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Teddy Eagle said:
Not when there is a determination to turn this into an ideological issue. For me it's always been about the age of those concerned, not the actual procedure(s) and accusations of prejudice and ignorance are, frankly, bizarre when these are teenagers involved. Adults have complete agency and can do whatever they choose with and to their bodies.
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As was clearly indicated a while ago the genuine research suggested there is no reason for concern over the age at which teenagers are allowed to make decisions. I cannot imagine surgery of this kind being recommended for a child in any circumstances other than a medical necessity. It’s just not tenable.

You can dismiss the insulting language directed at the clinicians involved, but I don’t. It debases the whole debate. These are people who devote their lives to helping others, and sign an oath to uphold standards. So prejudice and ignorance needs to be called out and there is a lot of it on display in this thread.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
As was clearly indicated a while ago the genuine research suggested there is no reason for concern over the age at which teenagers are allowed to make decisions. I cannot imagine surgery of this kind being recommended for a child in any circumstances other than a medical necessity. It’s just not tenable.

You can dismiss the insulting language directed at the clinicians involved, but I don’t. It debases the whole debate. These are people who devote their lives to helping others, and sign an oath to uphold standards. So prejudice and ignorance needs to be called out and there is a lot of it on display in this thread.
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Your not being able to imagine it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
  • Genital surgeries
    Between 2019 and 2021, 56 genital surgeries were performed on patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis
  • Mastectomies
    In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis
 
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So now we are about to see Trump claiming victory for his bully boy tactics, which he will suggest is simply his deal making skills, as both Mexico and Canada pander to his demands and put more resources at their border with the USA.

Meanwhile the world’s financial markets are consumed by uncertainty.

Of course those under threat often have to take pragmatic decisions when faced with a bully. That’s just a short term expediency. What happens long term though when trust is broken?

If you cannot trust a partner you look for better ones. This style of Trump is throwing out the welcome mat to China. It’s beyond stupid. It’s lunacy. This could end up not as “America First” but as America alone. People deal with bullies by grouping together so they are collectively stronger than them.

Evaluating everything by the single metric of how it will benefit the USA isn’t going to win you new friends either. It’s so short sighted it beggars belief that any serious politician would consider it. Neither Trump nor Musk are though serious politicians.

Just look at what they are doing to foreign aid! People will starve, drink dirty water and die because of this.

www.bbc.co.uk

Democrats say Trump's efforts to shutter USAID 'unconstitutional' - live updates

The headquarters of the foreign aid organisation USAID has been closed, as the US president moves to slash its funding and workforce.
www.bbc.co.uk

If Trump offers the UK a trade deal after treating others like this I would refuse it until he came to his senses.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Your not being able too imagine it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
  • Genital surgeries
    Between 2019 and 2021, 56 genital surgeries were performed on patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis
  • Mastectomies
    In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis
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Where?

From what source?

For what reasons?

For patient confidentiality reasons I very much doubt the last question is capable of being answered, but let’s see.

Without an answer though any assumptions are meaningless.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Where?

From what source?

For what reasons?

For patient confidentiality reasons I very much doubt the last question is capable of being answered, but let’s see.

Without an answer though any assumptions are meaningless.
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Where: America. The subject of the thread.
Source: AI distillation of available figures.
Reason: Diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

If you dispute the figures then provide your own.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Where: America. The subject of the thread.
Source: AI distillation of available figures.
Reason: Diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

If you dispute the figures then provide your own.
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Kindly advise the exact wording of the request you gave to AI. When I asked how many genital surgeries had been conducted on teenagers in the USA the reply was it was unable to provide that data and that I should approach health organisations.

A diagnosis of gender dysphoria is by far insufficient to claim that was the reason for surgery. A running theme throughout this is the sense that some seem to think that surgeries undertaken for those suffering from these conditions are little more than cosmetic in nature. That’s not true in the UK and cannot be true in the USA either. They would only ever be considered when they are the least worse option available, which for a child would only be in the most extreme circumstances and done after comprehensive investigations by a multi disciplinary team of many specialists. A child would have to be at greater risk from not having surgery than from having it. Something I think so rare as to be almost non existent.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Will DOGE reveal corruption at the heart of the system?......I suspect so personally.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886471295530922279
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I think it's more about loony left policies rather than outright corruption.

The mail had a list of stuff that USAID has been funding around the world no wonder Trump is spitting feathers.

It's one thing to fund food or medicines for the poor, it's quite another to spend millions on trans people in countries where I suspect the next meal is far more important than what my gender is.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Kindly advise the exact wording of the request you gave to AI. When I asked how many genital surgeries had been conducted on teenagers in the USA the reply was it was unable to provide that data and that I should approach health organisations.

A diagnosis of gender dysphoria is by far insufficient to claim that was the reason for surgery. A running theme throughout this is the sense that some seem to think that surgeries undertaken for those suffering from these conditions are little more than cosmetic in nature. That’s not true in the UK and cannot be true in the USA either. They would only ever be considered when they are the least worse option available, which for a child would only be in the most extreme circumstances and done after comprehensive investigations by a multi disciplinary team of many specialists. A child would have to be at greater risk from not having surgery than from having it. Something I think so rare as to be almost non existent.
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Non existent?

 
eaglesdare said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1886529228193022429

And there we have it. Bringing nations like Canada and Mexico to heel.

I can't wait to see what he does with Europe and the UK now!

#GoldenAge
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You are as deluded as Trump. That takes some effort.

Canada and Mexico are playing with Trump. Massaging his enormous ego with flattery in public whilst quietly working with the rest of the international community to minimise the damage.

Ultimately the ones to suffer most from this stupidity are the Americans. We all suffer of course but trust destroyed overnight will take years, if ever, to be rebuilt. If you were a Canadian would you now buy American goods if there is an alternative?

I will get an electric car in the next year. It won’t be a Tesla. It will probably be from China.

A friend of mine has vowed not to holiday again in the USA until he has gone.

Small on their own but anti American sentiment is going to become a very significant factor whilst Trump remains.
 
Badger11 said:
I think it's more about loony left policies rather than outright corruption.

The mail had a list of stuff that USAID has been funding around the world no wonder Trump is spitting feathers.

It's one thing to fund food or medicines for the poor, it's quite another to spend millions on trans people in countries where I suspect the next meal is far more important than what my gender is.
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You got that from the Mail?

You believe it?

I think the importance of the work that is funded by USAID and the impact of it suddenly being withdrawn outweighs by a huge margin any tiny controversial programme the Mail might have discovered in a corner.

This is cruel, selfish and totally bereft of compassion. It is also unbelievably stupid for it will engender hatred in the hearts of those who previously looked up to the USA as their role model.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Non existent?

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You haven’t answered the questions!

That young people with gender dysphoria seek and receive treatment is not in dispute. Most receive counselling, some receive hormone treatments, primarily puberty blockers. Rarely, some will undergo surgery. Why they will, is another matter, as is what it might be.

The data you just provided appears to be identical to that in your very first attempt, using an extrapolation of information from insurance claims to reach a conclusion on how many were made for surgery by those suffering from gender dysphoria.

You asked me for my own data! I don’t have any but this seems a more scientific and balanced analysis:-

Prevalence of Gender-Affirming Surgical Procedures Among Minors and Adults in the US - PMC

This cross-sectional study uses a national dataset to examine the prevalence of gender-affirming surgical procedures among minors and adults in the US.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The conclusion is relevant:-

“In this cross-sectional study of a national insured population in 2019, there were no gender-affirming procedures conducted on TGD minors aged 12 years and younger, and procedures on TGD minors older than 12 were rare and almost entirely chest-related procedures. Additionally, when considering breast reductions among cisgender males and TGD people—a surgery that can be considered gender-affirming among both populations—most were performed on cisgender males. Thus, these findings suggest that concerns around high rates of gender-affirming surgery use, specifically among TGD minors, may be unwarranted. Low use by TGD people likely reflects adherence to stringent standards of gender-affirming care.”
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You haven’t answered the questions!

That young people with gender dysphoria seek and receive treatment is not in dispute. Most receive counselling, some receive hormone treatments, primarily puberty blockers. Rarely, some will undergo surgery. Why they will, is another matter, as is what it might be.

The data you just provided appears to be identical to that in your very first attempt, using an extrapolation of information from insurance claims to reach a conclusion on how many were made for surgery by those suffering from gender dysphoria.

You asked me for my own data! I don’t have any but this seems a more scientific and balanced analysis:-

Prevalence of Gender-Affirming Surgical Procedures Among Minors and Adults in the US - PMC

This cross-sectional study uses a national dataset to examine the prevalence of gender-affirming surgical procedures among minors and adults in the US.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The conclusion is relevant:-

“In this cross-sectional study of a national insured population in 2019, there were no gender-affirming procedures conducted on TGD minors aged 12 years and younger, and procedures on TGD minors older than 12 were rare and almost entirely chest-related procedures. Additionally, when considering breast reductions among cisgender males and TGD people—a surgery that can be considered gender-affirming among both populations—most were performed on cisgender males. Thus, these findings suggest that concerns around high rates of gender-affirming surgery use, specifically among TGD minors, may be unwarranted. Low use by TGD people likely reflects adherence to stringent standards of gender-affirming care.”
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As usual your source is unimpeachable while all others are disputed because they don't fit your argument.
My point is that young people should not undergo surgical procedures and however you try to dress it up they have.
The answer will no doubt be as unthinkable as accepting the truth on the matter but is very simple; you're wrong.
 
i was worried about American politics morally impacting my choice of electric car. Think I'll get an electric car from China, because their working conditions are exemplary, they have an excellent record on Human Rights (particularly in Hong Kong), they are not looking to expand their territories much, and their industries serves as an example of how to ditch fossil fuels and utilise renewable energy.

And Chinese stuff is cheaper
 
Badger11 said:
I think it's more about loony left policies rather than outright corruption.

The mail had a list of stuff that USAID has been funding around the world no wonder Trump is spitting feathers.

It's one thing to fund food or medicines for the poor, it's quite another to spend millions on trans people in countries where I suspect the next meal is far more important than what my gender is.
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Your summary is probably more accurate.

It's using American taxpayer's money to fund a particular ideology within foreign countries to spread it using NGOs and the like (a very dishonest practice). It can be correctly argued that America has always implemented a form of this and my....and the right in general's only issue with it is that we don't agree with the gay race communism ideology that is being funded and thus pushed globally. If you go down the rabbit hole of why it's happening and where the source of it comes from....Well, it's spicy but to be non controversial it's definitely true that the majority of donor 'elites' in the west now push this on about a three to one ratio as the election funding breakdown showed......In fact the split in elites has only come in America from the paypal mafia and we still await it in Europe.

Lastly I would add that what the 'America first' doctrine finds equally abhorrent about the use of these taxpayer and borrowed funding is the sheer size of it. I agree with Trump on him putting his own nation first much more than decades of globally minded presidents have done and re-directing a percent of that spending inwards or just cutting it.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
i was worried about American politics morally impacting my choice of electric car. Think I'll get an electric car from China, because their working conditions are exemplary, they have an excellent record on Human Rights (particularly in Hong Kong), they are not looking to expand their territories much, and their industries serves as an example of how to ditch fossil fuels and utilise renewable energy.

And Chinese stuff is cheaper
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That's all very well but...Trump. Buying a plug-in car from America is only propping up his evil empire. Any claim that China has ever done anything remotely questionable is just repeating extreme right wing Daily Mail propaganda.
 
You know President Trump is doing well and makes the right decision when the looney lefties get riled up.

He is getting so much done and so fast they can't keep up and don't know what to be outraged by next 😀

Anyways I think I might just book a holiday to the US and buy a Tesla 😃
 
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