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War in Ukraine

I'm impressed that Trump's working towards a settlement, yes....Do I think he succeeds? I hope so but I doubt it in the short term.

All this hard man posturing with Putin is only resulting in Ukraine losing more territory by the day. What exactly are you expecting to change in Ukraine by constantly virtue signalling about evil Russians. As stated previously if you can't stand them go fight them.

You seem to believe everything which the establishment tells you, when if you thought more critically you'd perhaps realise that they only tell you one side of the story.....there are lies on both sides.

I say to you why should I care if Putin wins this war? What difference does that make? Even if I cared either way anyone with more than two brain cells would understand what the real cost would be to win this war.....How would you justify our involvement to the families of our dead soldiers families.....Fighting for slavs in a war that gains them nothing.

You call it 'Putin's invasion' and yes unfortunately he invaded. However, why did the CIA spend 5 billion in 2014 helping overturn Ukraine's democratically elected government? (that's hypothetical we know why they did) That was always going to lead to conflict in Ukraine as the east of the country are Ukrainians but are also largely ethnic Russians. There's this make believe that Zelensky represented all of Ukraine when the reality is he represented the western and central parts. The units that started the civil war in 2014 were Ukrainian units, not Russian ones.

No one actually wanted war and Putin warned about these western interventions many years before an invasion.....Yet you present things like everything started in 2022, which is exactly how it's presented in the media.

Why is there this assumption that my country should be intervening around the world? We don't have the military, we don't have the money nor do we have the full story due to one way narratives.
I wonder what sort of "settlement" is likely when Ukraine is excluded from the talks?
I say to you why should I care if Putin wins this war? What difference does that make?
What difference did it make when Germany invaded Poland?
If the CIA played a part in overturning a democratically (really?) elected government, you might want to consider Moscow's involvement in selecting the governments of several other former Soviet satellite states?
The seemingly easy option is to let Putin get his own way, I agree, but what will that mean for the medium and longer term for all Europe not just Ukraine?
 
Amazing the first sign of peace talks and the EU, NATO, Labour and Zelensky get their knickers in a twists.

No wonder Trump wants to bypass the war mongers.
 
Amazing the first sign of peace talks and the EU, NATO, Labour and Zelensky get their knickers in a twists.

No wonder Trump wants to bypass the war mongers.
In fairness, I don't think anyone can blame Zelensky. The others needed to either fully commit or not, so that's their problem.
Out of their hands now, unless they want to come up with a couple of hundred thousand troops, a couple of squadrons of jets and a couple of armoured brigades.
 
Amazing the first sign of peace talks and the EU, NATO, Labour and Zelensky get their knickers in a twists.

No wonder Trump wants to bypass the war mongers.

So you believe the country who’s been invaded should be excluded from peace talks?

And that’s a perfectly acceptable, logical thing to do, is it?

Honestly I read through these threads and the mind just boggles.
 
So you believe the country who’s been invaded should be excluded from peace talks?

And that’s a perfectly acceptable, logical thing to do, is it?

Honestly I read through these threads and the mind just boggles.

It's acceptable and logical if they are not interested in peace talks.

If they want peace and an end to the war I am sure they would have been invited.
 
There are occasions when doing nothing is the best policy and other times swift action is needed.

History will determine which is the right course of action. Pre Trunk US immigration was unsustainable, WOKE ideology was stifling the wars in Ukraine and Gaza were meandering along with more death and destruction every day.

My sense is kicking the can down the road is not the best plan forward. Something needed to happen to change the direction everything was headed. Trump has done that for better or worse, we shall see what the outcomes bring.
 
Amazing the first sign of peace talks and the EU, NATO, Labour and Zelensky get their knickers in a twists.

No wonder Trump wants to bypass the war mongers.
Trump isn’t thinking. He is just doing. He isn’t “bypassing war mongers”. He is excluding allies and destroying a long established partnership. No peace deal can be agreed without Ukraine and I cannot perceive them agreeing one without the approval of NATO. Not just the USA.

Trump doesn’t have a strategy beyond his desire to save money now and to let tomorrow take care of itself. It’s no different than on climate change.

I hope the US military high command are getting prepared to have a very serious chat with their Commander in Chief. Someone needs to.
 
The likely outcome would be peace and lives saved.
Until Putin rebuilds and reequips his army when he would simply ignore any agreements he has signed and start again, risking a direct confrontation with all who provide the peacekeeping. To ensure that doesn’t happen would be very costly for us. Win win for Putin. He gets more than he hoped for without having to make any concessions.

Great deal making Donald!
 
It's acceptable and logical if they are not interested in peace talks.

If they want peace and an end to the war I am sure they would have been invited.
Nuts! Everyone wants peace. It’s on what terms that matters. When you cannot trust one signatory to ever keep their word that is very difficult to negotiate. I wouldn’t trust Putin with a feather duster. Nor Trump come to that.
 
There are occasions when doing nothing is the best policy and other times swift action is needed.

History will determine which is the right course of action. Pre Trunk US immigration was unsustainable, WOKE ideology was stifling the wars in Ukraine and Gaza were meandering along with more death and destruction every day.

My sense is kicking the can down the road is not the best plan forward. Something needed to happen to change the direction everything was headed. Trump has done that for better or worse, we shall see what the outcomes bring.
Kicking the can down the road is much better than simply appeasing an exhausted aggressor thus enabling them to take a breath, rebuild and go again.

In Gaza Trump has come up with a crazy, ill thought through idea which makes everything worse. Providing security guarantees for both parties, allowing the Palestinians to rebuild their own homes and businesses with the support of the international community via the UN, with strict controls over the import of weapons, military training, tunnel building etc could be a way forward. Israel won’t accept anything like that though.
 
It's acceptable and logical if they are not interested in peace talks.

If they want peace and an end to the war I am sure they would have been invited.
Jeez! Of course they want an end to the war they didn’t start. But what they are seeing now are Putin’s terms being agreed and their own not just ignored but not even voiced.
Can you imagine this situation if it was Russia being left out?
 
Jeez! Of course they want an end to the war they didn’t start. But what they are seeing now are Putin’s terms being agreed and their own not just ignored but not even voiced.
Can you imagine this situation if it was Russia being left out?
Everyone and their dog knows that it's a proxy war between he US and Russia.

All we want is peace. Somthing that hasn't been talked about since before the war started. If the EU, NATO and Ukraine arnt will to even talk peace to save lives then it's up to the adults to do that.
 

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