Is Glasner the problem?

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Interesting observation from another forum which I largely agree with.
It's possible to believe Glasner is a decent manager while at the same time highlighting mistakes which he needs to minimise going forward if we are to progress.

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[MrRobbo]

This gets a the nub of the issue. When it all clicks for Glasner, like at the end of last season, then it is great. When it doesn’t, like this season, then it is awful. What he can’t seem to do is find ways to get results unless everything is in place and players are all in form. His tactical inflexibility means that if he loses even one player from his system it then doesn’t work. The question is how long you wait until it clicks again? We are already over a quarter of the way into the season and I don’t see it coming good under OG unless we overhaul the squad in January. By then it will most likely be far too late to save us.

Lets not forget that we got our mojo back against a pretty decent spurs team, beat Villa away in the cup.

Lost Eze and Wharton, and then drew with Wolves.

Then lost Nketiah and Hughes.

Its really hard to lay all of the issues at OG's door.

 

[JHB]

Lets not forget that we got our mojo back against a pretty decent spurs team, beat Villa away in the cup.

Lost Eze and Wharton, and then drew with Wolves.

Then lost Nketiah and Hughes.

Its really hard to lay all of the issues at OG's door.

Yes clearly we can’t lay all the issues at his door. Difficult for him to control injuries and of course we all know about the summer transfers. However, it is fair to point out some of his decisions have not helped. For example playing Eze and Wharton at Villa was, on balance, a mistake given our league position and squad depth. I am also not sure that Wolves result was all that. Given their form a draw was really the minimum expectation. I will give you that the performance in attack in that games was much better though.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Yes clearly we can’t lay all the issues at his door. Difficult for him to control injuries and of course we all know about the summer transfers. However, it is fair to point out some of his decisions have not helped. For example playing Eze and Wharton at Villa was, on balance, a mistake given our league position and squad depth. I am also not sure that Wolves result was all that. Given their form a draw was really the minimum expectation. I will give you that the performance in attack in that games was much better though.

Where I agree with your point, I disagree with both of the examples you have used to illustrate your point!
A cup run, was (most likely) part of OGs targets for this season even coming from SP and Co(probably), so it's likely that he had little choice in playing Eze and Wharton et al.
Wolves form was actually really good in the run up, but their points tally had not really reflected that. There have been pundit comments suggesting that they have been unlucky not to have picked up more points by now (kinda like us).

 

[Willo]

Where I agree with your point, I disagree with both of the examples you have used to illustrate your point!
A cup run, was (most likely) part of OGs targets for this season even coming from SP and Co(probably), so it's likely that he had little choice in playing Eze and Wharton et al.
Wolves form was actually really good in the run up, but their points tally had not really reflected that. There have been pundit comments suggesting that they have been unlucky not to have picked up more points by now (kinda like us).

Their opening 8 fixtures included encounters against Arsenal,Chelsea, Liverpool, Man C, Newcastle and A.Villa.
A Wolves supporter concluded that their fixture schedule was compiled by a WBA supporter !

 

[JHB]

Where I agree with your point, I disagree with both of the examples you have used to illustrate your point!
A cup run, was (most likely) part of OGs targets for this season even coming from SP and Co(probably), so it's likely that he had little choice in playing Eze and Wharton et al.
Wolves form was actually really good in the run up, but their points tally had not really reflected that. There have been pundit comments suggesting that they have been unlucky not to have picked up more points by now (kinda like us).

I can see both sides of the Villa line up question. However, I was surprised to see our first choice team playing given where we were in the League. Especially so Eze who is our only creative attacker and the player we really can’t afford to be out. There is nobody in the squad who can replace him in any meaningful sense. Even if a cup run was the target I am surprised Glasner didn’t flex that given I am sure staying in the Premier League was a much bigger target.

 

[NEILLO]

I can see both sides of the Villa line up question. However, I was surprised to see our first choice team playing given where we were in the League. Especially so Eze who is our only creative attacker and the player we really can’t afford to be out. There is nobody in the squad who can replace him in any meaningful sense. Even if a cup run was the target I am surprised Glasner didn’t flex that given I am sure staying in the Premier League was a much bigger target.

Glasner also wanted the back three partnership to have another outing so that they can continue to get used to one another.

As a club we seem to be sh*t or bust when it comes to Cups. Throw the towel in and select a group of fringe players as we did under Roy, or actually try to compete as we are doing under Glasner.

I very much doubt that Glasner thought he had to make prioritisation given that it was only October when the game was played.

 

[JHB]

Glasner also wanted the back three partnership to have another outing so that they can continue to get used to one another.

As a club we seem to be sh*t or bust when it comes to Cups. Throw the towel in and select a group of fringe players as we did under Roy, or actually try to compete as we are doing under Glasner.

I very much doubt that Glasner thought he had to make prioritisation given that it was only October when the game was played.

As I say I can see both sides and I am not suggesting he picked 11 youth team players. However, starting a player carrying an injury and another one who is key to the squad, who also has no credible back up, seems very risky. Especially when we’d had such a port start and desperately need league points.

 

[Palacesince64]

As I say I can see both sides and I am not suggesting he picked 11 youth team players. However, starting a player carrying an injury and another one who is key to the squad, who also has no credible back up, seems very risky. Especially when we’d had such a port start and desperately need league points.

I accept Wharton was a risk given his ongoing issue, but the odds against Eze picking up an injury in the Wolves game were pretty high. It’s just another example of the sh*t luck we’ve had so far this season. When it comes to that old saying that it’s better to be lucky than good, unfortunately Ollie might be the latter but certainly isn’t the former!

 

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Lets not forget that we got our mojo back against a pretty decent spurs team, beat Villa away in the cup.

Lost Eze and Wharton, and then drew with Wolves.

Then lost Nketiah and Hughes.

Its really hard to lay all of the issues at OG's door.

I think the words clutching and straws spring to mind. it is not the players its the tactics, two banks of four keep it solid and hope.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Lets face it, hes not gonna change formation so lets hope we can get our injured players back. Villa away will be tough, Newcastle and ipswich are must win games.

 

[Jacey]

Lets face it, hes not gonna change formation so lets hope we can get our injured players back. Villa away will be tough, Newcastle and ipswich are must win games.

Just win games??

Would not be at all surprised if we manage a solitary point at best in the next three games as we further consolidate our place in the bottom three.

 

[MrRobbo]

Didn't think we'd beat Spurs, but we did!

 

[JHB]

Just win games??

Would not be at all surprised if we manage a solitary point at best in the next three games as we further consolidate our place in the bottom three.

I can see that as well but unless we get to Xmas having doubled our current points tally it might be a position that is irrecoverable. We are already at the point where we need to win one in every three games to have a realistic chance of staying up. That already looks like a very difficult challenge. Not saying this applies to you but I think some people are in denial about just how much trouble we are in.

 

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Didn't think we'd beat Spurs, but we did!

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

 

[beak]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

I think you have the answer we field eleven blind squirrels every week. 😊 😆

 

[pssguy]

I would be very surprised if at least one or two of Nketiah, Sarr and Kamada don't show more than they are currently demonstrating, as unlikely as it currently seems.

They have been so goddamn awful, TBH, it would be difficult to believe they won't get better. I might exclude Kamada from that list. He seems to be one of the lightweight foreign midfielders the Palace hierarchy fall for every few years; see Meyer and Campana

 

[est1905]

Lets face it, hes not gonna change formation so lets hope we can get our injured players back. Villa away will be tough, Newcastle and ipswich are must win games.

Sorry but thats rubbish. The amount of times I've heard that, we dont win yet lo and behold, we stay up.
I remember a few years ago the Sunderland home game was regarded by everyone as 'must win'. WE lost 5 0 was it? Stayed up and Sunderland went down.

 

[est1905]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

This is just a silly comment. Are you suggesting we accidentally beat Spurs? Or somehow got lucky? We played well that day and deserved the victory. Just as we deserved to beat Villa. We were also by far the better team against Wolves and should have been out of sight by half time.

 

[Willo]

Sorry but thats rubbish. The amount of times I've heard that, we dont win yet lo and behold, we stay up.
I remember a few years ago the Sunderland home game was regarded by everyone as 'must win'. WE lost 5 0 was it? Stayed up and Sunderland went down.

We were comprehensively defeated 4-0 by Sunderland at Selhurst Park whilst 'Big Sam' was in charge.

You are absolutely correct - we avoided the dreaded drop and Sunderland plummeted through the relegation trapdoor.