Crystal Palace v Fulham match thread

[DenTyler]

Morning after the match before…

I watched match of the day last night. I pretty much watch every bit of premier league football on tv (I’m sad like that). Anyway, I think we are in deep deep s***. The teams that should be our peers have absolutely flown past us. Brighton and Bournemouth (who are one of the few clubs smaller than us) both beat Man City. Not with luck but by playing great football. Forest looking amazing. Brentford can’t stop scoring. Why the hell are we not matching them?

I am convinced now unlike before that 1 player does make a difference (just ask pep about the missing Rodri). There is no doubt now that the loss of Olise has had a massive impact on the entire structure of the team. Not just his play but the effect on Eze has been there for all to see.
This is not on OG. The board must have known he was going. Why did they not have his replacement ready? Don’t say it was Sarr, he was never going to be that player.

If there was no player in that mould (every other team seems to have a player in that mould, for example look at Semenyo at Bournemouth) then common sense says you can’t try and play the same way. Everyone on here says the same thing week after week, players playing out of position etc… for fucks sake PLAY PLAYERS IN THERE PROPER POSITIONS!

It’s not rocket science. Surely it would have been better yesterday to play everyone that was fit in the positions they have at least been playing in. Keeping the back 3 as it was, would have been my starting point. Munoz (who had been looking better) and Mitchell both as they were.

JPM up top. The idiot Kamada to the left Sarr to the right. Now the only 2 changes are in the middle. Doucoure could have started, he may have been blowing out his arse after an hour but by then we may have been ahead. Devenny looked at ease in the side.

our next games are: villa, Newcastle, Ipswich, city.
My feeling is OG will be gone before the Ipswich game if we have not got at least 2 points from villa and Newcastle.

Not all his fault but playing people out of position is on him as is picking what I consider to be one of the worst players I’ve seen in the premier league in Kamada. I don’t care if he is humble and a nice guy.., he’s stealing £100k a week… a f***ing WEEK!
Is he any better than the players we put out on loan. Not a chance. I would bet my house on him never getting into the team when the new manger rolls into town. He offers nothing and I’m tired of watching him.

Something needs to change and quick. We are in what I genuinely think is the worst situation we’ve been in since being back in the league.

We are terrible to watch, no fight, no leaders (hughes is), no goals, no guile, no threat. Terrible transfer decisions. The list goes on. We are playing the absolute worst football (again) in the league.

 

[Palacesince64]

When we have players fit and the personnel to play five at the back and pressing high we look like a decent team short only of a genuine attacking left back and a left footed right winger to make us better. However it doesn’t take much to turn us into the disorganised shambles of yesterday. Three of our signings have failed miserably so far

It’s worrying to see how easily we lose the press and become so lethargic. Players were jogging back behind the ball yesterday when Fulham broke. OG must see it but seems powerless to change things and doesn’t have a plan B.
Hopefully we get players back soon and hang in there meantime.

 

[JHB]

Morning after the match before…

I watched match of the day last night. I pretty much watch every bit of premier league football on tv (I’m sad like that). Anyway, I think we are in deep deep s***. The teams that should be our peers have absolutely flown past us. Brighton and Bournemouth (who are one of the few clubs smaller than us) both beat Man City. Not with luck but by playing great football. Forest looking amazing. Brentford can’t stop scoring. Why the hell are we not matching them?

I am convinced now unlike before that 1 player does make a difference (just ask pep about the missing Rodri). There is no doubt now that the loss of Olise has had a massive impact on the entire structure of the team. Not just his play but the effect on Eze has been there for all to see.
This is not on OG. The board must have known he was going. Why did they not have his replacement ready? Don’t say it was Sarr, he was never going to be that player.

If there was no player in that mould (every other team seems to have a player in that mould, for example look at Semenyo at Bournemouth) then common sense says you can’t try and play the same way. Everyone on here says the same thing week after week, players playing out of position etc… for fucks sake PLAY PLAYERS IN THERE PROPER POSITIONS!

It’s not rocket science. Surely it would have been better yesterday to play everyone that was fit in the positions they have at least been playing in. Keeping the back 3 as it was, would have been my starting point. Munoz (who had been looking better) and Mitchell both as they were.

JPM up top. The idiot Kamada to the left Sarr to the right. Now the only 2 changes are in the middle. Doucoure could have started, he may have been blowing out his arse after an hour but by then we may have been ahead. Devenny looked at ease in the side.

our next games are: villa, Newcastle, Ipswich, city.
My feeling is OG will be gone before the Ipswich game if we have not got at least 2 points from villa and Newcastle.

Not all his fault but playing people out of position is on him as is picking what I consider to be one of the worst players I’ve seen in the premier league in Kamada. I don’t care if he is humble and a nice guy.., he’s stealing £100k a week… a f***ing WEEK!
Is he any better than the players we put out on loan. Not a chance. I would bet my house on him never getting into the team when the new manger rolls into town. He offers nothing and I’m tired of watching him.

Something needs to change and quick. We are in what I genuinely think is the worst situation we’ve been in since being back in the league.

We are terrible to watch, no fight, no leaders (hughes is), no goals, no guile, no threat. Terrible transfer decisions. The list goes on. We are playing the absolute worst football (again) in the league.

I think you may be right on Olise. Look at OG’s results for us with Olise and without. With its Champions League form, without it’s relegation form. Of course losing a world class player is massive for a club like us but it shouldn’t be as stark a difference in results as it is.

 

[JHB]

Morning after the match before…

I watched match of the day last night. I pretty much watch every bit of premier league football on tv (I’m sad like that). Anyway, I think we are in deep deep s***. The teams that should be our peers have absolutely flown past us. Brighton and Bournemouth (who are one of the few clubs smaller than us) both beat Man City. Not with luck but by playing great football. Forest looking amazing. Brentford can’t stop scoring. Why the hell are we not matching them?

I am convinced now unlike before that 1 player does make a difference (just ask pep about the missing Rodri). There is no doubt now that the loss of Olise has had a massive impact on the entire structure of the team. Not just his play but the effect on Eze has been there for all to see.
This is not on OG. The board must have known he was going. Why did they not have his replacement ready? Don’t say it was Sarr, he was never going to be that player.

If there was no player in that mould (every other team seems to have a player in that mould, for example look at Semenyo at Bournemouth) then common sense says you can’t try and play the same way. Everyone on here says the same thing week after week, players playing out of position etc… for fucks sake PLAY PLAYERS IN THERE PROPER POSITIONS!

It’s not rocket science. Surely it would have been better yesterday to play everyone that was fit in the positions they have at least been playing in. Keeping the back 3 as it was, would have been my starting point. Munoz (who had been looking better) and Mitchell both as they were.

JPM up top. The idiot Kamada to the left Sarr to the right. Now the only 2 changes are in the middle. Doucoure could have started, he may have been blowing out his arse after an hour but by then we may have been ahead. Devenny looked at ease in the side.

our next games are: villa, Newcastle, Ipswich, city.
My feeling is OG will be gone before the Ipswich game if we have not got at least 2 points from villa and Newcastle.

Not all his fault but playing people out of position is on him as is picking what I consider to be one of the worst players I’ve seen in the premier league in Kamada. I don’t care if he is humble and a nice guy.., he’s stealing £100k a week… a f***ing WEEK!
Is he any better than the players we put out on loan. Not a chance. I would bet my house on him never getting into the team when the new manger rolls into town. He offers nothing and I’m tired of watching him.

Something needs to change and quick. We are in what I genuinely think is the worst situation we’ve been in since being back in the league.

We are terrible to watch, no fight, no leaders (hughes is), no goals, no guile, no threat. Terrible transfer decisions. The list goes on. We are playing the absolute worst football (again) in the league.

The no fight is the bit that worries me. We’ve had squads lacking talent before but often we’ve had energy and fight. Right now the performances are so tepid and timid. I just don’t think OG is the sort of manager to instil that though. It’s all shape with him. I just don’t see that being the thing that gets us through the relegation battle we are in.

 

[park the bus]

I don’t think that at all. I’m not expecting everything to suddenly be perfect. I completely agree about treading water as well. Unfortunately we can’t change that now. We have to start from where we are. I just think we have to change something. Sadly the only thing we can change is the manager. Do I think that will mean we get 20 points from the bext ten games. No I don’t. Do I think we might get more than 0.7 points a game? Yes

By your own wording: "How long do we wait to come good? Till Christmas? Easter? When we are playing in the Championship?" and "Something needs to change". I'm presuming therefore you mean sooner rather than later, that is, more or less immediately. I'm saying that is not realistic and not going to happen. Any new manager will be confronted with the same problems that confront Glasner.
I think we all got a bit too excited and expectant after the fine end to last season and haven't fully factored in the changes in squad personnel since then - we are a much worse side than we were then, and as someone here said, the table doesn't lie.
Chancer Parish has chanced it for far too long, and admittedly, got away with it. Not this season.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think you may be right on Olise. Look at OG’s results for us with Olise and without. With its Champions League form, without it’s relegation form. Of course losing a world class player is massive for a club like us but it shouldn’t be as stark a difference in results as it is.

The replacement players haven't cut it.

Players who out perform their peers at a club will always be coveted by higher clubs and look to leave.

It's why recruitment identification matters so much, more so the less money you have......The big clubs can afford to make a twenty or thirty million poor investment.....that isn't us.

Very good recruitment took us from nearly going out of business in the Championship and struggling to survive to suddenly the Premiership in double quick time and has kept us up and in mid table.

However, unless the new players can improve on what we have seen we are fecked.......because that's a lot of money spent for below average performances.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

VAR giveth and it taketh away.

VAR actually missed a key moment just before Fulham made it 2-0 v Crystal Palace

👀

www.wearepalace.uk

 

[DenTyler]

The no fight is the bit that worries me. We’ve had squads lacking talent before but often we’ve had energy and fight. Right now the performances are so tepid and timid. I just don’t think OG is the sort of manager to instil that though. It’s all shape with him. I just don’t see that being the thing that gets us through the relegation battle we are in.

Agreed, which means we will rinse and repeat the sacking of a young progressive manager in favour of tried and trusted pragmatic manager. This will continue until the board absolutely and fully backs the next attack minded manager and gives him the tools to succeed. Then and only then will we finally move forwards the couple of notches it takes to be a competitive, Europe thinking premier league side.

It is so short sighted by the board. They talk of the huge catchment area we are in with no real competition for the people in that area. With a decent team playing decent football in theory we should be much bigger. But honestly what neutral is going to pay to watch this dross each week. What youngster is CPFC going to bring in as a fan? Not many I say.

 

[Badger11]

The replacement players haven't cut it.

Players who out perform their peers at a club will always be coveted by higher clubs and look to leave.

It's why recruitment identification matters so much, more so the less money you have......The big clubs can afford to make a twenty or thirty million poor investment.....that isn't us.

Very good recruitment took us from nearly going out of business to the Premiership in double quick time and has kept us up and in mid table.

However, unless the new players can improve on what we have seen we are fecked.......because that's a lot of money spent for below average performances.

Herein lies the problem. The club has a model where we try to bring in young players whilst selling our best ones for profit e.g. the Southampton model.

However I and others have warned many times that this is not an easy thing to do if it was all clubs would be doing it.

In the last year we have lost Wilf, Olise and Ayew and may lose Guehi. All key players.

Come January I suspect that instead of looking for 20yo's ready to be eased into the team over the following year we will be panic buying to keep us up.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Herein lies the problem. The club has a model where we try to bring in young players whilst selling our best ones for profit e.g. the Southampton model.

However I and others have warned many times that this is not an easy thing to do if it was all clubs would be doing it.

In the last year we have lost Wilf, Olise and Ayew and may lose Guehi. All key players.

Come January I suspect that instead of looking for 20yo's ready to be eased into the team over the following year we will be panic buying to keep us up.

Yep, I think you are probably right.

Guehi is an extremely good player and I can't see him sticking around......Eze won't either.

Our recruitment has let the club down.

 

[DenTyler]

By your own wording: "How long do we wait to come good? Till Christmas? Easter? When we are playing in the Championship?" and "Something needs to change". I'm presuming therefore you mean sooner rather than later, that is, more or less immediately. I'm saying that is not realistic and not going to happen. Any new manager will be confronted with the same problems that confront Glasner.
I think we all got a bit too excited and expectant after the fine end to last season and haven't fully factored in the changes in squad personnel since then - we are a much worse side than we were then, and as someone here said, the table doesn't lie.
Chancer Parish has chanced it for far too long, and admittedly, got away with it. Not this season.

I don’t want to see OG go. I think if he were backed and gets some players back he would do ok. Without Olise we are not going to be that team of last years run.

However I do disagree that a new manager has the same problems. Dyche, Moyes, Mourinio, get a draw yesterday. Pep, Klopp and Slott get a win. Russell martin and Kieran McKenna get heroically beaten.

My point is a different manager with the same players can make a huge difference.

I maintain the next 2 games will decide OGs fate. If we lose the next 2 and he is not gone then that actually gives me hope that there is a plan to back him in January and he will be here for awhile yet.

 

[doombear]

I don’t want to see OG go. I think if he were backed and gets some players back he would do ok. Without Olise we are not going to be that team of last years run.

However I do disagree that a new manager has the same problems. Dyche, Moyes, Mourinio, get a draw yesterday. Pep, Klopp and Slott get a win. Russell martin and Kieran McKenna get heroically beaten.

My point is a different manager with the same players can make a huge difference.

I maintain the next 2 games will decide OGs fate. If we lose the next 2 and he is not gone then that actually gives me hope that there is a plan to back him in January and he will be here for awhile yet.

I'm with you with these comments, Den. Glasner needs to have time when the bulk of our squad and our key players are available to show what he can do. Fulham's strength is their midfield. 3 of our 4 midfielders were absent and the fourth was on the bench not yet back to full speed. We were always going to be up against it yesterday. The tragedy was Lacroix's silly mistake, which changed the whole dynamic and sentiment.

Could Glasner have gone for a different shape? Yes, but would the players have been any better at interacting? Probably not and quite possibly even worse.

I can understand Glasner's reluctance to start with Doucoure. He's hardly played any football for a year now and his return needs to be carefully managed if we are to see him return to his best. Consequently, whilst it wasn't ideal, it made sense to put Guehi in midfield as he was the most likely player available to get stuck in and win some duels. In fact, I thought Guehi did a reasonable job in midfield in the first half.

We can only hope that come the Villa game, we'll have a couple more players back from injury and at least available from the bench. I'm hoping we'll have Hughes and Doucoure starting in midfield, although, I don't see the latter playing more than 60 minutes.

 

[VinceHilaire]

Well….I think we have just about got everything off our chest. The problems are so obvious, even Mr Parish can’t be oblivious to them.

Think we are all in agreement, unless changes are made, we will be playing Championship football next year.

Try and enjoy your Sunday - you knew what you were signing up for when you decided to support Palace!

 

[Dogburger]

Well….I think we have just about got everything off our chest. The problems are so obvious, even Mr Parish can’t be oblivious to them.

Think we are all in agreement, unless changes are made, we will be playing Championship football next year.

Try and enjoy your Sunday - you knew what you were signing up for when you decided to support Palace!

I think if we can put something resembling our best team out we will be well away from the bottom of the table . Obviously too many missing yesterday and we will need a couple of players in January to give the squad some depth but Im not worried about relegation

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We have a whole team injured or suspended right now. We played as well as you could hope for yesterday baring their first goal.

The key reasons why we aren't winning are clear to me. Firstly, our signings in the Summer were poor choices. Sarr, and especially Kamada are not good enough. The exception is Lacroix who is impressive. It was ironic that his mistake cost us dear yesterday. And that leads on to the second reason. Far too many individual mistakes.
Add to that a shocking injury list, and it is no wonder we are struggling.

If we ever get a full team out, we will probably be better than at least three other teams, but we have really got our work cut out this time.
I'd say that we have to buy in January and buy wisely. We have to get a better creative winger and a left back at least.

 

[NMPalace]

I think if we can put something resembling our best team out we will be well away from the bottom of the table . Obviously too many missing yesterday and we will need a couple of players in January to give the squad some depth but Im not worried about relegation

unfortunately every team gets injuries, that's life.

The worry for me is that OG plays the same system regardless of opposition or personnel.

Against Wolves with Eze and Wharton injured i thought it would be a lazy choice to pick Eddie N and Kamada to play in positions they are clearly not very comfortable/good at. Yet that's exactly what he did. Both massively under performed.

Yesterday with so many CM out i thought a 433 might be better to suit the personnel.
If we were to continue with 5 at the back bringing in Clyne to RCB made sense as he's played there well before and could help with their attacking LB.
Instead we had Clyne at LCB and MG in midfield. More worrying he had Sarr on the left and Kamada on the right and they didn't switch once. When Mitchell did get forward Sarr didn't help him once and was often standing next to Mateta in the middle rather than hugging the left touchline giving us width and an option for TM.
At half time it was clear we need to booster the attack yet he made a change in defence and i can't remember us creating one decent chance in the 2nd half. Players looked confused as to where they were meant to be playing.
Embarrassing

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think if we can put something resembling our best team out we will be well away from the bottom of the table . Obviously too many missing yesterday and we will need a couple of players in January to give the squad some depth but Im not worried about relegation

I am but we all hope you're right.

 

[ASCPFC]

When Edouard returns in January, it'll give us more depth up front.

 

[premier fan]

We are down to the bare bones especially in the midfield area. To sack Glasner during this period would be a major setback in my opinion. I’m certain he’s a decent manager. I’ve enjoyed the style of play and feel we’ve been extremely unlucky during some of our games. However, Parish is very trigger happy and tends to make his move far too early so I’m worried for Glasner.

 

[JHB]

I hear a lot of if we can get our best eleven out we will be ok. How often are we going to be able to get our best eleven out? Maybe for a quarter of our games? So we have to win all of those from now on to stay up. That isn’t going to happen.

We have to be able to adapt tactics and set up to deal with injuries and get results. Ok yesterday was going to be tough with such a long injury list but we will always have one or two of the first team squad unavailable. The manager has to be able to adapt to that.