Is Glasner the problem?

[pssguy]

I’m not sure why the high press and intensity has suddenly disappeared (Munoz leading that effort) as that seemed to start all our good play.

Couldn't agree more. The aggression has completely disappeared from when we were unsettling other teams from the off last year. We were the final team to be ahead in any game of the season - not that it did us any good against Everton

 

[Dubai Eagle]

I’m not sure why the high press and intensity has suddenly disappeared (Munoz leading that effort) as that seemed to start all our good play.

Personally I think the high press & intensity have faded at times during games because we have periods when we lose the confidence in our ability to retain control over the midfield if the press breaks down / gets played through, which effects our belief in the overall game plan - hardly surprising given the absence of Decour'e, Adam Wharton having groin issues, the Columbians flying all over the world & playing every minute for their country, Hughes having fallen ill at a key moment Just before a game, (Maybe WH) & of course Kamada being a bit lightweight.

 

[MrRobbo]

Its an odd one, as effort should be a given.

But as a few have suggested maybe fatigue, and potentially confidence (pressing is much more tactical then running about).

Russel Martin was pretty vocal the other night about his players not playing with the heart and passion that he expects as a minimum. Presume OG would have had the same feelings about some of our games

 

[Canterbury Palace]

TBH I never get depressed supporting my beloved club. The situations we get in yes but not the club. For the record I’m sure you are the same so I am just being a bit pedantic 😂

That must be nice! I've been worn down through 30 years of false dawns and rock bottom moments.

There was definitely a spell under Roy where I stopped looking forward to games because you could predict what would happen before the game began. It would normally involve around 25% possession, 7 or 8 defensive players in the starting XI, reactive rather than proactive substitutions which wouldn't kick in until we'd already let the opposition go ahead plus the inevitability of a goal conceded after the 85th minute. Definitely grim times.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

That must be nice! I've been worn down through 30 years of false dawns and rock bottom moments.

There was definitely a spell under Roy where I stopped looking forward to games because you could predict what would happen before the game began. It would normally involve around 25% possession, 7 or 8 defensive players in the starting XI, reactive rather than proactive substitutions which wouldn't kick in until we'd already let the opposition go ahead plus the inevitability of a goal conceded after the 85th minute. Definitely grim times.

The difference now is that we have an attack minded manager leading an attack focused set-up; but we're not attacking. Well, at least, not very effectively.

But, no worries, Ollie will sort it.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We are suffering from our old problems. A failure to retain top players.
Michael Olise could play for anyone. He is world class. That leaves a big hole.

Jordan Ayew. The perfect substitute. Holds the ball up. Breaks up play. Wins free kicks, Can create chances.

Jochim Andersen. Great distribution and a good understanding with our other defenders.

So now we have Sarr not starting. He is half the player that Olise is at least a proper winger. Why is he not starting?
We have Kamada who seems unable to pass a football to his own team.

Lacroix looks decent, but has to grow an understanding with his team mates.
Riad. Gets injured for weeks. Needs to adapt to the team

Nketiah. Despite looking like a proper footballer, never got a real go at Arsenal and has failed to do much for us. Not that surprising when he is played out of position. He is a striker. Play him as one or put him on the bench.

Clyne. We always did well when he was starting at the end of last season, but is now benched in favour of other players.

So, the problem here is that Glasner feels obliged to play Nketiah and Kamada even though it clearly doesn't work.
Our defence needs stability. It keeps changing week to week. Chalobah will be the latest change very soon no doubt. Get a working back three and stick to it, even if it includes Lerma and Clyne.

Drop Kamada. He is not good enough. Hughes, Wharton and Doucoure are our best options. A passer and two DMs.

We have lost one of the best players in Europe and replaced him with an average player that Freedman has a hard on for. The rest of the team has to compensate, but that isn't happening because Glaser is not seeing the glaringly obvious.

I'm done.

 

[cryrst]

That must be nice! I've been worn down through 30 years of false dawns and rock bottom moments.

There was definitely a spell under Roy where I stopped looking forward to games because you could predict what would happen before the game began. It would normally involve around 25% possession, 7 or 8 defensive players in the starting XI, reactive rather than proactive substitutions which wouldn't kick in until we'd already let the opposition go ahead plus the inevitability of a goal conceded after the 85th minute. Definitely grim times.

If you still support a something doing that to you then I would ask why ?

 

[PatrickA]

There's been some discussion on here about Glasner's selections, including the selection of Nketiah on the right of a front 3 instead of down the middle.
Many on here, myself included, have felt he looks out of position there.

In the Independent today, Nketiah gives an interview in which he suggests the current position plays to his strengths as he's not receiving the ball with his back to goal, but instead is front facing allowing him to run at opponents which he believes is his strength.
He's also supportive of Glasner's front foot approach to games and thinks it's only a matter of time until the team clicks.
Let's hope he's correct.
For me it's key that Wharton gets back to form and fitness.
He's the player that hits the through balls of the correct weight,angle and pace which forwards thrive on.

 

[MrRobbo]

There's been some discussion on here about Glasner's selections, including the selection of Nketiah on the right of a front 3 instead of down the middle.
Many on here, myself included, have felt he looks out of position there.

In the Independent today, Nketiah gives an interview in which he suggests the current position plays to his strengths as he's not receiving the ball with his back to goal, but instead is front facing allowing him to run at opponents which he believes is his strength.
He's also supportive of Glasner's front foot approach to games and thinks it's only a matter of time until the team clicks.
Let's hope he's correct.
For me it's key that Wharton gets back to form and fitness.
He's the player that hits the through balls of the correct weight,angle and pace which forwards thrive on.

Interesting read.

And to be fair, he does look decent with the ball at his feet running at defenders.

Can help thinking that Munoz isn't helping things at the min. For all his bustle, he never pushes it into space and tried to get to the byline to cross. He seam to prefer and easier pass inside

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Interesting read.

And to be fair, he does look decent with the ball at his feet running at defenders.

Can't help thinking that Munoz isn't helping things at the min. For all his bustle, he never pushes it into space and tried to get to the byline to cross. He seam to prefer and easier pass inside

Don't you think he misses Olise's runs down his outside which gave him a good target to aim at?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

our midfielders seem to often pass the ball back to our defenders. Or to other non-attacking midfielders. Regardless of what seems to be the score, at that point, in any game.

its frustrating to watch. And seems to show a lack of confidence and ambition.

So what if we attack and then lose the ball. Its football, not open heart surgery. Mistakes are forgiven.

 

[Rainforest]

our midfielders seem to often pass the ball back to our defenders. Or to other non-attacking midfielders. Regardless of what seems to be the score, at that point, in any game.

its frustrating to watch. And seems to show a lack of confidence and ambition.

So what if we attack and then lose the ball. Its football, not open heart surgery. Mistakes are forgiven.

 

[Rainforest]

That was what I have been noticing. JPM uswd to wait in the centre just outside the oppo danger area. Whenever we had a freekick just by the centre circle the logic was to kick the ball towards JP for him to chase and attack but the player taking the freekick would either passed it sideways or backwards or the flank.

 

[ambrose7]

7 of our starting XI completely missed pre-season due to getting to international finals and have looked off the pace (esp. Guehi, Munoz) or had injury issues (Wharton, Lerma), likely as a result.

We sold 2 of the other 4.

We bought 3 players expected to be in the starting XI in the last 5 minutes of the window, prior to an international break, meaning the actual team we now have has trained together for about 3 weeks when every other club has had 3 months. As a result, the defence in particular look like they've never met. The next game will be another brand new defence (Lacroix, Guehi, Chalobah).

It will turn around but we're going to have to write off ~the first 10 games so we can forget about a top half finish already.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

After todays game 100% yes, its Vieira all over again, keep the formation, just change the personnel, it was so obvious to play Mateta and Nketiah as a pair in a 442, it was embarrassing, he is totally inflexible in his outlook, a trait that you cannot have at a club at our level.

 

[PatrickA]

I think there’s a valid argument to change our tactical approach to games.
This is not just based on today, but on our overall performances this season with our available players.

Every game we’re being outnumbered in midfield soldiering on with a clearly unfit Wharton meaning his central midfield partner is often having to battle 3 players single handed.
This means we’re not defending properly and not creating much as we don’t have good possession in the right areas.

We’ve also lost one of our key components of the system, Anderson, who was tailor made for the central role with his distribution from the back.
We’ve shifted Guehi to the role, where he does a job, but is less comfortable than on the left of the 3.
This in turn has affected Mitchell who no longer has Guehi covering him.

We are no longer capable of pressing as high, but are still leaving huge gaps in midfield for the opposition who have acres of space to run into unchallenged.

Time for 451 or 442 with a solid midfield to consolidate our position in games, become more competitive and try and string together a few results.

If we get the right players in the future there’s no objection to reverting to 343, but in my view it doesn’t suit the available current players.

 

[radicalsteve]

First half tactically naive, wrong set up and we were outplayed on the pitch and out-thought on the bench. There are many systemic issues, including a low value squad, the loss of Olise, Eze poor, Kamada a waste of wages, Doucoure injured, Wharton injured, and the players seemingly unprepared in the first halves and much of that reflects on the manager. You get the impression the players are "making it up" on the pitch, and playing as individuals rather than as a team. Question is, will the board stick or twist and when? My money is on a change at the next International break November 11 -19 if we are playing the same dross - but I hope not, Glasner deserves a bit more time, but the runway is not long based on our relegation standing. If not November, then January I guess. What do others think?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

First half tactically naive, wrong set up and we were outplayed on the pitch and out-thought on the bench. There are many systemic issues, including a low value squad, the loss of Olise, Eze poor, Kamada a waste of wages, Doucoure injured, Wharton injured, and the players seemingly unprepared in the first halves and much of that reflects on the manager. You get the impression the players are "making it up" on the pitch, and playing as individuals rather than as a team. Question is, will the board stick or twist and when? My money is on a change at the next International break November 11 -19 if we are playing the same dross - but I hope not, Glasner deserves a bit more time, but the runway is not long based on our relegation standing. If not November, then January I guess. What do others think?

I agree, and like it or not i think it will be Pardew

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I think there’s a valid argument to change our tactical approach to games.
This is not just based on today, but on our overall performances this season with our available players.

Every game we’re being outnumbered in midfield soldiering on with a clearly unfit Wharton meaning his central midfield partner is often having to battle 3 players single handed.
This means we’re not defending properly and not creating much as we don’t have good possession in the right areas.

We’ve also lost one of our key components of the system, Anderson, who was tailor made for the central role with his distribution from the back.
We’ve shifted Guehi to the role, where he does a job, but is less comfortable than on the left of the 3.
This in turn has affected Mitchell who no longer has Guehi covering him.

We are no longer capable of pressing as high, but are still leaving huge gaps in midfield for the opposition who have acres of space to run into unchallenged.

Time for 451 or 442 with a solid midfield to consolidate our position in games, become more competitive and try and string together a few results.

If we get the right players in the future there’s no objection to reverting to 343, but in my view it doesn’t suit the available current players.

Its the Stubbornness of Managers that amazes me, as you obviously say we haven't the players for that, and the signings don't add up to what we needed, Vieira with his two number 8s and a 6 in midfield was the same, flexibility is the key to a manager with a limited, but good squad.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

I agree, and like it or not i think it will be Pardew

Why's that Lanzo? Just because he was at today's game looking dapper doesn't mean he was having an interview with Mr P afterwards. Roy was there too, and despite Sutton trying to destabilise us, he'll definitely not be our next manager either.