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War in Ukraine

DanH said:
Ukraine didn’t ask for this war. They got invaded.

I’m going to ask your neighbour to sit in your kitchen and not leave until you’ve done a deal with him that involves him getting to keep your kitchen forever and all future food shops you do.
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Are you telling me that if your neighbor came into your home and threatened you and your family with a gun you would not make a deal to stay alive?
 
DanH said:
Ukraine didn’t ask for this war. They got invaded.

I’m going to ask your neighbour to sit in your kitchen and not leave until you’ve done a deal with him that involves him getting to keep your kitchen forever and all future food shops you do.
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I've discussed the origins of this war for so long Dan that let's just say....that while I agree with you that Ukraine didn't want the actual war to start, they were led along a primrose path which made one much more likely.

Anyway, I hear you.....you are emotionally attached to the outcome of this war....Many people are.

So what about all the other wars Dan?

So should we be sending troops or three billion of our taxpayer money to Gaza? Should we be fighting with the Israelis or fighting with the Palestinians? Because right and wrong.

I say Lord Palmerson from the 19th century was right.....Stay out of big wars.
 
eaglesdare said:
Are you telling me that if your neighbor came into your home and threatened you and your family with a gun you would not make a deal to stay alive?
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If the neighbours called the police I don’t think the negotiators would be encouraging me just to sign over the deeds to my house and all my possessions to the intruder.

It’s also so telling that all you red pilled Trump supporters use American English spellings rather than British English. Seeped into your brains.
 
Rash prediction. Happy to be slated for getting it wrong. Zelensky will be gone within a week. Maybe even less. There is no coming back from this for him.
 
Matov said:
Why don't you think he is a 'good' guy? As opposed to who? Which western leaders are 'better' than Putin?

And he should give a damn about us. He has every reason to see the UK as an enemy of Russia given the amount of criminals, who stole BILLIONS, from Russia to have shelter in the UK.

British built, supplied and no doubt targetted missiles have landed in Russia and killed its citizens.
British special forces have been involved in destroying Russian infastructure such as the Nord Stream 2 pipe-line.
British naval forces have sunk Russian ships.

And yet I cannot see any single case of Russian missiles hitting the UK. Or Russian special forces blowing up infastructure here in the UK. Or British ships being sunk.

We are not the good guys in this.
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I have been thinking the same, also over the Middle East.

Russia could well be justified in retaliating in my view, and then where would we be.
 
Matov said:
When have British troops been deployed to Ukraine? When has that been announced in Parliament?

When has that been put forward as a manifesto pledge in an election?
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Outside of official confirmation, in my view we are balls deep in this.

I put this question to Grok, here is the response:

'Back in 2022, a former Commandant General of the Royal Marines, speaking at an event, let slip that British special forces had been deployed to Ukraine. He didn’t elaborate much, and the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) quickly went silent on it, refusing to confirm or deny. That’s their standard playbook—neither admit nor refute, just let the speculation simmer. Then, in 2023, those leaked Pentagon documents surfaced, claiming around 50 British special forces were in Ukraine between February and March that year. The leaks suggested they outnumbered special forces from other NATO countries by a wide margin. The MoD, predictably, wouldn’t comment on the specifics, calling it “private government material” or some such dodge.

As for operations inside Russia, it’s even sketchier. There’s no direct evidence—like a signed confession or declassified report—tying British special forces to actions across the border. But the speculation kicked up a notch with Ukraine’s incursion into Russia’s Kursk region in August 2024. Some posts on X and fringe outlets have claimed British-trained Ukrainian units, possibly with special forces guidance, were involved. The logic goes: the UK’s been heavily invested in training Ukrainian troops—over 50,000 by early 2025, per official statements—and the Kursk op showed a level of coordination that might hint at elite support. Russia’s restraint toward the UK, despite these whispers, has fueled theories they’re wary of escalating against a nuclear power with skin in the game.

The Kremlin’s thrown its own fuel on the fire, griping about British involvement—like their reaction to the UK’s 100-year security pact with Ukraine in January 2025, calling potential British bases “worrying.” They’ve never outright said “special forces are in Russia,” but they don’t have to—vague threats keep the narrative alive. Meanwhile, outlets like The Guardian and Declassified UK have pieced together these breadcrumbs, suggesting a low-key presence, but it’s all inference, no smoking gun.'
 
DanH said:
If the neighbours called the police I don’t think the negotiators would be encouraging me just to sign over the deeds to my house and all my possessions to the intruder.

It’s also so telling that all you red pilled Trump supporters use American English spellings rather than British English. Seeped into your brains.
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If if if. If a neighbor is holding a gun to my head. I'm certainly going to do whatever deal I can to stay alive and for my family.

Anyways have you booked your flights yet to the front line? You clearly want the war to continue Mr Putin supporter 👍🏻
 
Stirlingsays said:
Outside of official confirmation, in my view we are balls deep in this.

I put this question to Grok, here is the response:

'Back in 2022, a former Commandant General of the Royal Marines, speaking at an event, let slip that British special forces had been deployed to Ukraine. He didn’t elaborate much, and the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) quickly went silent on it, refusing to confirm or deny. That’s their standard playbook—neither admit nor refute, just let the speculation simmer. Then, in 2023, those leaked Pentagon documents surfaced, claiming around 50 British special forces were in Ukraine between February and March that year. The leaks suggested they outnumbered special forces from other NATO countries by a wide margin. The MoD, predictably, wouldn’t comment on the specifics, calling it “private government material” or some such dodge.

As for operations inside Russia, it’s even sketchier. There’s no direct evidence—like a signed confession or declassified report—tying British special forces to actions across the border. But the speculation kicked up a notch with Ukraine’s incursion into Russia’s Kursk region in August 2024. Some posts on X and fringe outlets have claimed British-trained Ukrainian units, possibly with special forces guidance, were involved. The logic goes: the UK’s been heavily invested in training Ukrainian troops—over 50,000 by early 2025, per official statements—and the Kursk op showed a level of coordination that might hint at elite support. Russia’s restraint toward the UK, despite these whispers, has fueled theories they’re wary of escalating against a nuclear power with skin in the game.

The Kremlin’s thrown its own fuel on the fire, griping about British involvement—like their reaction to the UK’s 100-year security pact with Ukraine in January 2025, calling potential British bases “worrying.” They’ve never outright said “special forces are in Russia,” but they don’t have to—vague threats keep the narrative alive. Meanwhile, outlets like The Guardian and Declassified UK have pieced together these breadcrumbs, suggesting a low-key presence, but it’s all inference, no smoking gun.'
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So the UK is sneaking around, acting as effectively terrorists? And people moan about Russia supposedly interfering in UK elections?
 
eaglesdare said:
If if if. If a neighbor is holding a gun to my head. I'm certainly going to do whatever deal I can to stay alive and for my family.

Anyways have you booked your flights yet to the front line? You clearly want the war to continue Mr Putin supporter 👍🏻
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Why do you Trump lot think that accusing others of what you are guilty of yourself is a winning tactic? He does it all the time.

It’s completely see through and utterly pathetic.
 
steeleye20 said:
I have been thinking the same, also over the Middle East.

Russia could well be justified in retaliating in my view, and then where would we be.
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Very much so. We have been stirring s*** up across the world for decades. With seemingly very, very, little come back on us. But we have also have some very smart people running the UK for a long time. But that has stopped a while ago.

Russia represents zero threats to the UK. Where as we present all kinds of threats to it. And I cannot, for the life of me, work out the why?
 
Stirlingsays said:
He wants what he sees as justice.

I don't agree with Dan but I can see the decency in it.

However, real life, as in politics, is the art of the possible.

And a denial of reality has brought us to this point.
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In an ideal world Putin is arrested for war crimes etc.. etc.. Ukraine gets all its land back etc... Russia pays Ukraine back etc....ukraine gets to join the EU / NATO etc... etc...

And of course Ukraine gets justice it deserves. I guess my point all along is it's not an ideal world and this is reality and Ukraine is not going to get the justice it deserves. It's not even going to get the deal it wants.

It's all about getting a peace deal soon so Ukraine don't get a worse deal down the road and to save lives. No more lambs to the slaughter.

Russia and Putin need to managed. You don't have to be friends with them but you also don't push their buttons and try to cause WW3.
 
I think the reaction to this will be huge.

I wonder where this leaves the mineral deal.

Where does this leave Zelensky? Does Zelensky leave Ukraine?

Does Europe take on Ukraine's security with him in place?

Massive events happening in front of our eyes.
 
DanH said:
If the neighbours called the police I don’t think the negotiators would be encouraging me just to sign over the deeds to my house and all my possessions to the intruder.

It’s also so telling that all you red pilled Trump supporters use American English spellings rather than British English. Seeped into your brains.
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I do wish you lot stopped moaning at this.

However, I note the low key English nationalism.....not that spellings are going to save us.
 
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