jose or Klopp would struggle to get a tune out of this squad so soon when not only have there been a lot of changes but just as one or two of these changes begins to settle into the team they get injured. Its time thats needed. Time and holding our nerve. Look at Glasner's record. He is a winner. A winner that has overcome the odds to become one.
Others may disagree but I believe he'll get it right. Its not as if we are not passing and moving. Our movement on and off the ball is fluid. We move the ball quickly and we are trying hard to create.
I think a few of our established key players (Guehi, Eze, Mateta, even Wharton) are not at their very best right now. Would Wharton make the England squad if the Euros were coming up next month on his current form? I think not. Same goes for Eze and Guehi. Couple that with new players finding their feet and trying to hit the ground running and this for me is the issue.
We may have to go through a few more weeks of disappointment before Palace's engines start seriously firing up but I think we'll get there. It is easy to point fingers at the manager the first sign of a bad run of results. I've done it myself, but on this occasion I honestly believe no one else could currently do better. I believe we are fortunate to have OG and I think in time he'll get it right.

 

[Palacesince64]

I think we'd all accept Olise is not replaceable. A club Palace size just doesn't have the resources to go out and spend the money it would take to do that. Lets pretend Palace have that kind of money. Next problem is convincing the player to come. We cant even offer Europa Conference League football let alone CL!
So...we have to do what we've always done (When losing Ian Wright, when losing Chris Armstrong, when losing Attillio Lombardo, when losing Andrew Johnson, the list goes on and on) we have to reinvent ourselves. Go in a different direction. We cant recreate the lost player so we have to sign the best quality we can afford/attract and create a passage of play that becomes almost or even as productive as the old one. I'm surprised as well as delighted that the club backed OG and spent a lot of money in the summer.
Its boring to hear but the truth is OG is not at fault at this stage. Well, not 100% at fault and not this early on. In my opinion even Pep, Jose or Klopp would struggle to get a tune out of this squad so soon when not only have there been a lot of changes but just as one or two of these changes begins to settle into the team they get injured. Its time thats needed. Time and holding our nerve. Look at Glasner's record. He is a winner. A winner that has overcome the odds to become one.
Others may disagree but I believe he'll get it right. Its not as if we are not passing and moving. Our movement on and off the ball is fluid. We move the ball quickly and we are trying hard to create.
I think a few of our established key players (Guehi, Eze, Mateta, even Wharton) are not at their very best right now. Would Wharton make the England squad if the Euros were coming up next month on his current form? I think not. Same goes for Eze and Guehi. Couple that with new players finding their feet and trying to hit the ground running and this for me is the issue.
We may have to go through a few more weeks of disappointment before Palace's engines start seriously firing up but I think we'll get there. It is easy to point fingers at the manager the first sign of a bad run of results. I've done it myself, but on this occasion I honestly believe no one else could currently do better. I believe we are fortunate to have OG and I think in time he'll get it right.

Spot on!

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

you mean just replace the £100m Bayern Munich star !

Dont know where you got 100m from , 55m is what he was sold for .