Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Jason Smith]

I thought the same. We're also more likely to win the Championship than the Premier League but doesn't mean I want to go down.

We've proven we can beat any team on our day and I'd rather have a go at the bigger tournament even if we get knocked out earlier.

And I didn’t appreciate Jim White’s remarks about the protest march. I can just see White and Jordan off air talking about ‘peasants with pitch forks outside the Palace gates’!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Tommy Handley?

Yes indeed.

 

[Uphill]

Simple question:
Have we appealed to CAS or not?

On balance I would think it best to let it go, accept our Conference League involvement and concentrate on our first Europe participation, look forward to the Charity match v. Liverpool, our first PL game against the World Club Cub holders, and, significantly as it turns out, our first home match which is against Forest, which should, shall we say, be very interesting ....

 

[Eaglecoops]

I think the ruling states there can be NO possession of shares between two clubs. I'm not supporting the decision, the article above shows what a joke the blind trust loophole is and that it does not prevent what it tries to prevent, our lawyers could cite the Red Bull and Man U/Lausanne examples but it most surely won't work. Those clubs took the steps required in time because they expected to be in Europe, we didn't take those steps in time because we didn't expect to be in Europe. I hope as much as anyone that our appeal is successful, but in my brief meetings with the legal world I think they are at least 90% likely to just go with the letter of the law. UEFA simply see Textor quite rationally as having been a major influence at the club rather than having no influence at all as we have attempted to argue - if you can dig out the 30% clause to give us all hope then please do so.

As far as I know the 30% decisive influence was mentioned by UEFA themselves when stating that Palace and Brondby didn’t have an issue in the Conference League as Blitzers influence at Palace was below the 30% threshold. This is of course utter tosh because he has the same 25% influence that Textor had.

In theory and using their own rules, either Palace or Brondby should not be allowed to play in the Conference but they’ve obviously decided that they could ignore that. The whole thing is utterly bizarre and stinks of corruption and hypocrisy.

There has to be a threshold level for share ownership to determine when it becomes a conflict because I could own shares in two clubs and they wouldn’t ask me to put my shares in a blind trust, it just makes no sense.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Simple question:
Have we appealed to CAS or not?

On balance I would think it best to let it go, accept our Conference League involvement and concentrate on our first Europe participation, look forward to the Charity match v. Liverpool, our first PL game against the World Club Cub holders, and, significantly as it turns out, our first home match which is against Forest, which should, shall we say, be very interesting ....

I get your point but this amounts to giving up and letting the big boys win again. We will shortly have 3 multi billionaire owners and (cough) Parish. About time they flexed their financial muscles and blooded a few noses.

 

[pssguy]

How would you do that if Textor refused to interact via email, etc?

You have shown that the current directors at Palace made the effort to get the departing one to set up a blind trust. Looks like it did not happen or they have no evidence. I think that as an appeal has yet to be made it might mean Parish has thrown in the towel

 

[est1905]

Simple question:
Have we appealed to CAS or not?

On balance I would think it best to let it go, accept our Conference League involvement and concentrate on our first Europe participation, look forward to the Charity match v. Liverpool, our first PL game against the World Club Cub holders, and, significantly as it turns out, our first home match which is against Forest, which should, shall we say, be very interesting ....

No I completely disagree. This is what UEFA want us to do. I think we should make as much noise over this as possible while making it clear any of the 'big boys' getting into Europe in the future that have broken even the minutest rule and we'll sue.
UEFA need to be made aware that little old Crystal Palace aint going to be pushed around without a fight.
If you dont stand up to them they wont think twice about treating us like dirt in the future.

 

[est1905]

You have shown that the current directors at Palace made the effort to get the departing one to set up a blind trust. Looks like it did not happen or they have no evidence. I think that as an appeal has yet to be made might mean Parish has thrown in the towel

No I didn't say they made an effort. I said to the Jason guy how do we know they didn't? Truth of it is none of us will probably ever know

 

[eaglesdare]

No I completely disagree. This is what UEFA want us to do. I think we should make as much noise over this as possible while making it clear any of the 'big boys' getting into Europe in the future that have broken even the minutest rule and we'll sue.
UEFA need to be made aware that little old Crystal Palace aint going to be pushed around without a fight.
If you dont stand up to them they wont think twice about treating us like dirt in the future.

This is exactly what the Nottingham Forest owner is doing. Puts pressure on referees and UEFA. He seems to know how to play the game.

 

[Jason Smith]

This is exactly what the Nottingham Forest owner is doing. Puts pressure on referees and UEFA. He seems to know how to play the game.

I have just given a like to all the comments. My right brain says, ‘Let’s take ‘em on and fight this to the end. After all, it’s the principle of it that matters to us.’ 100% agree with that. Whereas, my left brain is saying, ‘Nah, we’ve lost this. We’ve got no credible legal argument that they will take seriously.’ Even though the sentence is disproportionate for a first time offence and Textor’s voting influence was 25%. 100% agree with that, too. There’s also the argument that lawyers are very expensive. Nope, the right brain wins, as a matter of fundamental principle we should fight this to the end, there are much bigger issues at stake here.

 

[edskan]

I don’t expect UEFA were expecting a direct reply, that’s not how these things operate, but they would be expecting that MCOs make appropriate enquiries through the ECA. And even if UEFA were not expecting Blitzer and Textor to take up that line of enquiry, if they had of done it would have been a compelling argument on their part that they have followed up on this by utilising an organisation that was set up to support football clubs in Europe, which is closely linked to UEFA.

It was probably like one of those frustrating and incredibly annoying emails you get from customer services that you're not allowed to reply to (and then the issue rarely gets resolved as you can't actually talk to anyone!)

 

[Foxy82]

I know it's now irrelevant to our predicament, but has anybody else read through Lyon's settlement agreement with the CFCB?

They agreed to inject €60m into the club by today (let's hope they missed this deadline!), and pay a €50m fine, spread across 4 years, of which only €12.5m is unconditional.

This, for a club that was reportedly over €500m in debt, just last November!

I've attached the full report, just in case anybody else wants to superheat their already boiling piss!

 

[est1905]

I know it's now irrelevant to our predicament, but has anybody else read through Lyon's settlement agreement with the CFCB?

They agreed to inject €60m into the club by today (let's hope they missed this deadline!), and pay a €50m fine, spread across 4 years, of which only €12.5m is unconditional.

This, for a club that was reportedly over €500m in debt, just last November!

I've attached the full report, just in case anybody else wants to superheat their already boiling piss!

Wouldn't that just show UEFA they backed the wrong horse if they miss todays deadline!

 

[Apollofuzz]

This is exactly what the Nottingham Forest owner is doing. Puts pressure on referees and UEFA. He seems to know how to play the game.

You mean the one that has "no influence" with the club due to his Blind shares, the one that writes to the FA about Gibbs White transfer, the one that runs on the pitch to have a go at his manager?

 

[Eaglecoops]

You mean the one that has "no influence" with the club due to his Blind shares, the one that writes to the FA about Gibbs White transfer, the one that runs on the pitch to have a go at his manager?

Yep, that’s the one. All that is bad about current football owners personified.

 

[NMPalace]

Borson said correctly that the idea of Textor being a 100% silent partner is nonsense - there was common share ownership on March 1, compliance instructions were sent by UEFA and the FA well in advance and we simply did not comply. We were sadly not expectant enough of European qualification to get our house in order in time, you can complain about the hoops but if you don't jump through them in time you lose - simples. We can only plea that we thought we were compliant (but weren't) and became compliant once we were told what steps needed to be taken - it's basically a plea for clemency which is unlikely to succeed. It maybe that Textor selling his shares has actually backfired when it should have helped us, but that logic seemingly has no effect legally. I'm starting to accept the Conference League situation, and it may work in our favour, though I did fancy an away day at one of the more glamourous clubs than the Athletico Arsendofbeyonds we will be going to.

Forest didn't comply until 29th April BTW, as per Companies House, so it appears this 1st March date has some flexibility built in as Forest thought they were fully complaint and why their fat chairman was on the pitch on 11th May reprimanding their manager

 

[silvertop]

I know it's now irrelevant to our predicament, but has anybody else read through Lyon's settlement agreement with the CFCB?

They agreed to inject €60m into the club by today (let's hope they missed this deadline!), and pay a €50m fine, spread across 4 years, of which only €12.5m is unconditional.

This, for a club that was reportedly over €500m in debt, just last November!

I've attached the full report, just in case anybody else wants to superheat their already boiling piss!

I have no desire to read this. Soz.

Does it expressly say that Lyon's status in Ligue 1 is conditional on these payments?

That is, if today's payment is missed, are they still in Ligue 2 and we are reinstated to EL?

 

[NEILLO]

Forest didn't comply until 29th April BTW, as per Companies House, so it appears this 1st March date has some flexibility built in as Forest thought they were fully complaint and why their fat chairman was on the pitch on 11th May reprimanding their manager

By placing his shares into a Blind Trust he could no longer participate in any financial affairs at Forest.

But he can - and did ! - continue to have access to the players and manager.

 

[Foxy82]

I have no desire to read this. Soz.

Does it expressly say that Lyon's status in Ligue 1 is conditional on these payments?

That is, if today's payment is missed, are they still in Ligue 2 and we are reinstated to EL?

I don't blame you!

It does explicitly state that should Lyon fail to meet the covenants (including the cash injection date) the settlement shall be null and void, and the club agrees to be excluded from the next UEFA club competition.

 

[ASCPFC]

I don't blame you!

It does explicitly state that should Lyon fail to meet the covenants (including the cash injection date) the settlement shall be null and void.

If you look at the cash injections again, however, they don't need to actually be there until October. They only need to be there in the form of promissory notes currently, in my reading of it.