StandbyPalace
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I'm glad Textor has left the building.
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He's not involved in any of the deals. So you'd have to ask DF/SP on that one!
It always was a silly fee, I guess we were trying to do a Brighton, but without the data and research
BromleyMonkey
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Think we all thought that, how to cover up that you’ve spent £26 million on a dud and the manager doesn’t fancy him🤣
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His Wife / partner just had a baby - probably as a young family they wanted to be closer to home.
Jim_Cannon
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It’s a loan only and no price agreed for a sale. So at this stage expectation is regains form and fitness and returns (🤞as I like him) or we can sell him on with ability to get higher fee than today
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Already covered this topic.
Mods should merge with Franca thread about 11 down in Palace talk.
Mods should merge with Franca thread about 11 down in Palace talk.
grumpymort
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Whoever signed him had played Football Manager too much and saw he was a wonder kid on those older ones lol
I understand worth taking a chance but not at 26m that was madness and I'm surprised he got a work permit (This is why none of the big clubs went for him)
People claimed this was a Tex deal no way he would not pay that much for him and would have got him to sign for one of the other multi clubs first.
I understand worth taking a chance but not at 26m that was madness and I'm surprised he got a work permit (This is why none of the big clubs went for him)
People claimed this was a Tex deal no way he would not pay that much for him and would have got him to sign for one of the other multi clubs first.
Jim_Cannon
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Initial fee from what I have read was £17m plus add ons. Unlikely many if any add ons paid out.
For all his injuries he has contributed a lot more than Ahamada. Franca has set up goals and even scored one !!!!
For all his injuries he has contributed a lot more than Ahamada. Franca has set up goals and even scored one !!!!
While we clearly overpaid there was talent there. In another timeline he turns into a direct, effective forward contributing goals and assists. Sadly his body appears to be made of dried spaghetti
park the bus
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Buh, buh, but... Textor didn't have ay influence says Saint Steve...
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Franca scoring a pen for Vasco to knock-out john textor's Botatogo out of the Brazillian cup....Love it
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Linford
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That’s our boy!
I wonder if the club is deferring decisions on both Franca and JRS.
I note that some weeks ago,when discussing injuries , Glasner said that Franca had a setback and was unable to train and hadn’t really been able to participate in pre season training and there was no proposed return date.
And yet he gets the loan to move to Brazil and is playing straight away.
On JRS there seemed to be a fair amount of interest in him during the summer , but at the end of the day he got a last minute loan.
In my view neither player seems to suit Glasner’s system of play, and it may be that Esse falls into this category as well.
This is not a criticism of Glasner, or necessarily the players either, it’s just an observation that Glasner’s system places a particular set of demands on players which not every player can adapt to.
It may go some way to explaining why Glasner has preferred to use Devenny instead of these players even if it is not Devenny’s position.
Franca, JRS and Esse are all young and this could be Glasner’s last season at the club.
A new manager, with a different system, may believe these players could have a role to play.
The task for Glasner is immediate results this season, but perhaps the club are taking a longer term view of the investment in younger players.
I note that some weeks ago,when discussing injuries , Glasner said that Franca had a setback and was unable to train and hadn’t really been able to participate in pre season training and there was no proposed return date.
And yet he gets the loan to move to Brazil and is playing straight away.
On JRS there seemed to be a fair amount of interest in him during the summer , but at the end of the day he got a last minute loan.
In my view neither player seems to suit Glasner’s system of play, and it may be that Esse falls into this category as well.
This is not a criticism of Glasner, or necessarily the players either, it’s just an observation that Glasner’s system places a particular set of demands on players which not every player can adapt to.
It may go some way to explaining why Glasner has preferred to use Devenny instead of these players even if it is not Devenny’s position.
Franca, JRS and Esse are all young and this could be Glasner’s last season at the club.
A new manager, with a different system, may believe these players could have a role to play.
The task for Glasner is immediate results this season, but perhaps the club are taking a longer term view of the investment in younger players.
As others have pointed out the three mentioned don't fit into Glasner's system. However if OG is not going to stay then it makes sense for the club to allow the new manager to have a look at them first.
It's not as though we have turned down fantastic offers for any of them, so it's common sense to keep them for now and hope they can show some form.
We are not Chelsea who throw away players because the current manager doesn't want them only for a future one to bring them back a great cost.
If we are going to get rid we need to make sure that they really are not up to it.
It's not as though we have turned down fantastic offers for any of them, so it's common sense to keep them for now and hope they can show some form.
We are not Chelsea who throw away players because the current manager doesn't want them only for a future one to bring them back a great cost.
If we are going to get rid we need to make sure that they really are not up to it.
Jim_Cannon
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I believe Franca was expected to be fit by end of August. He needs games and makes sense his loan
I don’t think JRS is good enough for PL. Esse has the talent but a mix of lack of confidence and also lack of work rate based on Tuesday are holding him back
Personally I think the ship has sailed on JRS. He didn't sparkle last season, so there isn't any realistic chance that he would be ready for the prem. In lets be honest a pretty good team.
Franca has had such an awful times with injuries. Hopefully he can get some games and confidence.
Not sure what the answer is with Esse. On one hand a loan would help his confidence, but it may also benefit him to be around the group to understand the expectations and what he need to be doing tactically.
But also 100% agree that Glasners system may require a certain type of mentality.
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The thing is with these young players, it's always a gamble and with more clubs adopting the same approach, the cost is rising.
It's easy to criticise our recruitment based on a single transfer but you have to look at the bigger picture. If you'd said that we'd sign Olise, Eze, Esse and Franca for a combined £65m or something and that the first two would go on to become two of the best players we've ever seen and would sell them for something like £118m, I'd say that's pretty successful overall.
If Franca has a good season, he will either get another chance or we can maybe get £10m back. Esse probably needs a loan but it's far too early to write him off.
Fans are impatient but Sarr is an example of someone who started slow and is now a key player. And he was far more experienced than the other two when he arrived.
It's easy to criticise our recruitment based on a single transfer but you have to look at the bigger picture. If you'd said that we'd sign Olise, Eze, Esse and Franca for a combined £65m or something and that the first two would go on to become two of the best players we've ever seen and would sell them for something like £118m, I'd say that's pretty successful overall.
If Franca has a good season, he will either get another chance or we can maybe get £10m back. Esse probably needs a loan but it's far too early to write him off.
Fans are impatient but Sarr is an example of someone who started slow and is now a key player. And he was far more experienced than the other two when he arrived.
I agree with this. I'm surprised he wasn't sold in the last window but I'd be even more surprised to see him in a red n blue shirt ever again (unless its Dagenham & Redbridge!)