War in Ukraine

[Wisbech Eagle]

I don't give a damn about Russia and Russia don't give a damn about me...ditto for Ukraine.

However, now that Ukraine chose its path in thirty years its capital...Kiev (I'm old school) will look like London does today once the EU are done imposing their gifts of diversity and pride parades upon them.

But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902672856711827675

Whether you, or anyone else, cares about either Russia or Ukraine is spectacularly short sighted and besides the point.

It’s what a victory for Putin in Ukraine means for our future that is the point. Would Russia effectively bordering Poland be acceptable or would it be an outcome that ultimately threatens us too? If a line must be drawn surely it’s best to draw it early and as far away as possible.

Trusting Putin to keep his word is an established waste of time. Accepting he really only works for himself and his own visions means he cannot be trusted. That doesn’t require hate, but it does mean being realistic. Part of which requires that we can no longer trust the USA to keep its word.

 

[ASCPFC]

Whether you, or anyone else, cares about either Russia or Ukraine is spectacularly short sighted and besides the point.

It’s what a victory for Putin in Ukraine means for our future that is the point. Would Russia effectively bordering Poland be acceptable or would it be an outcome that ultimately threatens us too? If a line must be drawn surely it’s best to draw it early and as far away as possible.

Trusting Putin to keep his word is an established waste of time. Accepting he really only works for himself and his own visions means he cannot be trusted. That doesn’t require hate, but it does mean being realistic. Part of which requires that we can no longer trust the USA to keep its word.

Poland dislikes Russia and has a huge military. A far different scenario to Ukraine. Plus, obviously NATO. Whatever that means currently. The previous Polish government made their dislike of Russia and Belarus clear, but the current EU type Polish government has not made the same threatening overtones.

 

[beak]

The obvious choice as a peace keeping force is Turkey ,they have 4 million well train infantry and top rate hardware.

 

[Eaglehamster]

But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.

WTF has he done for the Russian people? He's just one of the oligarchs but one who wants to regain the Soviet empire to satisfy his massive ego.

 

[Stirlingsays]

But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.

WTF has he done for the Russian people? He's just one of the oligarchs but one who wants to regain the Soviet empire to satisfy his massive ego.

Go back and look at the state of Russia when he took over and then compare it to before this war.

As for your waffle about the 'Soviet empire' you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Turkey have a large land military and have offered to do the peace keeping role in Ukraine....but only if the EU accepts them in as members.

Yeah....I can see that going down well.

 

[ASCPFC]

Turkey have a large land military and have offered to do the peace keeping role in Ukraine....but only if the EU accepts them in as members.

Yeah....I can see that going down well.

The Ukrainians will love 10s of thousands of Turks and garland them with flowers and kisses.

 

[Stirlingsays]

AA with some interesting analysis on Starmer pledging troops to Ukraine.

 

[cryrst]

I don't give a damn about Russia and Russia don't give a damn about me...ditto for Ukraine.

However, now that Ukraine chose its path in thirty years its capital...Kiev (I'm old school) will look like London does today once the EU are done imposing their gifts of diversity and pride parades upon them.

But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902672856711827675

Wow look at all that clunge.
Russia looks ok as well 😳
Seriously WTF happened to us, what a cluster f*** this country is ffs.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Personally, I wouldn't bother fighting for Britain. Let alone have anything to do with Ukraine
Still, it's easy for these elites to spill someone else's blood.

 

[cryrst]

If I was on the beach and it was full of Muslims, Sikhs whites blacks etc facing the same way as me then I’m defending the shore.
Otherwise I’m on the whiskey waiting for the Big Bang I’m afraid.
You only get dead heroes !

 

[Stirlingsays]

Personally, I wouldn't bother fighting for Britain. Let alone have anything to do with Ukraine
Still, it's easy for these elites to spill someone else's blood.

I'd fight for the country I was raised in.

Not for what it became.

Let the left, minorities and neoliberals fight for it, because they own it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

If I was on the beach and it was full of Muslims, Sikhs whites blacks etc facing the same way as me then I’m defending the shore.
Otherwise I’m on the whiskey waiting for the Big Bang I’m afraid.
You only get dead heroes !

If you were lucky you'd get a couple of Sikhs and the occasional black.....Most of the Muslims would be on the boats coming in mate.

But the idea that you'd fight for those who'd fight for you is of course true.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Poland dislikes Russia and has a huge military. A far different scenario to Ukraine. Plus, obviously NATO. Whatever that means currently. The previous Polish government made their dislike of Russia and Belarus clear, but the current EU type Polish government has not made the same threatening overtones.

Do you think Ukraine likes Russia? It also has a military more than 3 times the size of Poland.

 

[ASCPFC]

Do you think Ukraine likes Russia? It also has a military more than 3 times the size of Poland.

No, except a small proportion of the population. I would think that's pretty obvious. And suddenly mobilising everyone is what's given Ukraine this - plus western weapons to an extent. If Poland mobilised they'd probably have around a million soldiers - again making it far more of a threat to Russia than Ukraine, which wasn't much of a threat to Russia itself. A Polish - Russian front - you think Ukraine would be tougher?
I think Poland have risen to be the seemingly best military in that East-Central Europe region. But you can always look it up if you like. Squadrons of Western jets, 1000s of tanks and armoured vehicles, American helicopters. Not sure if they still have national service but they likely do. Plus, historical hatred of the Russians over centuries.

 

[Eaglehamster]

Go back and look at the state of Russia when he took over and then compare it to before this war.

As for your waffle about the 'Soviet empire' you don't know what you're talking about.

So Putin been good for Russia. Good for the 1% that have 48% of the wealth which of course includes himself. So there was no Soviet empire? So what were Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Poland, Hungary Ukraine and so on part of ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

So Putin been good for Russia. Good for the 1% that have 48% of the wealth which of course includes himself. So there was no Soviet empire? So what were Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Poland, Hungary Ukraine and so on part of ?

As I said, go look at the economic situation in Russia before Putin came in and then compare it to before this war.

You seem to think I said there was no soviet empire? You don't seem to be able to understand statements. Listen go find someone else to discuss things with.

 

[Eaglehamster]

As I said, go look at the economic situation in Russia before Putin came in and then compare it to before this war.

You seem to think I said there was no soviet empire? You don't seem to be able to understand statements. Listen go find someone else to discuss things with.

Yep oil, and where did that wealth go?
Try being specific with your responses, instead of “waffle” which appears to be your favourite word. Your final comment, for once, makes total sense.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yep oil, and where did that wealth go?

You insist on still posting at me.

This is boring but as you insist:

I said Putin works for Russia, this is more true than any of its previous leaderships. Here is the explanation of that.

Firstly I have always stated that Russia is corrupt, just as Ukraine is corrupt so this idea that I'm meant to defend how the wealth is structured in Russia is ridiculous but that's what you seemed to think I was saying.

Ok, seeing as I have to explain this stuff to you here it goes. The 'oil' was obviously in Russia before Putin came to power. Russia has massive amounts of natural resources more gas than oil but natural earths too.

The way Russia was structured via communism meant that wealth levels never rose very high for the masses. The way Russia was structured after the Berlin wall came down under Yeltsin meant that the private oligarchs were given power over industry. This resulted in most of Russia's population being being poorer even than it was under communism.

When Putin came to power, he took industry away from those oligarchs he considered to be asset strippers and instead put in his own men. This doesn't mean that they weren't corrupt but they were certainly less so than before. The evidence of this is in how the standard of living within Russia went up after Putin took power. You don't appear to be aware of this or have bothered to look it up.

This doesn't mean that Putin doesn't feather his own nest....they pretty much all do in the eastern European states, Zelensky and co included. Putin's men still got rich, however the difference was that Putin ensured that the standard of living in Russia went up....he reduced but didn't end the corruption.

Nevertheless, he invested in infrastructure to sell resources to foreign states and indeed all that prior work he did is what's enabled the Russian economy to survive sanctions and still grow.....even though economically Russia is hurting.....then again so are we as my energy bill attests.

Try being specific with your responses, instead of “waffle” which appears to be your favourite word. Your final comment, for once, makes total sense.

Personally I would prefer it if you just didn't post at me as I don't regard you as a serious debater on this stuff.

 

[DanH]

Yep oil, and where did that wealth go?
Try being specific with your responses, instead of “waffle” which appears to be your favourite word. Your final comment, for once, makes total sense.

The free speech champion doesn’t like exchanging free speech with others when their free speech is right and his free speech is wrong.