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cryrst said:
Maybe be a start would be trying to talk them out of it. That was a thing that was banned ( not sure the saying) so it is illegal to discuss any negatives.
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Simply untrue, even if “talking them out of it” is not how it is approached being the prejudicial attitude it is. Counselling, including time for reflection, is very much a major part of the support.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Since you claim to be right wing yourself that's quite an indictment.
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I am centre right, not far right or left. As perceived in the real world.

When referring to right wing posters on the HOL you know who I mean. Those who think I am a raving leftie only because they are so far to the right. Who would be perceived as far right, or worse, in the real world.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I am centre right, not far right or left. As perceived in the real world.

When referring to right wing posters on the HOL you know who I mean. Those who think I am a raving leftie only because they are so far to the right. Who would be perceived as far right, or worse, in the real world.
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It could well be that nuance is lost in a short post which creates the impression of more extreme views than in reality. Similarly the difference between large and small c conservatism can get blurred. There is also the point that some can get more strident in expressing an opinion the longer a thread goes on and a vaguely held position becomes more deeply entrenched.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
As stated. Your link is purely subjective. Nothing you've provided states that these procedures haven't been carried out on those too young to take such a life changing decision. Adults can take whatever action they choose, although in this case it's often with disastrous results. The effect on young teenagers will be even more disastrous.
As also previously stated you're wrong.
Hold your hand up. Not that that you ever will.
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What procedures?

You, along with the “report” from the right wing think tank you are relying on are making assumptions. The assumption being that the surgeries they have discovered and decided to exploit are directly related to gender dysphoria. There is no evidence at all that this is true.

The other analysis suggests otherwise and indicates that concerns are unwarranted.

From all I can see any early interventions are to avoid harm, rather than to cause it. That adults can take their own decisions doesn’t mean we should, or do, just abandon care as they pass an age milestone. Reducing stigmas, such as those on full display in this thread, would be a welcome contribution to reducing social pressures and, quite possibly, the number of suicides.

Who is wrong in this is clearly just a matter of opinion. Mine being it isn’t me!
 
Apparently some think you can claim to be conservative, when the only conservativism you exhibit concerns your personal bank balance.

By their fruits you shall know them.

Or their worrying back history with gas appliances.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
What procedures?

You, along with the “report” from the right wing think tank you are relying on are making assumptions. The assumption being that the surgeries they have discovered and decided to exploit are directly related to gender dysphoria. There is no evidence at all that this is true.

The other analysis suggests otherwise and indicates that concerns are unwarranted.

From all I can see any early interventions are to avoid harm, rather than to cause it. That adults can take their own decisions doesn’t mean we should, or do, just abandon care as they pass an age milestone. Reducing stigmas, such as those on full display in this thread, would be a welcome contribution to reducing social pressures and, quite possibly, the number of suicides.

Who is wrong in this is clearly just a matter of opinion. Mine being it isn’t me!
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You keep creating and then attacking your own strawman arguments. It's not about any stigma or prejudice against anyone. Nor is it remotely "far right".
My position is that no one considered too young to legally buy a bottle of beer should be involved in any surgical procedure of this kind.
 
Badger11 said:
On the BBS stupidest comment about the threat of tariffs on Canada. "There is no large scale illegal immigration problem from Canada so why is he doing it?"

Err with Canada it's not illegals that Trump is worried about but the importation of illegal drugs across the border that is killing American youth. Until now Trudeau didn't seem that bothered about stopping it in druggie Canada, well he is now.
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From all I have read there is a tiny problem of drugs crossing the border. One that Canada has no interest in promoting, every interest in stopping and had already stepped up its response for. The “plan” that Trump claims credit for was already in place!

Drugs was the excuse, not the reason. Cross border cooperation is what’s required. Not bully boy tactics by a big mouth the net result of which will be increasing hostility in Canada towards the USA.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I read the comments from Trump and it's essentially what has been said by many of us from the start of this....Greater Israel....Ka Ching, amazing what funding the politicians on both sides can get you isn't it....heads you win, tails you win....all that varies is how much you win.

However, while I heard what Trump said, what I didn't hear was just how he would do it without US servicemen dying for the Israeli's state preferred outcomes.

I'm anti involvement in other people's wars.
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I was thinking the same. Stay out of other people's wars.

Although this could be the only way to have a lasting peace in the middle east. Somthing different to the last how ever many years the conflict has been going on.

Anyways if the libtards are in a fuss over it then it must be a good thing.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
You keep creating and then attacking your own strawman arguments. It's not about any stigma or prejudice against anyone. Nor is it remotely "far right".
My position is that no one considered too young to legally buy a bottle of beer should be involved in any surgical procedure of this kind.
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As I don’t believe they are I think, as do those who wrote the objective analysis, there is no need for any concern.

If you don’t see any stigma or prejudice in the attitudes on display here on this subject, from people who hold what most consider far right political views, then you need to go to Specsavers!

If you think that such views don’t have an impact on those suffering from gender dysphoria, who are now fearful of the way society regards them, then think again! They do!

If you don’t think that society not showing care, compassion and understanding for people suffering from anything they have no control over doesn’t impact their mental health which, in turn, increases the risk of suicide rather than decrease it, then think again. It does!
 
eaglesdare said:
I was thinking the same. Stay out of other people's wars.

Although this could be the only way to have a lasting peace in the middle east. Somthing different to the last how ever many years the conflict has been going on.

Anyways if the libtards are in a fuss over it then it must be a good thing.
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If you think this is a way to create a lasting peace in the Middle East you are as crazy as Trump.

It’s akin to throwing a match into a box of fireworks. You must hope the flame dies out before the whole lot explodes.
 
eaglesdare said:
I was thinking the same. Stay out of other people's wars.

Although this could be the only way to have a lasting peace in the middle east. Somthing different to the last how ever many years the conflict has been going on.

Anyways if the libtards are in a fuss over it then it must be a good thing.
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Maybe Trump could ask Musk to relocate both the Palestinians and the Israelis to Mars.....there they could fight over rust coloured rocks and we could give Palestine to the Scientologists.....Cruise then could make a massively expensive movie about it and lose lots of money.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
It could well be that nuance is lost in a short post which creates the impression of more extreme views than in reality. Similarly the difference between large and small c conservatism can get blurred. There is also the point that some can get more strident in expressing an opinion the longer a thread goes on and a vaguely held position becomes more deeply entrenched.
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I accept that. For the record I don’t believe you to be far right. Others here are though. Some are extremely far right.

Intemperate language is what makes me angry. In this thread the use of “mutilation” to describe the work of surgeons.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
As I don’t believe they are I think, as do those who wrote the objective analysis, there is no need for any concern.

If you don’t see any stigma or prejudice in the attitudes on display here on this subject, from people who hold what most consider far right political views, then you need to go to Specsavers!

If you think that such views don’t have an impact on those suffering from gender dysphoria, who are now fearful of the way society regards them, then think again! They do!

If you don’t think that society not showing care, compassion and understanding for people suffering from anything they have no control over doesn’t impact their mental health which, in turn, increases the risk of suicide rather than decrease it, then think again. It does!
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Once again with the "if"s. I have put my opinion without any of those conditions being included and until the last few years it was a situation that I would barely have registered.
 
Was interested in Trump's assertion that he wants Greenland, and now he wants to take over Gaza and the West Bank. Telling the locals to find new homes in other countries whilst he morph's it into the Riviera.

i would like to see Trump's ideas for renovating Port Talbot, and perhaps places like Bradford and Luton.
 
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