Is Glasner the problem?

[NMPalace]

Sorry but thats rubbish. The amount of times I've heard that, we dont win yet lo and behold, we stay up.
I remember a few years ago the Sunderland home game was regarded by everyone as 'must win'. WE lost 5 0 was it? Stayed up and Sunderland went down.

it was 4.0, but i get your point.

Don't forget big Sam spent as much as he could in the transfer window around that time so we had 3 regular additions for the rest of the season that year. That clearly helped us stay up.

I suspect money will be tight this January so 1 or 2 incomings might be our limit.

 

[Willo]

it was 4.0, but i get your point.

Don't forget big Sam spent as much as he could in the transfer window around that time so we had 3 regular additions for the rest of the season that year. That clearly helped us stay up.

I suspect money will be tight this January so 1 or 2 incomings might be our limit.

The additions when 'Big Sam' was at the helm were Schlupp, Van Aanholt, Milivojevic and Sakho on Loan from Liverpool.

Allardyce joined after we had played 17 PL games and were sitting in 17th position. We ended the season in 14th place.

 

[Palacesince64]

I hope the manager and players don’t subscribe to this forum. The panty wetting has begun early this season! We will be fine. COYP!

 

[JHB]

Sorry but thats rubbish. The amount of times I've heard that, we dont win yet lo and behold, we stay up.
I remember a few years ago the Sunderland home game was regarded by everyone as 'must win'. WE lost 5 0 was it? Stayed up and Sunderland went down.

That season we had 4 more points after 11 games and were clear of the relegation zone. We also brought in three players who significantly improved the first team in PVA, Milivojevic and Sakho on loan. Even then we only got to 41 points and 6 clear of relegation.

So this season we have made a worse start and it is unlikely we have the funds to bring in three players who walk into the first team. As I say we are in trouble

 

[PatrickA]

We've got 27 games to get the 31 points which is the usual margin for safety (i.e a 38 total).I know the required total may be lower, but 38 is usually enough.

There are so many unknows; whether our key players stay fit, our moves in the January window, our results in games v teams at the bottom of the table (i.e 6 pointers).

The one thing I do feel sure of though is that we have to pick up some wins between now and the end of the year to avoid a mountain to climb in the new year.

Looking at the fixture list ,this would mean replicating the result against Spurs in forthcoming fixtures against some of the top teams we face before Christmas.

At the moment it looks like we have a struggle on our hands, but I had a similar feeling towards the end of last season.
I couldn't see where the goals were coming from, and then all of a sudden we couldn't stop scoring.

 

[JHB]

We've got 27 games to get the 31 points which is the usual margin for safety (i.e a 38 total).I know the required total may be lower, but 38 is usually enough.

There are so many unknows; whether our key players stay fit, our moves in the January window, our results in games v teams at the bottom of the table (i.e 6 pointers).

The one thing I do feel sure of though is that we have to pick up some wins between now and the end of the year to avoid a mountain to climb in the new year.

Looking at the fixture list ,this would mean replicating the result against Spurs in forthcoming fixtures against some of the top teams we face before Christmas.

At the moment it looks like we have a struggle on our hands, but I had a similar feeling towards the end of last season.
I couldn't see where the goals were coming from, and then all of a sudden we couldn't stop scoring.

yep. Almost like when one of the best young attacking players in world football came back to the line up our attack improved. The worry is this season we don’t have an Olise to come back. That means we are going to have to find a way to grind out some results. Let’s hope we can

 

[Palacesince64]

yep. Almost like when one of the best young attacking players in world football came back to the line up our attack improved. The worry is this season we don’t have an Olise to come back. That means we are going to have to find a way to grind out some results. Let’s hope we can

For years it was “we only win when Wilf plays”. Now apparently we were a one man team again last season. Olise played 19 games last season, 11 before his second hamstring and 8 after. We won 2 of the first 11 with him in the team, and 5 of 19 without him. Did he contribute significantly to the 6 wins in our last 8? Yes. Was it all down to Olise? Absolutely not. The team as a whole played well and Glasner brought the best out of the players.
Our current problem is a combination of loss of form, injuries and some bad luck. This team is capable of playing well without Olise, and of stringing together a run of decent results to get us clear of relegation.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Sorry but thats rubbish. The amount of times I've heard that, we dont win yet lo and behold, we stay up.
I remember a few years ago the Sunderland home game was regarded by everyone as 'must win'. WE lost 5 0 was it? Stayed up and Sunderland went down.

But over the years we have always had a general ie Jedinak, Delaney, Dann, McArthur, Luka,Gallagher ect with decent wingers Bolasie, Zaha, townsend ect to get us out of trouble, I'm not saying our current bunch ain't good enough but we just lack in some areas.

 

[ASCPFC]

But over the years we have always had a general ie Jedinak, Delaney, Dann, McArthur, Luka,Gallagher ect with decent wingers Bolasie, Zaha, townsend ect to get us out of trouble, I'm not saying our current bunch ain't good enough but we just lack in some areas.

I've heard we've quite a few dressing room agitators and I tend to believe it.

 

[JHB]

For years it was “we only win when Wilf plays”. Now apparently we were a one man team again last season. Olise played 19 games last season, 11 before his second hamstring and 8 after. We won 2 of the first 11 with him in the team, and 5 of 19 without him. Did he contribute significantly to the 6 wins in our last 8? Yes. Was it all down to Olise? Absolutely not. The team as a whole played well and Glasner brought the best out of the players.
Our current problem is a combination of loss of form, injuries and some bad luck. This team is capable of playing well without Olise, and of stringing together a run of decent results to get us clear of relegation.

Not a one man team but our attack was heavily dependent on Olise. We have not been able to generate much effective attacking play this season without him. Look at our goals record this season. Look at Glasner’s record for us without Olise, it is abysmal.

We were never going to be able to replace him like for like but we haven’t adapted to him leaving. Playing players out of position to try and maintain the same system hasn’t worked.

 

[MrRobbo]

Not a one man team but our attack was heavily dependent on Olise. We have not been able to generate much effective attacking play this season without him. Look at our goals record this season. Look at Glasner’s record for us without Olise, it is abysmal.

We were never going to be able to replace him like for like but we haven’t adapted to him leaving. Playing players out of position to try and maintain the same system hasn’t worked.

Not just Olise.

IMO Wharton was critical to our transitional play. As a result our build up is slow and laboured.

We'll have to grind out some performances, but when he's back this team will start to tick.

For me, the biggest mistake was delaying his opp.

 

[cROYdonrogers]

I've heard we've quite a few dressing room agitators and I tend to believe it.

We are certainly lacking leadership on the pitch. That is why it would have made sense to bring in Ward to the back three with so many injuries. That ship may have sailed with players returning to fitness. Anderson was a leader Guehi isn’t unfortunately.
So of the current crop it’s Hughes for me.

 

[silvertop]

it was 4.0, but i get your point.

Don't forget big Sam spent as much as he could in the transfer window around that time so we had 3 regular additions for the rest of the season that year. That clearly helped us stay up.

I suspect money will be tight this January so 1 or 2 incomings might be our limit.

He didn't spend a bean and I suspect had little to do with those acquisitions.

 

[silvertop]

We are certainly lacking leadership on the pitch. That is why it would have made sense to bring in Ward to the back three with so many injuries. That ship may have sailed with players returning to fitness. Anderson was a leader Guehi isn’t unfortunately.
So of the current crop it’s Hughes for me.

Some time captain of Palace and of the England u21?

 

[cROYdonrogers]

Some time captain of Palace and of the England u21?

A class player who we are fortunate to have, but don’t think he’s a great captain. See your point as does Glasner but I’d like a little more energy to the roll.

 

[est1905]

We were comprehensively defeated 4-0 by Sunderland at Selhurst Park whilst 'Big Sam' was in charge.

You are absolutely correct - we avoided the dreaded drop and Sunderland plummeted through the relegation trapdoor.

Thanks for the correction. I thought it was 5 0. Just felt like it at the time!

 

[est1905]

That season we had 4 more points after 11 games and were clear of the relegation zone. We also brought in three players who significantly improved the first team in PVA, Milivojevic and Sakho on loan. Even then we only got to 41 points and 6 clear of relegation.

So this season we have made a worse start and it is unlikely we have the funds to bring in three players who walk into the first team. As I say we are in trouble

In your opinion. Mine is we have had a terrible first third of the season and for numerous reasons at that.
We will get our best players fit and we will be fine.

We are not in trouble at this stage. Not at all.

 

[est1905]

Not just Olise.

IMO Wharton was critical to our transitional play. As a result our build up is slow and laboured.

We'll have to grind out some performances, but when he's back this team will start to tick.

For me, the biggest mistake was delaying his opp.

For me the key to a turn around in form is getting Wharton back to his best.

 

[JHB]

In your opinion. Mine is we have had a terrible first third of the season and for numerous reasons at that.
We will get our best players fit and we will be fine.

We are not in trouble at this stage. Not at all.

Fair enough. It’s all opinions and I hope you are right. Personally I think being in the relegation zone with only 7 points and 8 goals from 11 games is being in trouble. Out of interest what would you regard as being in trouble?

 

[MrRobbo]

Fair enough. It’s all opinions and I hope you are right. Personally I think being in the relegation zone with only 7 points and 8 goals from 11 games is being in trouble. Out of interest what would you regard as being in trouble?

I agree with est on this one.

A big part of where we are is due to injuries, and lots of new players getting used to the league. Statistically we should be higher up the table then we are (poor finishing the biggest culprit).

Even so, we've only lost games buy a goal or 2. Nobody is battering us.

Being in trouble would be cut adrift, having being able to put out our best team every week.