Immigration

Spindle said:
Well the man doesn't understand what represented democracy is. What a prat, he'll turn Ireland into the Swiss system which runs dozens of referendums for everything, highly inefficient.
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McGregor is an awful tw@t. However, on this case he does have a valid point. We have had politicians signing mad unpopular stuff for decades in Ireland.

- the morocco treaty on asylum seekers
- compulsory purchase Orders for housing

- the relationship between the Cops and people protesting in the street
- the bank bailout during the Financial crisis

- US Warplanes at Shannon Airport
- the Lisbon Treaty

- Gender identity politics being introduced into the Schools curriculum.

- aid to the military intervention in Ukraine.
- International Protection & asylum seekers........like the village of Dundrum, Co Tipperary..totally swamped.

When your Parliament goes Rogue, you need to rein them in. In the case of at least one of the points above*, 99% of the population were against it in a Large representative Opinion Poll.



*guess which one, and i might tell you later.
 
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Spindle said:
Well the man doesn't understand what represented democracy is. What a prat, he'll turn Ireland into the Swiss system which runs dozens of referendums for everything, highly inefficient.
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Don't care.

The guy is a warrior who actually cares about his people instead of foreigners.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
McGregor is an awful tw@t. However, on this case he does have a valid point. We have had politicians signing mad unpopular stuff for decades in Ireland.

- the morocco treaty on asylum seekers
- compulsory purchase Orders for housing

- the relationship between the Cops and people protesting in the street
- the bank bailout during the Financial crisis

- US Warplanes at Shannon Airport
- the Lisbon Treaty

- Gender identity politics being introduced into the Schools curriculum.

- aid to the military intervention in Ukraine.
- International Protection & asylum seekers........like the village of Dundrum, Co Tipperary..totally swamped.

When your Parliament goes Rogue, you need to rein them in.
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Sure, but surely MacGregor knows what they want and will represent? If he has to ask the people for everything what's the point
 
Stirlingsays said:
Don't care.

The guy is a warrior who actually cares about his people instead of foreigners.
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He does, then why the need to send everything to the people? Don't you see my point?
 
Spindle said:
He does, then why the need to send everything to the people? Don't you see my point?
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because, Politicians need to be reminded who they work for. Especially when said politicians are out of touch or launching an unpopular Crusade. And Irelands politicians got absolutely thumped on the woke-ism below.

And they know bloody well that Immigration is an issue they are afraid to allow to a vote on. Ireland, UK, Western Europe......most places.

www.aljazeera.com

Ireland votes in ‘women in the home’, ‘makeup of family’ referendums

PM Leo Varadkar says proposed constitutional changes a chance to delete 'very old-fashioned, very sexist language'.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
Stirlingsays said:
My point is that the immigration issue has gone far far beyond concern of whether the system has a Swiss system or not.

If the internationalists remain in power these isles are lost.
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Of course, people can debate the meaning of the term 'Lost'. I would argue that it has already happened.
Demographics are destiny. For example : If a statistician took a random sample of additions and subractions to the population. Departures via the Funeral home. New arrivals statistically via a maternity Ward or an airport.


The Future doesn't look (or sound) very much like the crowds celebrating VE day, now does it ?
 
Stirlingsays said:
My point is that the immigration issue has gone far far beyond concern of whether the system has a Swiss system or not.

If the internationalists remain in power these isles are lost.
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100%
We must oust the enemy before we debate about policy.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Why doesn't the Archbishop of Canterbury, as leader of the church, the biggest land owner in the UK, open all the Churches up to all the poor asylum seekers, i think we know why, but he wont say it or do it.
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he could ask his boss. King Charles.

Well, we have never before seen a King Charles who was theologically out of step with his flock. But then again, which flock ? The traditional flock or any new flock to the 'Parish'.

Immigration. Lefties love to talk about assimilation and acclimatizing newcomers to 'British Culture'. And just how well did White Europeans assimilate to the culture of the Apache, the Cherokee and the Navajo ?

en.wikipedia.org

Charles I of England - Wikipedia

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PalazioVecchio said:
because, Politicians need to be reminded who they work for. Especially when said politicians are out of touch or launching an unpopular Crusade. And Irelands politicians got absolutely thumped on the woke-ism below.

And they know bloody well that Immigration is an issue they are afraid to allow to a vote on. Ireland, UK, Western Europe......most places.

www.aljazeera.com

Ireland votes in ‘women in the home’, ‘makeup of family’ referendums

PM Leo Varadkar says proposed constitutional changes a chance to delete 'very old-fashioned, very sexist language'.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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That is what an election is for. You vote on a manifesto, and when you're unhappy with the government, you vote for another.

You guys bleat on about wastes of money, by God you don't seem to have a clue about how expensive, inefficient and ineffective the mandate system is.
 
Spindle said:
That is what an election is for. You vote on a manifesto, and when you're unhappy with the government, you vote for another.

You guys bleat on about wastes of money, by God you don't seem to have a clue about how expensive, inefficient and ineffective the mandate system is.
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A lot of people don't vote on a manifesto. They are died-in-the-wool supporters of one side or the other and the pre election wish list is largely irrelevant compared to keeping the other lot out of power.
 
Spindle said:
That is what an election is for. You vote on a manifesto, and when you're unhappy with the government, you vote for another.

You guys bleat on about wastes of money, by God you don't seem to have a clue about how expensive, inefficient and ineffective the mandate system is.
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The Soviet System had elections whereby whoever you voted for, you got the same crappy policies regardless.
Its all looking very familiar, in The West, these days. Spindle, if you are naive enough to trust politicians, to enact their electoral Mandate, then i despair of your world-view. See my examples above, hugely unpopular stuff being enacted willy-nilly by an out of touch ( or corrupted ) ruling elite.

Below is yet another specimen. Hugely unpopular, and already most of our Parliament voted YES for a Bill on this. A Bill which was only scrapped cos it literally took our country to the Brink of more riots.

www.thejournal.ie

Ireland given two months to begin implementing hate speech laws or face legal action from EU

The European Commission said Ireland is allegedly “failing” to comply with laws around race-based violence and hate.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie

Nobody has ever voted for a ton of immigration. Especially of the type and volume witnessed recently.
 
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Teddy Eagle said:
A lot of people don't vote on a manifesto. They are died-in-the-wool supporters of one side or the other and the pre election wish list is largely irrelevant compared to keeping the other lot out of power.
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More fool them. And when let down they do what at the next election?

And since this is the case what makes you think that they'll keep on turning out for votes on every statute?

Ultimately what you are after is a vote on getting the immigration sorted out anyway
 
PalazioVecchio said:
The Soviet System had elections whereby whoever you voted for, you got the same crappy policies regardless.
Its all looking very familiar, in The West, these days. Spindle, if you are naive enough to trust politicians, to enact their electoral Mandate, then i despair of your world-view. See my examples above, hugely unpopular stuff being enacted willy-nilly by an out of touch ( or corrupted ) ruling elite.

Below is yet another specimen. Hugely unpopular, and already most of our Parliament voted for a Bill on this. A Bill which was only scrapped cos it literally took our country to the Brink of more riots.

www.thejournal.ie

Ireland given two months to begin implementing hate speech laws or face legal action from EU

The European Commission said Ireland is allegedly “failing” to comply with laws around race-based violence and hate.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie

Nobody has ever voted for a ton of immigration. Especially of the type and volume witnessed recently.
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Are you seriously comparing our system with the Soviet Union? And you think they had 'elections'? 🤣

Ok that's the end for me, it's pointless, I give a s*** what you think
 
Spindle said:
More fool them. And when let down they do what at the next election?

And since this is the case what makes you think that they'll keep on turning out for votes on every statute?

Ultimately what you are after is a vote on getting the immigration sorted out anyway
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Some vote on issues and some on principles the same as they've always done, although not as many as previously since the two main parties are getting more aligned.
On immigration a lot of votes will go the party deemed most likely to do what voters want not necessarily the one that says they'll do it.
 
Spindle said:
Are you seriously comparing our system with the Soviet Union? And you think they had 'elections'? 🤣

Ok that's the end for me, it's pointless, I give a s*** what you think
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I am saying that our illusion of democracy is just that. An illusion. And all my cases are listed above. Based on evidence.
You seem to trust politicians. I don't. Lets just end it with that.

Immigration. What will The West look like in the year 2050 ?
 
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