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War in Ukraine
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Stirlingsays
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Compared to Biden and Europe who couldn't even get a phone call.....I did kind of predict that Russia aren't looking to end until later in the year.....When you follow the battlefield situation you can see why.
But according to you the Russians are so weak that it doesn't matter....and then in another post we apparently have to worry about them over-running Europe.
I get that you want the war to widen Spindle.
It may yet happen....considering that our leaders seem pretty keen on war at some point.
Not that it makes much sense to me.
Rather like the interregnum between WW one and WWtwo this is delaying the inevitable.Tweedledee looked at his watch, and said 'Half-past four.' 'Let's fight till six, and then have dinner,' said Tweedledum. 'Very well,' the other said, rather ... Lewis Carroll knew the inevitable would happen.
I don't think that he could locate his own posterior without Stormy Daniels help. Master liar more like.
We have a conscientious objector' I'm happy to supply tar and feathers.
Stirlingsays
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Glad to know you're conscripting.
As for me, try giving me that and find out what I object to.
The tar or the feathers..i'm not keen on guessing games.
Stirlingsays
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I'm not keen on reading your waffle but we get it all the time.
That reminds me you should be on ignore.....don't forget to sign up.
cryrst
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My first and tbh I don’t miss one of its posts 👍
Stirlingsays
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Europe's leaders have left Europe in the worst position possible on Ukraine.
They continually whine about others and direct their media proxies to run defence for them by supporting this finger pointing, yet it's their policies and the policies of their neo/socially liberal ideology that put us here.
What is even made explicit in Trump/Putin's press release is that America is looking to work with Russia post war economically. That leaves Europe not only with a large part of the bill of Ukraine (even the frozen assets would only cover five years) but with the security costs of being in confrontation with Russia......something that not even Europe directed in the first place as the whole 'Nato expansion' was a US State department project that we ran with.
Putin will end up with most of what he wanted and normalised relations with America while we get left with a large bill and continued high energy costs due to having to save face and continue sanctions on Russia.....Who were never coming over the hill anyway.
Globalist liberals are fecking useless.
They continually whine about others and direct their media proxies to run defence for them by supporting this finger pointing, yet it's their policies and the policies of their neo/socially liberal ideology that put us here.
What is even made explicit in Trump/Putin's press release is that America is looking to work with Russia post war economically. That leaves Europe not only with a large part of the bill of Ukraine (even the frozen assets would only cover five years) but with the security costs of being in confrontation with Russia......something that not even Europe directed in the first place as the whole 'Nato expansion' was a US State department project that we ran with.
Putin will end up with most of what he wanted and normalised relations with America while we get left with a large bill and continued high energy costs due to having to save face and continue sanctions on Russia.....Who were never coming over the hill anyway.
Globalist liberals are fecking useless.
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Forest Hillbilly
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The military might of the European Union was brutally exposed as a sham, with no cohesion between members whatsoever.
As Stirling says, this exposure of weakness, is likely to have significant knock-on effects for trade, particularly energy.
As Stirling says, this exposure of weakness, is likely to have significant knock-on effects for trade, particularly energy.
Spindle
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Why are you being so disingenuous with what I've said?
It would be like me saying that you want Russia to just take over Ukraine. Are you struggling with context or just not understanding?
Stirlingsays
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It would help if you were specific.
Your chest thumping over the weakness of Russia's military and inflation of our own capacities is me not understanding you? Is that what you are saying.
I could point to videos from ex military fighter jet trainers available on Youtube as flying as counter to your positioning on our own capacities.
Aircraft capacities are one thing, having the crew infrastructure to fly enough of them is another.....I've heard it said that our entire military is only capable of one operation. As soon as it suffers losses we don't have the capacity to replace technical or pilot staff let alone grunts on the ground.
Incredibly Europe's 'reassurance force' amounted to between 10 and 20 thousand.....About enough to fight in one of Ukraine's five regions. None of this coming with asking the public if they agree with the blood price cost.
Wisbech Eagle
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The only good thing to have emerged from yesterday’s “conversation, and its widely predicted outcome, is that the egg on Trump’s face will be brutally obvious to everyone.
His boasting lies in tatters. He now faces two choices, neither of which will do anything other than push his ratings down further, and we know ratings matter above everything else to him.
He either supports Ukraine to resist Russia or he gives Russia all they want. Which is essentially for Ukraine to become a satellite of Russia again.
Right now the latter seems much more likely than the former. Trump being seen as a loser is poor compensation for such an outcome.
History will not be kind to Trump.
His boasting lies in tatters. He now faces two choices, neither of which will do anything other than push his ratings down further, and we know ratings matter above everything else to him.
He either supports Ukraine to resist Russia or he gives Russia all they want. Which is essentially for Ukraine to become a satellite of Russia again.
Right now the latter seems much more likely than the former. Trump being seen as a loser is poor compensation for such an outcome.
History will not be kind to Trump.
From Jimmy Waffle himself that is very rich indeed.
Stirlingsays
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No, i don't want Russia to take over Ukraine. That isn't because I have a particular interest in which slav runs what over there more to do with the fact that Russia being up against the Polish border is asking for trouble.
What is clear is that what Russia wants is a pro Russian or neutral government in Ukraine.....I don't think a pro Russian government is realistic but a neutral one certainly could be and would benefit them economically (more realistically I think civil war happens there post peace).....they have a tough enough future ahead for them as it is.
Ukraine is a huge country and Russia taking it over while it's supplied with weapons and supported economically would take another two years....at least, maybe three. Even if all support ended it would take a year. On a cost benefit analysis it doesn't make sense.....No, at most they will demand the five regions they mostly control. As soon as Russia move into majority non ethnically Russian areas they would run into significantly extra costs.....and what benefit do they get? People forget just how expensive long wars get.
America is clearly looking to exit the conflict. Most of its aims in Ukraine have been realised and Trump wants to only concentrate on the US economy, internal conflicts and trade wars. Both Ukraine and Russia want to draw everything out and extract the maximum out of a peace deal.....Personally I think Trump will tire of it.....Essentially Trump wants to normalise with Russia for economic reasons and to counter BRICS and their support of Iran.
I think Ukraine will end up looking to Europe and that one will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Liz Kendall wants the youth to sign up to the Army.....considering how the left have treated men and the concept of nationhood I regard that as about as out of touch as it gets. They want to protect Ukraine's borders but not their own.
What is clear is that what Russia wants is a pro Russian or neutral government in Ukraine.....I don't think a pro Russian government is realistic but a neutral one certainly could be and would benefit them economically (more realistically I think civil war happens there post peace).....they have a tough enough future ahead for them as it is.
Ukraine is a huge country and Russia taking it over while it's supplied with weapons and supported economically would take another two years....at least, maybe three. Even if all support ended it would take a year. On a cost benefit analysis it doesn't make sense.....No, at most they will demand the five regions they mostly control. As soon as Russia move into majority non ethnically Russian areas they would run into significantly extra costs.....and what benefit do they get? People forget just how expensive long wars get.
America is clearly looking to exit the conflict. Most of its aims in Ukraine have been realised and Trump wants to only concentrate on the US economy, internal conflicts and trade wars. Both Ukraine and Russia want to draw everything out and extract the maximum out of a peace deal.....Personally I think Trump will tire of it.....Essentially Trump wants to normalise with Russia for economic reasons and to counter BRICS and their support of Iran.
I think Ukraine will end up looking to Europe and that one will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Liz Kendall wants the youth to sign up to the Army.....considering how the left have treated men and the concept of nationhood I regard that as about as out of touch as it gets. They want to protect Ukraine's borders but not their own.
You are the most prolific poster on here by a mile and usually post at biblical sleep inducing length. The tedium.
Nationalism for thee but not for me. 😀
Stirlingsays
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If I remember correctly sometime before the war the Guardian was writing articles complaining about Nazis in Ukraine.
But once the war started suddenly they don't exist. They are happy to support the nationalists in Ukraine when they are dying fighting the Russians but when it comes to Britain....it's you're an extremist if you even support the idea of Britain as European.
Watching the 'anywheres' in the Labour movement getting all steamed up over Ukraine has more than the hint of irony to it.
They couldn't give a damn about our own country and wouldn't sign up themselves or let their sons sign up.....but they just hate Russia because they aren't liberal.
Stirlingsays
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I don't give a damn about Russia and Russia don't give a damn about me...ditto for Ukraine.
However, now that Ukraine chose its path in thirty years its capital...Kiev (I'm old school) will look like London does today once the EU are done imposing their gifts of diversity and pride parades upon them.
But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.
However, now that Ukraine chose its path in thirty years its capital...Kiev (I'm old school) will look like London does today once the EU are done imposing their gifts of diversity and pride parades upon them.
But apparently I'm meant to hate Russia because Putin works for Russia rather than globalists.