Is Glasner the problem?

[NEILLO]

You are correct he did say that, and also That the tactics he prefers he will stick with.

So that begs the question ; is this your version of '' I'll stick with the formation no matter what '' ?

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

So that begs the question ; is this your version of '' I'll stick with the formation no matter what '' ?

No, do you think he just did one after match interview, he said '' I'll stick with the formation no matter what '' in the one i saw, and guess what he has played that formation in every match so far and at Frankfurt, can you stop boring me to death now.

 

[Willo]

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The tactics that took him to European glory​

At Frankfurt, Glasner adopted a similar playing style to previous manager Adi Hütter - deploying a 3-4-2-1 formation, which develops into more of a 3-2-5 during attacking play.

Within Glasner’s tactics, the defensive line of three work with the goalkeeper to build play from the back, with the two central midfielders sitting deeper to offer an option when required. The wing-backs push on into advanced positions to provide the connection between defence and attack in wider areas.

Defensively, Glasner’s Frankfurt remained very compact as a back three, with the majority of the defensive pressing being done by the holding midfielders or the wing-backs. Against stronger opponents, the wing-backs were asked to ‘sit in’ more, making the defensive shape more of a 5-2-3. In games like this, the holding midfielders were asked to press higher, win the ball back and facilitate a counterattack.

The defensive style of Frankfurt under Glasner used zonal marking - working within groups to counter-press their opponents efficiently, winning the ball back as high as possible.

 

[ASCPFC]

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The tactics that took him to European glory​

At Frankfurt, Glasner adopted a similar playing style to previous manager Adi Hütter - deploying a 3-4-2-1 formation, which develops into more of a 3-2-5 during attacking play.

Within Glasner’s tactics, the defensive line of three work with the goalkeeper to build play from the back, with the two central midfielders sitting deeper to offer an option when required. The wing-backs push on into advanced positions to provide the connection between defence and attack in wider areas.

Defensively, Glasner’s Frankfurt remained very compact as a back three, with the majority of the defensive pressing being done by the holding midfielders or the wing-backs. Against stronger opponents, the wing-backs were asked to ‘sit in’ more, making the defensive shape more of a 5-2-3. In games like this, the holding midfielders were asked to press higher, win the ball back and facilitate a counterattack.

The defensive style of Frankfurt under Glasner used zonal marking - working within groups to counter-press their opponents efficiently, winning the ball back as high as possible.

Just had a quick look at Frankfurt and they have Marmoush on the left, he's scored 11 goals in 10 appearances this season. Crazy.
Also noticed they have a striker I believe we were linked to Ekitike or something like that. 22 and starting to get a decent record.

 

[PatrickA]

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The tactics that took him to European glory​

At Frankfurt, Glasner adopted a similar playing style to previous manager Adi Hütter - deploying a 3-4-2-1 formation, which develops into more of a 3-2-5 during attacking play.

Within Glasner’s tactics, the defensive line of three work with the goalkeeper to build play from the back, with the two central midfielders sitting deeper to offer an option when required. The wing-backs push on into advanced positions to provide the connection between defence and attack in wider areas.

Defensively, Glasner’s Frankfurt remained very compact as a back three, with the majority of the defensive pressing being done by the holding midfielders or the wing-backs. Against stronger opponents, the wing-backs were asked to ‘sit in’ more, making the defensive shape more of a 5-2-3. In games like this, the holding midfielders were asked to press higher, win the ball back and facilitate a counterattack.

The defensive style of Frankfurt under Glasner used zonal marking - working within groups to counter-press their opponents efficiently, winning the ball back as high as possible.

You can definitely see parallels with how Palace play.

I would argue though that with Palace this season the two central midfielders don't necessarily sit deep.
This means when they are bypassed the opposition have a free run at our back 3 and we have been exposed quite a few times this season on the counter.

Our front 3 haven't pressed well this season and we haven't retained possession well enough to pin teams.

It seems to me there are no half measures with Glasner’s system.
For it to function properly all parts have to work smoothly (as it did at the end of last season).
It also needs the glue of Wharton (or equivalent) to link the play.

 

[park the bus]

Just had a quick look at Frankfurt and they have Marmoush on the left, he's scored 11 goals in 10 appearances this season. Crazy.
Also noticed they have a striker I believe we were linked to Ekitike or something like that. 22 and starting to get a decent record.

Like a cryptic crossword clue: Nketiah anagram twin brother almost...

 

[est1905]

One big difference from us to Brighton is that Tony Bloom is like a successful second hand car trader, he buys and sells fast and efficiently. We are like some kind of second hand furniture salesman who hoards most of their stock which anyway drops in value.
Plus, Bloom is a billionaire and owns the club outright.

Whats the obsession with Brighton? What have they got to do with anything?
Its like saying 'one big difference with us and Birmingham City...'
Who cares about Brighton? They've been below us in every way for donkey's years. So they are doing better than us right now for probably the only time in their history. So what?

 

[est1905]

Sarr and Nketiah are playing to the level of their whole careers. Neither is a youngster with lots of upside. These are the players they are. Sarr I can understand as a purchase but he should have been as a squad player. Nketiah I don’t understand at all. £25m for a player with a poor goal scoring record who isn’t good enough to feature in our best eleven. Really poor piece of business

I agree. We have been linked with him for a few years now and I've never seen what's so special about him. We'd all love to see him suddenly find some form but I dont see it. I dont rate him personally.

 

[est1905]

Bein sport is an illegal channel, there is no link, but the interview is also on some European channels apparently which i didn't see, but i saw the Bein sports link

So with this being an illegal channel I'm guessing it was piggy backed off of the stream of a legal one? So you cant find the link for that? Otherwise we're talking about an unofficial quote because it was made on an unrecognised platform.
This doesn't sound like a point thats on solid enough ground to pin your viewpoint to?

As mentioned before, if he did say he wont change his tactics/formation 'no matter what' I very much doubt he meant it literally. For every single game. Seems you are just opting to conveniently believe that because you feel it strengthens your view.
Listen, I've said before, we're all entitled to our opinion. Yours is quite obvious. You have disliked Glasner from the start and want him gone. I'm really not sure why. His credentials in the short time he has been coaching stack up against any other coach in the division. His time is not yet over at Palace so he cannot be judged on his time in South London. Everywhere else he has gone he has been a success. Some places a massive success. You dismissed his winning of the Europa League as nothing. This exposes your either lack of knowledge or blinkered determination to downplay Glasner. Its a very very difficult competition to win. Prehaps even harder than the Champions League. His team didn't just show up on the day of the final and have only to beat Rangers as you suggested in a previous post.
Glasner is a winner when scrutinizing his previous jobs. Back end of last season there were circumstances that helped that great run of results. Olise being one of them. Doesn't this prove that if he has the tools he will get the results? Another reason you yourself have given is opposition teams were on the beach when we played them. I dont buy that at all. Most of those teams either had something still to play for as well as club prize money being an issue. Many on here conveniently forget how worried they were when Roy's time was coming to an end. How our league position was average but our points total poor. Was it not Glasner that arrested that slide and got the club up the table and well away from danger? Or is it the Players when we do well and the manager when we do badly?
We have had a bad first third of the season, no doubt. Am I saying still with him regardless? Of course not. NO one is saying that. But whether you or I like it or not there are genuine reasons why this has happened. Players leaving, New players not signed quick enough, crippling injury list, no left sided defensive cover. The list goes on and on. The owners are more of the problem here than the manager. Recruitment has not been great but worse than that the policy of how we recruit has to change. Signing players right at the very end of the window to save a few quid on wages screams of small club mentality. We all know, even you have to admit Glasner was dead against that at the time and has said so more than once.

The guy needs to be given a fair chance. That for me means at least until Jan 1st. He'll need to pick up some points in the meantime and show everyone his system is showing signs of working. If so he then needs to be given more tools in January to do the job. If he fails to improve results by then he'll have to go. If that happens we are not talking good news here. It'll be a fire fighter manager. Counter attacking football, only seeing 20% of the ball. Our attacking players starved of any service. Basically the rince and repeat we've had with Pulis, Allardyce, Roy..
Glasner deserves a fair chance. If he pulls it off we'll all enjoy the football more and we'll have proper continuity. Not just a safe pair of hands.

 

[est1905]

It seems likely that a lot of our transfer business was predicated on the gamble of Newcastle caving in and paying the asking price for Guehi and had brought in replacements/cover expecting him to leave.
He might well go in January when we'll have LaCroix, Richards & Riad, who is something of an unknown entity.
If that combination doesn't work would Glasner persist with the current tactics or adjust them to suit the players we have or have brought in? Only time will tell.

Guehi will not be leaving in January. Neither will Eze.

 

[park the bus]

But whether you or I like it or not there are genuine reasons why this has happened. Players leaving, New players not signed quick enough, crippling injury list, no left sided defensive cover. The list goes on and on. The owners are more of the problem here than the manager. Recruitment has not been great but worse than that the policy of how we recruit has to change. Signing players right at the very end of the window to save a few quid on wages screams of small club mentality. We all know, even you have to admit Glasner was dead against that at the time and has said so more than once.

Absolutely. It's not a coincidence that all our managers have been hampered by the owner's methods in the transfer market. Some might say "Oh, but they don't have such a large transfer kitty and have to spend prudently". To which one could answer with a long list of complete duffers that have been brought in over the last 11 seasons, the latest of which are the mediocre Nketiah and Sarr, and not cheaply either!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

So with this being an illegal channel I'm guessing it was piggy backed off of the stream of a legal one? So you cant find the link for that? Otherwise we're talking about an unofficial quote because it was made on an unrecognised platform.
This doesn't sound like a point thats on solid enough ground to pin your viewpoint to?

As mentioned before, if he did say he wont change his tactics/formation 'no matter what' I very much doubt he meant it literally. For every single game. Seems you are just opting to conveniently believe that because you feel it strengthens your view.
Listen, I've said before, we're all entitled to our opinion. Yours is quite obvious. You have disliked Glasner from the start and want him gone. I'm really not sure why. His credentials in the short time he has been coaching stack up against any other coach in the division. His time is not yet over at Palace so he cannot be judged on his time in South London. Everywhere else he has gone he has been a success. Some places a massive success. You dismissed his winning of the Europa League as nothing. This exposes your either lack of knowledge or blinkered determination to downplay Glasner. Its a very very difficult competition to win. Prehaps even harder than the Champions League. His team didn't just show up on the day of the final and have only to beat Rangers as you suggested in a previous post.
Glasner is a winner when scrutinizing his previous jobs. Back end of last season there were circumstances that helped that great run of results. Olise being one of them. Doesn't this prove that if he has the tools he will get the results? Another reason you yourself have given is opposition teams were on the beach when we played them. I dont buy that at all. Most of those teams either had something still to play for as well as club prize money being an issue. Many on here conveniently forget how worried they were when Roy's time was coming to an end. How our league position was average but our points total poor. Was it not Glasner that arrested that slide and got the club up the table and well away from danger? Or is it the Players when we do well and the manager when we do badly?
We have had a bad first third of the season, no doubt. Am I saying still with him regardless? Of course not. NO one is saying that. But whether you or I like it or not there are genuine reasons why this has happened. Players leaving, New players not signed quick enough, crippling injury list, no left sided defensive cover. The list goes on and on. The owners are more of the problem here than the manager. Recruitment has not been great but worse than that the policy of how we recruit has to change. Signing players right at the very end of the window to save a few quid on wages screams of small club mentality. We all know, even you have to admit Glasner was dead against that at the time and has said so more than once.

The guy needs to be given a fair chance. That for me means at least until Jan 1st. He'll need to pick up some points in the meantime and show everyone his system is showing signs of working. If so he then needs to be given more tools in January to do the job. If he fails to improve results by then he'll have to go. If that happens we are not talking good news here. It'll be a fire fighter manager. Counter attacking football, only seeing 20% of the ball. Our attacking players starved of any service. Basically the rince and repeat we've had with Pulis, Allardyce, Roy..
Glasner deserves a fair chance. If he pulls it off we'll all enjoy the football more and we'll have proper continuity. Not just a safe pair of hands.

You have me all wrong, i dont want Glasner to be sacked per se, his formation and tactics are good, but somehow the last transfer list was terrible, Kamada, Nketiah and Sarr do not fit into his system, whether that is freedman's fault or glasners, i dont know, but the injuries have been terrible, but in the short term he needs to change the style, or we will be adrift after the next eight games, then its a case of a overhaul of players to fit in with him, or a change of manager to survive, he just needs to show some flexibility in the short term, if he doesn't he is a poor manager, pick the style for the players you have not vice versa, i hope he finds a way to improve results over the next 8 ganes, but i am not sure he will,

 

[MrRobbo]

You have me all wrong, i dont want Glasner to be sacked per se, his formation and tactics are good, but somehow the last transfer list was terrible, Kamada, Nketiah and Sarr do not fit into his system, whether that is freedman's fault or glasners, i dont know, but the injuries have been terrible, but in the short term he needs to change the style, or we will be adrift after the next eight games, then its a case of a overhaul of players to fit in with him, or a change of manager to survive, he just needs to show some flexibility in the short term, if he doesn't he is a poor manager, pick the style for the players you have not vice versa, i hope he finds a way to improve results over the next 8 ganes, but i am not sure he will,

Partly agree, partly disagree. The issue is how they have been used (mostly due to injuries)

Kamada's role is on the bench as an Eze back up

Nketiah's role is as an Edouard replacement

Sarr plays on the right, and adds stretching pace to the front line. He'll be much more effective when Wharton is back in and now Munoz is starting to find a little form

 

[JHB]

Partly agree, partly disagree. The issue is how they have been used (mostly due to injuries)

Kamada's role is on the bench as an Eze back up

Nketiah's role is as an Edouard replacement

Sarr plays on the right, and adds stretching pace to the front line. He'll be much more effective when Wharton is back in and now Munoz is starting to find a little form

I think you are right about what each player is there for. Just makes the £25m spent on Nketiah look even worse. £25m for a replacement back up player is poor business, especially when his contribution so far is not an upgrade

 

[NEILLO]

You have me all wrong, i dont want Glasner to be sacked per se, his formation and tactics are good, but somehow the last transfer list was terrible, Kamada, Nketiah and Sarr do not fit into his system, whether that is freedman's fault or glasners, i dont know, but the injuries have been terrible, but in the short term he needs to change the style, or we will be adrift after the next eight games, then its a case of a overhaul of players to fit in with him, or a change of manager to survive, he just needs to show some flexibility in the short term, if he doesn't he is a poor manager, pick the style for the players you have not vice versa, i hope he finds a way to improve results over the next 8 ganes, but i am not sure he will,

A friendly piece of advice.

Make sure your passwords are stored securely.

Because someone, under your username, posted ;

For real change we either have to change the way we play or change the manager.
I don't believe playing the same way will get us the results and the 30+ points we need.

'' That is the bottom line, the first one wont happen, so the second one has to happen now, he is becoming an embarrassment with his inflexibility and his press conference calamities. ''

And also ;

''Its simple the longer Glasner stays as manager with his pathetic "I'll play this formation no matter what" the quicker we are heading for relegation, that statement on its own deserves the sack, i think Rome and Nero sum up the Board. it will not change until he goes ''

I'd also recommend changing your password now before this hacker can do any further damage 😀

 

[CrazyBadger]

So with this being an illegal channel I'm guessing it was piggy backed off of the stream of a legal one? So you cant find the link for that? Otherwise we're talking about an unofficial quote because it was made on an unrecognised platform.
This doesn't sound like a point thats on solid enough ground to pin your viewpoint to?

As mentioned before, if he did say he wont change his tactics/formation 'no matter what' I very much doubt he meant it literally. For every single game. Seems you are just opting to conveniently believe that because you feel it strengthens your view.
Listen, I've said before, we're all entitled to our opinion. Yours is quite obvious. You have disliked Glasner from the start and want him gone. I'm really not sure why. His credentials in the short time he has been coaching stack up against any other coach in the division. His time is not yet over at Palace so he cannot be judged on his time in South London. Everywhere else he has gone he has been a success. Some places a massive success. You dismissed his winning of the Europa League as nothing. This exposes your either lack of knowledge or blinkered determination to downplay Glasner. Its a very very difficult competition to win. Prehaps even harder than the Champions League. His team didn't just show up on the day of the final and have only to beat Rangers as you suggested in a previous post.
Glasner is a winner when scrutinizing his previous jobs. Back end of last season there were circumstances that helped that great run of results. Olise being one of them. Doesn't this prove that if he has the tools he will get the results? Another reason you yourself have given is opposition teams were on the beach when we played them. I dont buy that at all. Most of those teams either had something still to play for as well as club prize money being an issue. Many on here conveniently forget how worried they were when Roy's time was coming to an end. How our league position was average but our points total poor. Was it not Glasner that arrested that slide and got the club up the table and well away from danger? Or is it the Players when we do well and the manager when we do badly?
We have had a bad first third of the season, no doubt. Am I saying still with him regardless? Of course not. NO one is saying that. But whether you or I like it or not there are genuine reasons why this has happened. Players leaving, New players not signed quick enough, crippling injury list, no left sided defensive cover. The list goes on and on. The owners are more of the problem here than the manager. Recruitment has not been great but worse than that the policy of how we recruit has to change. Signing players right at the very end of the window to save a few quid on wages screams of small club mentality. We all know, even you have to admit Glasner was dead against that at the time and has said so more than once.

The guy needs to be given a fair chance. That for me means at least until Jan 1st. He'll need to pick up some points in the meantime and show everyone his system is showing signs of working. If so he then needs to be given more tools in January to do the job. If he fails to improve results by then he'll have to go. If that happens we are not talking good news here. It'll be a fire fighter manager. Counter attacking football, only seeing 20% of the ball. Our attacking players starved of any service. Basically the rince and repeat we've had with Pulis, Allardyce, Roy..
Glasner deserves a fair chance. If he pulls it off we'll all enjoy the football more and we'll have proper continuity. Not just a safe pair of hands.

I agree with all of this.... and previous to this I thought that he had won the Europa Conference League with Frankfurt, which really is a Mickey mouse Cup. but I now realise that he won the Europa league, beating teams such as wet Spam and RB Leipzig, oh, and also a tiny outfit called Barcelona, where they were 3-0 up in the camp nou after 67mins.

 

[ASCPFC]

A friendly piece of advice.

Make sure your passwords are stored securely.

Because someone, under your username, posted ;


'' That is the bottom line, the first one wont happen, so the second one has to happen now, he is becoming an embarrassment with his inflexibility and his press conference calamities. ''

And also ;

''Its simple the longer Glasner stays as manager with his pathetic "I'll play this formation no matter what" the quicker we are heading for relegation, that statement on its own deserves the sack, i think Rome and Nero sum up the Board. it will not change until he goes ''

I'd also recommend changing your password now before this hacker can do any further damage 😀

It's really not worth continuing to argue about. We're probably more tetchy due to sh1t results. I think I've probably argued with you both over the years about something or another but I don't have any particular memory about what it was about. Anyway - still Palace supporters - so mates in my book. And mates can fall out the odd time, of course
When I was arguing with you - believe you me, I was most likely having a bad day/week! These things happen, of course.

 

[Nicholas91]

It's really not worth continuing to argue about. We're probably more tetchy due to sh1t results. I think I've probably argued with you both over the years about something or another but I don't have any particular memory about what it was about. Anyway - still Palace supporters - so mates in my book. And mates can fall out the odd time, of course
When I was arguing with you - believe you me, I was most likely having a bad day/week! These things happen, of course.

We should enshrine this comment and put it somewhere on the board for a bit of context sometimes.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

A friendly piece of advice.

Make sure your passwords are stored securely.

Because someone, under your username, posted ;


'' That is the bottom line, the first one wont happen, so the second one has to happen now, he is becoming an embarrassment with his inflexibility and his press conference calamities. ''

And also ;

''Its simple the longer Glasner stays as manager with his pathetic "I'll play this formation no matter what" the quicker we are heading for relegation, that statement on its own deserves the sack, i think Rome and Nero sum up the Board. it will not change until he goes ''

I'd also recommend changing your password now before this hacker can do any further damage 😀

If you read what i posted i said if he stays with the same tactics we will get relegated, if he changes we have a chance, only Parish knows his position on tactics, change stay for the moment, if not out now, my last word on the subject.

 

[Davepalace707]

We should enshrine this comment and put it somewhere on the board for a bit of context sometimes.

It’s all good reading in the absence of any football! Probably more entertaining than the football is at the moment.