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War in Ukraine

eaglesdare said:

Here's the full 40 min + video. It started off so well 😅
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Lindsey Graham coming out attacking Zelensky and backing Trump.

I don't think he believes a word of what he says because he's been so pro Ukraine.

But he's saving his backside politically.

Trump tweeting that Zelensky can come back to the White House only when he wants to sign a deal.

Tonight has been head spinning.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Ukraine didn't have limited capacity....they had the largest military in Europe (if you don't regard Russia as European that is). The west funded the build up of that army. The Ukrainian army was highly committed and up for the fight.

But the core of that army is now mostly in graveyards all over Ukraine.

If you knew the numbers.....and this was all said close to the start then there was never a realistic chance of Ukraine winning a long war.......Russia knew this, we knew this.....They either kicked Russia out in a couple of years or Russia collapsed economically.....they were always long shots.

There has been a complete denial of reality.
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That's not what I meant. They can be large, but if they are armed as badly as the Russians are then they're gonna get walked on.

They've been armed up with mostly gear past its sell by date or second hand, plus a lot of good kit but with limited supply or an export restriction. That's what I call limited.

For example, you know all those NLAWs we gave them? Due for scrapping, mostly overdue scrapping even.
 
Spindle said:
That's not what I meant. They can be large, but if they are armed as badly as the Russians are then they're gonna get walked on.

They've been armed up with mostly gear past its sell by date or second hand, plus a lot of good kit but with limited supply or an export restriction. That's what I call limited.

For example, you know all those NLAWs we gave them? Due for scrapping, mostly overdue scrapping even.
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All of that is true.

It speaks to the original....if unspoken war aim......which wasn't to beat Russia militarily, as that wasn't only dangerous but unrealistic....if it happened that was hitting the motherload and they would have tried to stop Ukraine entering Russia (what's happened in Kursk is a rural backwater when the war's already lost).....but what they counted on was collapsing Russia economically.

So they gave Ukraine enough to keep them in the fight....that appears to be what the Biden and European administrations settled on.....get rid of all the old stuff on payback deals (I doubt that ever happens) and order brand new shiny kit.....which will take years.

None of them think Russia is coming over the hill.....Except Poland....and you can't blame them for that.
 
Matov said:
Russia has not had capital punishment since 1996.
Russian conscription is for a single year. Almost the entirity of the Russian armed forces fighting in the special operation are volunteers.
Putin is elected.

Come on. You really have to do better than this.
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Lol

You believe this? Really?

Come on, you surely know better than that
 
Stirlingsays said:
All of that is true.

It speaks to the original....if unspoken war aim......which wasn't to beat Russia militarily, as that wasn't only dangerous but unrealistic....if it happened that was hitting the motherload and they would have tried to stop Ukraine entering Russia (what's happened in Kursk is a rural backwater when the war's already lost).....but what they counted on was collapsing Russia economically.

So they gave Ukraine enough to keep them in the fight....that appears to be what the Biden and European administrations settled on.....get rid of all the old stuff on payback deals (I doubt that ever happens) and order brand new shiny kit.....which will take years.

None of them think Russia is coming over the hill.....Except Poland....and you can't blame them for that.
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Lithuania doesn’t think Russia is coming over the hill. It knows it. So does Estonia
 
Mapletree said:
Lithuania doesn’t think Russia is coming over the hill. It knows it. So does Estonia
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Both Estonia and Lithuania are members of NATO, Syrup.....Not something I would have done but there you go.

I view a Russia/Nato war as highly unlikely.

But hey, plenty of people.....who never complained about our forces being reduced to a small force and turned into pride parades think that we should be fighting big wars.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Both Estonia and Lithuania are members of NATO, Syrup.....Not something I would have done but there you go.

I view a Russia/Nato war as highly unlikely.

But hey, plenty of people.....who never complained about our forces being reduced to a small force and turned into pride parades think that we should be fighting big wars.
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Which is why they will nibble not bite.
 
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