War in Ukraine

[Stirlingsays]

Why is Putin a 'gangster'?

As opposed to us? The UK is now literally nothing more than the worlds biggest money laundry. We allow the worlds major criminals to come here and put all their wealth into British banks. The Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, the various dependencies in the Caribbean.

Any single one of us can see the evidence with our own two eyes every day by just walking down your nearest high street and counting how many empty 'Turkish' barbers there are. Or take-away restaurants with bored looking illegals behind the counter.

The UK is literally an organised crime group. That is it.

Both Russia and Ukraine are incredibly corrupt......However, we know that west Ukraine (which is mostly western influenced) wants to be a part of the 'west'. Many of us think it's all economically bad business for actual taxpayers who are getting rinsed..... but hey, since when did someone saying we shouldn't get involved was actually listened to.....this is big money for corporations.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Once Russia invaded, they needed to be beaten out. It's fantasy to think that a utopia of Europe is possible with Putin in charge.

This wouldn't be the first oil war, nor the last.

So you want British soldiers dying over.....for who rules the Donbas? For a non Nato country?

If that's what you think fair enough, but if we are going to commit troops to die for this madness, then I would at least ask that this is presented to the public.

 

[Spindle]

Why is Putin a 'gangster'?

As opposed to us? The UK is now literally nothing more than the worlds biggest money laundry. We allow the worlds major criminals to come here and put all their wealth into British banks. The Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, the various dependencies in the Caribbean.

Any single one of us can see the evidence with our own two eyes every day by just walking down your nearest high street and counting how many empty 'Turkish' barbers there are. Or take-away restaurants with bored looking illegals behind the counter.

The UK is literally an organised crime group. That is it.

Might be to do with his 25 year long autocracy, conscription wars and general summary executions of whoever he fancies. I know that PMQs gets a bit heated occasionally but.....

 

[Spindle]

So you want British soldiers dying over.....for who rules the Donbas? For a non Nato country?

If that's what you think fair enough, but if we are going to commit troops to die for this madness, then I would at least ask that this is presented to the public.

Wouldn't have needed NATO troops on the ground. Ukraine has troops and you can see what they've done with limited capability. Putin couldn't wait to come to the table.

 

[totoshkin]

There is not a solution to this right now. Let’ s just watch the continued bloodbath. Russia won’t give up and Ukraine is finished because no one will risk WW3.

 

[Matov]

Once Russia invaded, they needed to be beaten out. It's fantasy to think that a utopia of Europe is possible with Putin in charge.

This wouldn't be the first oil war, nor the last.

Why is it fantasy? What downsides are there to having Russia more integrated with Europe? Putin openly said he wanted closer relations. Openly said he wanted to even join NATO. Putin came in and cleared out swathes of crooks who had robbed the Russian people blind (and a lot of them ended up in the UK and pouring a lot of money into politics here which explains hell of a lot). Putin over-saw a massive increase in the standard of living for the average Russian. Putin actually LEADS his nation.

And we get what? Johnson? Starmer? Macron? These people have done nothing other than weaken their nations. The only European 'leader' worthy of the title is Orban. The rest are just bought and paid for toadies.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Wouldn't have needed NATO troops on the ground. Ukraine has troops and you can see what they've done with limited capability. Putin couldn't wait to come to the table.

Ukraine didn't have limited capacity....they had the largest military in Europe (if you don't regard Russia as European that is). The west funded the build up of that army. The Ukrainian army was highly committed and up for the fight.

But the core of that army is now mostly in graveyards all over Ukraine.

If you knew the numbers.....and this was all said close to the start then there was never a realistic chance of Ukraine winning a long war.......Russia knew this, we knew this.....They either kicked Russia out in a couple of years or Russia collapsed economically.....they were always long shots.

There has been a complete denial of reality.

 

[eaglesdare]

I'm going to try find the full 40 min interview. It might add some context to the 6 minutes at the end everyone has seen.

 

[DanH]

Might be to do with his 25 year long autocracy, conscription wars and general summary executions of whoever he fancies. I know that PMQs gets a bit heated occasionally but.....

Those to the furthest right on here respect him for that though and would welcome an equivalent here.

It’s why there’s a range of sympathetic posting to overt support for him on here from those furthest to the right.

 

[Matov]

Might be to do with his 25 year long autocracy, conscription wars and general summary executions of whoever he fancies. I know that PMQs gets a bit heated occasionally but.....

Russia has not had capital punishment since 1996.
Russian conscription is for a single year. Almost the entirity of the Russian armed forces fighting in the special operation are volunteers.
Putin is elected.

Come on. You really have to do better than this.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes likewise.

All you want is the war to continue. The longer the war goes on the weaker Ukraine, the EU and NATO gets.
You are clearly a Putin sympathiser wanting the war to continue.

You’re nuts! No one at all wants the war to continue. Some want to end it with a secure peace. Others with a pause while they rearm. Yet others want it to end with a business deal with no concern for the consequences. Trump is as nuts as you. If anyone is taking us closer to WW3 it’s him. As for Vance my wife, who has no interest in politics, saw the exchanges and asked who is that ignorant and rude man?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Those to the furthest right on here respect him for that though and would welcome an equivalent here.

It’s why there’s a range of sympathetic posting to overt support for him on here from those furthest to the right.

Not this old chestnut again.

Putin isn't our friend.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Russia has not had capital punishment since 1996.
Russian conscription is for a single year. Almost the entirity of the Russian armed forces fighting in the special operation are volunteers.
Putin is elected.

Come on. You really have to do better than this.

No need for capital punishment when people throw themselves out of windows as soon as the State, or Mafia, decide you need to be eliminated.

 

[Matov]

Not this old chestnut again.

Putin isn't our friend.

I think he is smashing. I think he is very much our friend. All I have ever seen is a man who loves his country, has done his very best for the people who voted for him, and who has raised living standards for the average Russian multiples of times.

I like people like that.

And I am still waiting for a single valid reason why Putin represents any threat to me? It is not Putin allowing tens of thousands of criminals to land on the south coast of the UK. It is not Putin who is putting my taxes up to pay for this. It is not Putin allowing literal money laundering operations to dominate my local high street.

I wish we had a Putin like figure running the UK.

 

[Stirlingsays]

My issue is with European governance....everything gets bet on red.....when things go wrong the costs are massive. Covid, Ukraine are just examples of it.

Foreign policy should be far more conservative and less risky.

But making us all poorer just seems to be so popular.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think he is smashing. I think he is very much our friend. All I have ever seen is a man who loves his country, has done his very best for the people who voted for him, and who has raised living standards for the average Russian multiples of times.

I like people like that.

And I am still waiting for a single valid reason why Putin represents any threat to me? It is not Putin allowing tens of thousands of criminals to land on the south coast of the UK. It is not Putin who is putting my taxes up to pay for this. It is not Putin allowing literal money laundering operations to dominate my local high street.

I wish we had a Putin like figure running the UK.

Is Putin rational? Yes.

Is he a good guy.....Not in my opinion.

Has he improved Russia for the Russians over the mess it was in? Yep.

Is he our guy?....No, he doesn't give a damn about us. Sure he's a social conservative but we have our own here....and if we get nuked it isn't coming from Sweden.

Don't forget we have lost lads over there.

Do we need leaders with brains and common sense. Yes....but we aren't slavs.

 

[Matov]

My issue is with European governance....everything gets bet on red.....when things go wrong the costs are massive. Covid, Ukraine are just examples of it.

Foreign policy should be far more conservative and less risky.

But making us all poorer just seems to be so popular.

Yep. Where as Putin just makes the average Russian richer. It always makes me smile that the biggest impact of sanctions was to make lots of Russians invest their money back into Russia rather than sending it abroad. That will teach them.

It is staggering just how incompetent the people running much of the West are. Literallly 'punished' Russia by making it richer and then making us poorer. That will teach Moscow.

 

[DanH]

Not this old chestnut again.

Putin isn't our friend.

I think Matov’s posts and eaglesdare’s ‘like’s suggest that I may be right.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yep. Where as Putin just makes the average Russian richer. It always makes me smile that the biggest impact of sanctions was to make lots of Russians invest their money back into Russia rather than sending it abroad. That will teach them.

It is staggering just how incompetent the people running much of the West are. Literallly 'punished' Russia by making it richer and then making us poorer. That will teach Moscow.

Social liberals and the left can't play chess.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think Matov’s posts and eaglesdare’s ‘like’s suggest that I may be right.

Well, just like on the left, there are variations of agreement.

But I've always said I don't give a feck about Putin....I only care about us.

But the guy's smart and I can see how people admire that, but for me, smart people are two a penny.....what matters are making decisions that result in better outcomes.....all we do is virtue signal and end up paying more taxes and bills.