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Is Glasner the problem?

PatrickA said:
I’ve heard the same, that the club hadn’t anticipated him leaving this summer.
Nonetheless, with release clauses I suppose you always have to at least prepare for that possibility .

When the departure of Olise was discussed with Glasner, he said he that he was very difficult to replace like for like so they had elected to go for 2 players with a different profile - Kamada and Sarr - who between them would hopefully be able to compensate for the loss of Olise.

Subsequently the picture became further complicated with the purchase of Nketiah who hasn’t joined to be on the bench , so instead an attempt is being made to shoehorn him into the Olise position.

At the moment, since none seem the answer to replace Olise it may be an idea to reconsider the system/tactics employed.

There appears to be some muddled thinking going on and a lack of clarity of purpose, but I suppose it’s easy for me to comment when I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.
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Really?

I thought it was the worst kept secret he would go this summer.

When his agent got banned the FA even delayed the ban as he was negotiating a big sale. Who could that be??

I agree he was always going to be difficult to replace, but there was no surprise in his departure.

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Crystal Palace winger Michael Olise's agent given six-month FA ban

Crystal Palace star Michael Olise's agent is banned for six months for breaching rules around a future transfer of the player when he was at Reading in 2019.
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And the media scrotes are starting to refer to Ollie as being 'under fire' due to our poor start to the season. Really?

I don't think we're at that point yet, are we?
 
Canterbury Palace said:
First of all let's not forget that Munoz and Lerma got to the Copa America final in the summer, Henderson, Wharton, Eze and Guehi got to the Euros final and Mateta got to the Olympics final. I wonder if another club had that many starting players without much of a summer break?

Various players are currently out of form, looking very tired or getting used to the system with new personnel.

I started another thead about Glasner starting seasons slowly and although I must admit I am getting a little worried, I do still think he'll come good.

I'd also urge everyone to keep in mind that if the experiment of us appointing Glasner, a progressive manager, fails then the likely we'll revert back to a Hodgson-esque 'safe' manager. I really don't want that and haven't forgotten how depressing supporting us was at times under Roy.

Our next five league games are Liverpool, Forest, Spurs, Wolves and Fulham. Given that we'll probably lose to Liverpool, Forest becomes a bit of a must win doesn't it because if we potentially go another three games without a win then the situation becomes a bit dire.
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TBH I never get depressed supporting my beloved club. The situations we get in yes but not the club. For the record I’m sure you are the same so I am just being a bit pedantic 😂
 
cryrst said:
TBH I never get depressed supporting my beloved club. The situations we get in yes but not the club. For the record I’m sure you are the same so I am just being a bit pedantic 😂
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Spoken like a true Palace fan . Well done .
 
Palace Old Geezer said:
And the media scrotes are starting to refer to Ollie as being 'under fire' due to our poor start to the season. Really?

I don't think we're at that point yet, are we?
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Just the media trying to generate a story before one even exists in the hope that they can then tell the world that they knew before anyone else.
 
I really want glasner to succeed and he's obviously a great manager but we look disjointed and unbalanced going forward, lightweight in midfield, he needs to forget this 3421 formation, there's only one position eze can play and that's a no 10, he's also too obsessed with this overreliance on wing backs, Mitchell is not a wing back and you can still play 4 at the back with your full backs playing high up the pitch anyway, Liverpool have done it for years. Kamada is far too slow for this league. Franca is still unproven, tho I'd like to see eze in a 10, with franca, Nketiah and sarr, having real pace up top. I doubt very much we will see this under glasner.
 
grumpymort said:
Moyes & Potter would not come to Palace.

We wont sack manager unless it is closer to the end of the season and we do look in real trouble.

I feel for Glasner he has lost a lot of players and really the replacements yes he knows 2 of them but they are new to the league and this league is miles apart form the German/Italy in every department also the player that have gone out are different types of players to those coming in plus people like Ayew was very good in games like this Everton one just what you need no other player we have does that.

The other thing is I believe its his style which is issue all well and good doing that in far easier German league & knock out football but in toughest league in the world his one style you cant get away with when you need to control games (It's a style which is for underdogs)

He would be better off setting up defensive and doing changes second half to have a go.

Badly need another left back Mitchel isnt good enough and struggles every game second half.
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Agreed 100% - this is the crux of the problem for me and let's not forget: he is new to the league as well.

I think he'll get it right.
 
We’ve played well in the majority of games and been very unfortunate not to win for numerous reasons. Some of our fans need patience, it will come. We have a good squad and manager, get behind him.
 
premier fan said:
We’ve played well in the majority of games and been very unfortunate not to win for numerous reasons. Some of our fans need patience, it will come. We have a good squad and manager, get behind him.
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Which games have we been unfortunate not to win?
Arguably Brentford when Eze's free kick was disallowed, but I can't think of any others.
We deserved to lose to West Ham and our second half capitulation at Everton warranted a defeat.
We were fortunate to escape heavy defeats against Manchester United and Chelsea who both missed a hatful of chances.
I understand the need for positivity and getting behind the team but surely that doesn't extend to refusing to acknowledge the evidence in front of her own eyes.
We haven't been thrashed and have always been in games, but I haven't come away from any game thinking we've been unlucky.
 
PatrickA said:
Which games have we been unfortunate not to win?
Arguably Brentford when Eze's free kick was disallowed, but I can't think of any others.
We deserved to lose to West Ham and our second half capitulation at Everton warranted a defeat.
We were fortunate to escape heavy defeats against Manchester United and Chelsea who both missed a hatful of chances.
I understand the need for positivity and getting behind the team but surely that doesn't extend to refusing to acknowledge the evidence in front of her own eyes.
We haven't been thrashed and have always been in games, but I haven't come away from any game thinking we've been unlucky.
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Agree that I dont think we deserved to win any of them

But we havent bee played off the park, and in most of the games have been the dominent team for a whole half.

Obviously not enough, and overall its not working. But there is some good stuff there.
 
est1905 said:
I think we'd all accept Olise is not replaceable. A club Palace size just doesn't have the resources to go out and spend the money it would take to do that. Lets pretend Palace have that kind of money. Next problem is convincing the player to come. We cant even offer Europa Conference League football let alone CL!
So...we have to do what we've always done (When losing Ian Wright, when losing Chris Armstrong, when losing Attillio Lombardo, when losing Andrew Johnson, the list goes on and on) we have to reinvent ourselves. Go in a different direction. We cant recreate the lost player so we have to sign the best quality we can afford/attract and create a passage of play that becomes almost or even as productive as the old one. I'm surprised as well as delighted that the club backed OG and spent a lot of money in the summer.
Its boring to hear but the truth is OG is not at fault at this stage. Well, not 100% at fault and not this early on. In my opinion even Pep, Jose or Klopp would struggle to get a tune out of this squad so soon when not only have there been a lot of changes but just as one or two of these changes begins to settle into the team they get injured. Its time thats needed. Time and holding our nerve. Look at Glasner's record. He is a winner. A winner that has overcome the odds to become one.
Others may disagree but I believe he'll get it right. Its not as if we are not passing and moving. Our movement on and off the ball is fluid. We move the ball quickly and we are trying hard to create.
I think a few of our established key players (Guehi, Eze, Mateta, even Wharton) are not at their very best right now. Would Wharton make the England squad if the Euros were coming up next month on his current form? I think not. Same goes for Eze and Guehi. Couple that with new players finding their feet and trying to hit the ground running and this for me is the issue.
We may have to go through a few more weeks of disappointment before Palace's engines start seriously firing up but I think we'll get there. It is easy to point fingers at the manager the first sign of a bad run of results. I've done it myself, but on this occasion I honestly believe no one else could currently do better. I believe we are fortunate to have OG and I think in time he'll get it right.
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This is a rational articulation of thinking that has to be balanced with the emotional turmoil of supporting any club really, let alone Palace!

Matchdays and immediately post-defeat it's always worst however I am trying to balance my thinking. We all want answers and results, yesterday, but I believe things will fall into a much better place soon.

COYP
 
Few would be surprised that we are suffering from the loss of this superstar,an extraordinary talent and clearly,it will take Glasner ,a while to come up with the best formation.
Patience is a virtue.


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In Michael Olise, Bayern Munich might have pulled off the signing of the summer, with the former Crystal Palace attacker flying at the Allianz Arena ahead of his return to England to face Aston Villa in the Champions League
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PatrickA said:
Which games have we been unfortunate not to win?
Arguably Brentford when Eze's free kick was disallowed, but I can't think of any others.
We deserved to lose to West Ham and our second half capitulation at Everton warranted a defeat.
We were fortunate to escape heavy defeats against Manchester United and Chelsea who both missed a hatful of chances.
I understand the need for positivity and getting behind the team but surely that doesn't extend to refusing to acknowledge the evidence in front of her own eyes.
We haven't been thrashed and have always been in games, but I haven't come away from any game thinking we've been unlucky.
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Not on our first half performance, we had 3 good chances, which on another day we could have been a couple up and it’s then a different game.
Although it does prove the point that we only seem to be able to play for half a game at the moment
 
BromleyMonkey said:
Not on our first half performance, we had 3 good chances, which on another day we could have been a couple up and it’s then a different game.
Although it does prove the point that we only seem to be able to play for half a game at the moment
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I agree that we were the better side in the first half, but sadly that doesn't win games.
In the end West Ham were comfortable 2-0 winners and in the second half we never seriously looked like getting back into the game.
We can continue to look for excuses and refer to' ifs and buts' or we can acknowledge that in truth no part of the team has functioned properly this season, in defence, midfield or attack.
I hope for and expect improvement, but it's not a given based on performances so far.
 
PatrickA said:
I agree that we were the better side in the first half, but sadly that doesn't win games.
In the end West Ham were comfortable 2-0 winners and in the second half we never seriously looked like getting back into the game.
We can continue to look for excuses and refer to' ifs and buts' or we can acknowledge that in truth no part of the team has functioned properly this season, in defence, midfield or attack.
I hope for and expect improvement, but it's not a given based on performances so far.
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This is also true, which was a concern because that was always my biggest concern under Roy, it always felt like once we went behind it was game over. We had no plan b, which is why I loved that first season under Vieira, even if we went a goal or two behind, it felt like we had the ability to claw our way back into a game.
 
PatrickA said:
I agree that we were the better side in the first half, but sadly that doesn't win games.
In the end West Ham were comfortable 2-0 winners and in the second half we never seriously looked like getting back into the game.
We can continue to look for excuses and refer to' ifs and buts' or we can acknowledge that in truth no part of the team has functioned properly this season, in defence, midfield or attack.
I hope for and expect improvement, but it's not a given based on performances so far.
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Agree, we just look very disjointed and unbalanced, i can't see a quick fix unless glasner changes things
 
I’m not sure why the high press and intensity has suddenly disappeared (Munoz leading that effort) as that seemed to start all our good play.

Maybe a little unbalanced with Olise and Anderson gone but I think most players after the summer exploits are not playing to their potential.

The players and manager are saying the right things and I don’t see any divisions in our ranks! The back 3 look a little pedestrian at the moment but after 8 games we’ve not conceded more than 2 in any game! It’s the front 3 that need to get it together as they are all now seasoned internationals and not delivering!
 
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