Immigration

[Stirlingsays]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1962643756030808219

If I had the power to I'd force....certain people who have a reputation on this forum...... to live every day of this woman's life in London as she described it......because their politics created it.....and instead they chose to live in a place largely unaffected by it.

 

[Badger11]

The Green party has become the far left nutters, officially.

Zack Polanski elected leader of the Green Party - BBC News

The London Assembly member beat Green MPs Adrian Ramsay and Ellie Chowns by a landslide.

www.bbc.com

Not about the environment, about Gaza and open borders.

Agreed. The Green Party started life as the "Good Life, Tom and Barbara party". Well meaning people who cared about the environment. Increasingly it has been taken over by the far left who pay lip service to it's primary existence and are far more interested in Palestine, open borders and Trump / Farage bashing.

From the start the Greens have always had one major electoral problem. People use them as a protest vote in by elections but at the general elections they seldom get more than 7% of the vote.

With the shift to the left and their new leader I don't expect this to change and they may even lose many eco concerned voters.

It's noticeable that Greta Thunberg is no longer the Green poster girl in Europe as she has shifted to a pro Gaza stance. She is now openly criticised by eco supporters as trying to drag them into political areas they are not interested in.

I suspect the new Green leader here will try and do the same but may end up losing his core base.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Agreed. The Green Party started life as the "Good Life, Tom and Barbara party". Well meaning people who cared about the environment. Increasingly it has been taken over by the far left who pay lip service to it's primary existence and are far more interested in Palestine, open borders and Trump / Farage bashing.

From the start the Greens have always had one major electoral problem. People use them as a protest vote in by elections but at the general elections they seldom get more than 7% of the vote.

With the shift to the left and their new leader I don't expect this to change and they may even lose many eco concerned voters.

It's noticeable that Greta Thunberg is no longer the Green poster girl in Europe as she has shifted to a pro Gaza stance. She is now openly criticised by eco supporters as trying to drag them into political areas they are not interested in.

I suspect the new Green leader here will try and do the same but may end up losing his core base.

When the last election was upon us, Nick Robertson, the BBC political journalist, interviewed each of the political party leaders in a one to one chat. The then joint leader of the Green Party was asked about their stance on banning petrol/diesel vehicles from 2030. He mumbled something about it not being policy yet but was obviously on the spot because their plan is not to ban the purchase of petrol/diesel vehicles but to ban their use from 2030. Just think about that for a minute; a total ban on driving such vehicles…They are a bunch of lunatics that seem to be too extreme for even the Labour Party.

 

[georgenorman]

The new leader of the Green Party has just been on Radio 5 saying that poor people have no choice than to engage in shoplifting. Apparently it's "criminalising poverty" to stop them. It beggars belief that the leader of a party that has members elected to parliament should support criminal activity.
It's great that he has been elected - the Green vote among normal people must be dropping like a stone.

 

[chris123]

The new leader of the Green Party has just been on Radio 5 saying that poor people have no choice than to engage in shoplifting. Apparently it's "criminalising poverty" to stop them. It beggars belief that the leader of a party that has members elected to parliament should support criminal activity.
It's great that he has been elected - the Green vote among normal people must be dropping like a stone.

Soon to be ex leader

 

[eaglesdare]

I know in Ireland the greens got the protest vote a few years back but then ended up in government as part of a coalition. They pushed their far left agendas and raised taxes. The next election they pretty much got all but annihilated.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I know in Ireland the greens got the protest vote a few years back but then ended up in government as part of a coalition. They pushed their far left agendas and raised taxes. The next election they pretty much got all but annihilated.

True. Open Borders. LGBTQ. The sacrosanct role of the woman in the home - as laid down in our Constitution....the Greens attacked it. They also tried to introduce "other durable relationships" into family life. Deliberately vague....with the possibility of legal status for Polygamous marriage (4 wives, or 400 wives ?) , surrogacy, and all sorts of Unchristian stuff. Things unfamiliar on these shores.


The Irish recognised a clear and deliberate Trojan Horse - and you wouldn't marry one of them. Many Irish put Catholic miraculous medals into the Voting box.

What the hell has a Green Party got to do with family life & private morality ? To prove their Worth, after an electoral annihilation, The Greens kept the same leader. Go and google Roderick O'Gorman if you want to have a laugh at a 'serious politician'.

 

[Spiderman]

I would like to know how many students who arrive on a visa never actually go to their designated university or drop out after a few months?

I think you would be staggered. Let’s just say getting an unconditional offer from legit Uni ( no cost), a loan from family/friends to satisfy maintenance criteria ( little or no cost) and obtain 3-4 year student visa , is relatively easy. Unis are meant to advise if students don’t attend, some do some don’t. Of course those that are reported then have to be located and removed, oh only after, bizarrely being given the right to appeal

 

[ASCPFC]

True. Open Borders. LGBTQ. The sacrosanct role of the woman in the home - as laid down in our Constitution....the Greens attacked it. They also tried to introduce "other durable relationships" into family life. Deliberately vague....with the possibility of legal status for Polygamous marriage (4 wives, or 400 wives ?) , surrogacy, and all sorts of Unchristian stuff. Things unfamiliar on these shores.


The Irish recognised a clear and deliberate Trojan Horse - and you wouldn't marry one of them. Many Irish put Catholic miraculous medals into the Voting box.

What the hell has a Green Party got to do with family life & private morality ? To prove their Worth, after an electoral annihilation, The Greens kept the same leader. Go and google Roderick O'Gorman if you want to have a laugh at a 'serious politician'.

Disgusting pervert in one video. Mental woman in the other. One child abuse. One animal abuse. I presume the RSPCA are involved. And, hopefully, the child has been removed from the abuser. I don't want these people using my planet to live on.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Of course there isn’t more done, there hasn’t been for years. We used to be able to identify overstayers on departure ( if they left) but embarkation control was removed to cut costs. So when they leave University you honestly believe that Universities know where they are? Laughable. It is hilarious ( and a bit sad) that you honestly believe what you write. Believe me, you are way of the mark

I have two grandchildren currently at Uni and a wife who has recent knowledge of one and daily contact with new graduates. So I have some idea of how Universities keep track. Nevertheless the primary point is that it seems extremely unlikely to me that any genuine student, on graduation and visa expiry, will never go home again. They might overstay for a while, do some work somewhere to build up funds, but they aren’t the same as the economic migrants seeking to become asylum holders. Any student who manages to get here just to disappear will have had a very expensive trip to do so. They have to pay fees which are much higher than home fees. It’s just not very likely is it?

 

[ASCPFC]

I have two grandchildren currently at Uni and a wife who has recent knowledge of one and daily contact with new graduates. So I have some idea of how Universities keep track. Nevertheless the primary point is that it seems extremely unlikely to me that any genuine student, on graduation and visa expiry, will never go home again. They might overstay for a while, do some work somewhere to build up funds, but they aren’t the same as the economic migrants seeking to become asylum holders. Any student who manages to get here just to disappear will have had a very expensive trip to do so. They have to pay fees which are much higher than home fees. It’s just not very likely is it?

Student immigration to the UK

Key points In March 2019, the government set a target to have 600,000 students enrolled in UK higher education (HE) by 2030[ The target to raise the number of overseas students enrolled in higher education to 600,000 by 2030 was first outlined in March 2019 in the government’s policy paper...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I think you would be staggered. Let’s just say getting an unconditional offer from legit Uni ( no cost), a loan from family/friends to satisfy maintenance criteria ( little or no cost) and obtain 3-4 year student visa , is relatively easy. Unis are meant to advise if students don’t attend, some do some don’t. Of course those that are reported then have to be located and removed, oh only after, bizarrely being given the right to appeal

The responsibility then rests with those Unis who fail to report and with the Home Office if they don’t follow up. It shouldn’t happen and if the system isn’t working as it should then we need to reset it.

 

[Badger11]

Student immigration to the UK

Key points In March 2019, the government set a target to have 600,000 students enrolled in UK higher education (HE) by 2030[ The target to raise the number of overseas students enrolled in higher education to 600,000 by 2030 was first outlined in March 2019 in the government’s policy paper...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

Exactly.

How many students come pay the first term / year and then disappear. There there is the college at Portsmouth. It's now being investigated as it is a scam and thousands of students have arrived yet nobody is actually studying the place is empty. How did they get approval from the Home Office?

Bogus colleges in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes it is a ridiculous comment. Having seen several interviews from Epping the vast majority of, and I would wager nearly all, were locals. Unlike the counter protestors, who of course, refused to be interviewed

Interviews conducted by whom?

Anyone who wants to tell a particular story can always find a few who meet their desired profile.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Exactly.

How many students come pay the first term / year and then disappear. There there is the Portsmouth university (not actual correct name) . It's now being investigated as it is a scam and thousands of students have arrived yet nobody is actually studying the place is empty. How did they get approval from the Home Office?

There were a lot of such institutions a few years ago but government action put them out of business. So if one has popped up again I doubt it will last too long.

 

[ASCPFC]

Exactly.

How many students come pay the first term / year and then disappear. There there is the Portsmouth university (not actual correct name) . It's now being investigated as it is a scam and thousands of students have arrived yet nobody is actually studying the place is empty. How did they get approval from the Home Office?

Do the "language colleges" still exist? Probably. They're a bigger scam - literally people trafficking. But there has been so much of this over the years we have to consider the government turns a blind eye to it. It's policy for funding for institutions and for enriching the usual suspects, no doubt.
If an institution gets their fees does anybody seriously think they care? I know they don't from longstanding experience. I've held several international scholarships and a broad experience of dealing with fees and funding. But no doubt I'm going to get told just how wrong I am.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

How many students come pay the first term / year and then disappear. There there is the college at Portsmouth. It's now being investigated as it is a scam and thousands of students have arrived yet nobody is actually studying the place is empty.

Bogus colleges in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Running a Third Level educational institution in the UK ? down around the bottom of all the academic league-tables ? well then you can have....

a) a ton of money
or
b) noble high ideals.

Choose One.
'Education' is a business. Same as Tourism, Restaurants or Fitness Gyms. So chase the money and tell balding fatty (43) that he will play in the Premier League if he just manages to shed thirty or forty kilos.

 

[ASCPFC]

Interviews conducted by whom?

Anyone who wants to tell a particular story can always find a few who meet their desired profile.

That sounds like 99% of immigration appeals.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That sounds like 99% of immigration appeals.

If only 9.9% is true then we need to be smarter with our interview techniques. We could simply refuse any application from those who arrive in an unauthorised way, but it wouldn’t solve the problem of where they can be deported to. Solve that and everything else should become easier.

 

[Spiderman]

I have two grandchildren currently at Uni and a wife who has recent knowledge of one and daily contact with new graduates. So I have some idea of how Universities keep track. Nevertheless the primary point is that it seems extremely unlikely to me that any genuine student, on graduation and visa expiry, will never go home again. They might overstay for a while, do some work somewhere to build up funds, but they aren’t the same as the economic migrants seeking to become asylum holders. Any student who manages to get here just to disappear will have had a very expensive trip to do so. They have to pay fees which are much higher than home fees. It’s just not very likely is it?

You don’t think many students finish their courses, obtain employment and stay?