Is Glasner the problem?

[Nicholas91]

It’s all good reading in the absence of any football! Probably more entertaining than the football is at the moment.

I think we should retain the right to (digitally) scream and shout and one another, as long as it's all hugs and kisses at the end of the season 😍

 

[Rainforest]

It seems likely that a lot of our transfer business was predicated on the gamble of Newcastle caving in and paying the asking price for Guehi and had brought in replacements/cover expecting him to leave.
He might well go in January when we'll have LaCroix, Richards & Riad, who is something of an unknown entity.
If that combination doesn't work would Glasner persist with the current tactics or adjust them to suit the players we have or have brought in? Only time will tell.

Guehi would have gone if it was £60M but I felt Parish was greedy holding on £75M.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Guehi would have gone if it was £60M but I felt Parish was greedy holding on £75M.

I suppose there are two ways of looking at it. Either he was trying to maximise income or genuinely didn't want to lose the player. Maybe both.
At the same time it sent a message that we aren't going to get mugged off for our players when we have any say in the deal.

 

[Eagleman13]

I suppose there are two ways of looking at it. Either he was trying to maximise income or genuinely didn't want to lose the player. Maybe both.
At the same time it sent a message that we aren't going to get mugged off for our players when we have any say in the deal.

Whilst I agree with your last sentence, heard it rumoured he didn't want to go there.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Whilst I agree with your last sentence, heard it rumoured he didn't want to go there.

Who could blame him?

 

[est1905]

You have me all wrong, i dont want Glasner to be sacked per se, his formation and tactics are good, but somehow the last transfer list was terrible, Kamada, Nketiah and Sarr do not fit into his system, whether that is freedman's fault or glasners, i dont know, but the injuries have been terrible, but in the short term he needs to change the style, or we will be adrift after the next eight games, then its a case of a overhaul of players to fit in with him, or a change of manager to survive, he just needs to show some flexibility in the short term, if he doesn't he is a poor manager, pick the style for the players you have not vice versa, i hope he finds a way to improve results over the next 8 ganes, but i am not sure he will,

Fair enough

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Guehi would have gone if it was £60M but I felt Parish was greedy holding on £75M.

I dont agree with you there , i think Guehi just didnt want to go to Newcastle he would want to go to a better club than them .

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I dont agree with you there , i think Guehi just didnt want to go to Newcastle he would want to go to a better club than them .

Like Olise with Chelsea.

 

[PatrickA]

I know some Chelsea fans who last season thought Caceido was their worst ever expensive signing.
Now they think he's their best player along with Palmer.

I pride myself on being able to spot a good player, but have a fair share of failures on my record too.
At first I didn't rate Murray or Jedinak, for example, and on my first view of Wharton I wondered if he had the athleticism to get around the pitch.
In each case I'm pleased to say that I was proved wrong.

I would be very surprised if at least one or two of Nketiah, Sarr and Kamada don't show more than they are currently demonstrating, as unlikely as it currently seems.

 

[JHB]

I know some Chelsea fans who last season thought Caceido was their worst ever expensive signing.
Now they think he's their best player along with Palmer.

I pride myself on being able to spot a good player, but have a fair share of failures on my record too.
At first I didn't rate Murray or Jedinak, for example, and on my first view of Wharton I wondered if he had the athleticism to get around the pitch.
In each case I'm pleased to say that I was proved wrong.

I would be very surprised if at least one or two of Nketiah, Sarr and Kamada don't show more than they are currently demonstrating, as unlikely as it currently seems.

I hope you are right. Poor as he’s been for us Kamada does have a decent track record which makes you think he might come good even if it seems unlikely. Nketiah and Sarr don’t really have that track record. I think what we are likely to see from them is what we’ve seen through their careers. The occasional very good performance punctuating longs spells of mediocre ones.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Like Olise with Chelsea.

Nah i reckon Olise is just a cungry hunt

 

[dreamwaverider]

I suppose there are two ways of looking at it. Either he was trying to maximise income or genuinely didn't want to lose the player. Maybe both.
At the same time it sent a message that we aren't going to get mugged off for our players when we have any say in the deal.

Bit like happened with Zaha you mean?
We allegedly turned down £60m for him and look what happened 18 months later.
Like I already posted, we are not wheeler dealers.
We are hoarders who are not great at selling.
We need to take a lesson from the Brighton owner, although he really is a one off, so far.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Bit like happened with Zaha you mean?
We allegedly turned down £60m for him and look what happened 18 months later.
Like I already posted, we are not wheeler dealers.
We are hoarders who are not great at selling.
We need to take a lesson from the Brighton owner, although he really is a one off, so far.

It's a difficult balance to achieve. As you say Brighton have managed the situation but other clubs who've tried the same have come unstuck. Surely we'd all rather hold on to our best players rather than cash in on them and rely on finding suitable affordable replacements but of course the money swilling around at the top end makes it difficult.

 

[JHB]

It's a difficult balance to achieve. As you say Brighton have managed the situation but other clubs who've tried the same have come unstuck. Surely we'd all rather hold on to our best players rather than cash in on them and rely on finding suitable affordable replacements but of course the money swilling around at the top end makes it difficult.

Agreed it is a very difficult balance. Yes we turned down good money for some players but then there’s ones like Bolasie to Everton where we cashed in at exactly the right time.

 

[doombear]

Agreed it is a very difficult balance. Yes we turned down good money for some players but then there’s ones like Bolasie to Everton where we cashed in at exactly the right time.

As we did also with Wan-Bissaka. You win some and you lose some. It's the same with purchases. On the whole, Freedman has got us decent players since he took over, but, of course there are duds and as things look at present, this last window is looking pretty bad in contrast to the Summer of 2021 and last January's window.

 

[braunstoneagle]

i would really nice if just for once, we could just take the bad form on the chin & keep a manager who really seems to have something about him for a prolonged period of time…its not OG’s fault we cant replace olise.

i think he is doing a brilliant job, and will be dissapointed if we sacked him to employ moyes.

 

[PatrickA]

Interesting observation from another forum which I largely agree with.
It's possible to believe Glasner is a decent manager while at the same time highlighting mistakes which he needs to minimise going forward if we are to progress.

 

[JHB]

Interesting observation from another forum which I largely agree with.
It's possible to believe Glasner is a decent manager while at the same time highlighting mistakes which he needs to minimise going forward if we are to progress.

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This gets a the nub of the issue. When it all clicks for Glasner, like at the end of last season, then it is great. When it doesn’t, like this season, then it is awful. What he can’t seem to do is find ways to get results unless everything is in place and players are all in form. His tactical inflexibility means that if he loses even one player from his system it then doesn’t work. The question is how long you wait until it clicks again? We are already over a quarter of the way into the season and I don’t see it coming good under OG unless we overhaul the squad in January. By then it will most likely be far too late to save us.

 

[Willo]

This gets a the nub of the issue. When it all clicks for Glasner, like at the end of last season, then it is great. When it doesn’t, like this season, then it is awful. What he can’t seem to do is find ways to get results unless everything is in place and players are all in form. His tactical inflexibility means that if he loses even one player from his system it then doesn’t work. The question is how long you wait until it clicks again? We are already over a quarter of the way into the season and I don’t see it coming good under OG unless we overhaul the squad in January. By then it will most likely be far too late to save us.

The 'Mood music' appears to be that fortunes must be revived sooner rather than later for Glasner to remain at the helm.
We are in the relegation zone and a continuation of disappointing results could be catastrophic.
I of course hope he succeeds as such an outcome will be in all of our interests.

 

[ex hibitionist]

I take the point that there have been substitutions which have made us worse rather than better, but there will have been others which improved us and helped to get us the result though I admit none immediately spring to mind, but the good run last season was not just about seven games, you could see it coming before we won at Anfield. Injuries and poor recruitment are the main reasons for our poor form, Glasner has also been too loyal to both his system and Kamada. He doesn't need all the injured players back to make us click again: two from Eze, Wharton, Lerma, Doucoure would be enough, we've missed Richards as well who seems to be improving and who can deputise when the midfield has been as depleted as it has been, and Franca would have got games instead of Sarr. Ollie's not going to get you a Danny Butterfield hattrick, but he can set up the team tactically to get results against top sides, as he did at home to Spurs this season, and at Liverpool last season, and not forgetting how we snuffed out Newcastle at home. He's still learning about this league so he will make mistakes to go with all the great stuff we saw last season. It's a terrible run of games coming up, but once we get our best players back we can find the cracks in teams like Arsenal and City like other teams hace done.