US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

As usual your source is unimpeachable while all others are disputed because they don't fit your argument.
My point is that young people should not undergo surgical procedures and however you try to dress it up they have.
The answer will no doubt be as unthinkable as accepting the truth on the matter but is very simple; you're wrong.

It’s not “my” source. It’s a source which makes a cogent argument rather than political points.

Of course young people need to undergo surgical procedures on occasions. On that you aren’t simply wrong. Your statement is ridiculous.

The only question is why. If you read the argument you will understand the reasons rather better. To assume they are as a result of young people being allowed, or worse, encouraged to take their own decisions before they are mature enough to do so, is an insult to the medical professionals involved. On that you are totally wrong.

If avoiding someone self harming themselves requires a surgical intervention then, very occasionally, I can imagine a MDT reluctantly recommending it. Avoiding self harm not being to rectify gender dysphoria. Do you want that to be unlawful? Seriously?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s not “my” source. It’s a source which makes a cogent argument rather than political points.

Of course young people need to undergo surgical procedures on occasions. On that you aren’t simply wrong. Your statement is ridiculous.

The only question is why. If you read the argument you will understand the reasons rather better. To assume they are as a result of young people being allowed, or worse, encouraged to take their own decisions before they are mature enough to do so, is an insult to the medical professionals involved. On that you are totally wrong.

If avoiding someone self harming themselves requires a surgical intervention then, very occasionally, I can imagine a MDT reluctantly recommending it. Avoiding self harm not being to rectify gender dysphoria. Do you want that to be unlawful? Seriously?

It's "your" source in as much as it's the one to which you provided a link.
What about the incidence of self-harm among those who've undergone this surgery which is significantly higher than the norm.

Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery - PMC

Introduction With the growing acceptance of transgender individuals, the number of gender affirmation surgeries has increased. Transgender individuals face elevated depression rates, leading to an increase in suicide ideation and attempts. This ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[cryrst]

It's "your" source in as much as it's the one to which you provided a link.
What about the incidence of self-harm among those who've undergone this surgery which is significantly higher than the norm.

Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery - PMC

Introduction With the growing acceptance of transgender individuals, the number of gender affirmation surgeries has increased. Transgender individuals face elevated depression rates, leading to an increase in suicide ideation and attempts. This ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I said this a while ago and the timeline I heard from a PROFESSOR on the subject was 15/20 years before they swing.
In the last 5 years 100s if not 1000s of these procedures have been carried out.
Clearly certain posters may not be here to eat the humble pie !

 

[Eagleman13]

When will posters realise, that the POTUS Cornwall branch, is the be all & end all of everything. The lord knows everything & knows nothing about anything.

Still, he is a source of amusement to anyone who is 'apparently devoid of any intellect'
Yes, I have blocked his inane ramblings. Is there hope for such a 'advanced landlord', hmmm, who knows, who really cares

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's "your" source in as much as it's the one to which you provided a link.
What about the incidence of self-harm among those who've undergone this surgery which is significantly higher than the norm.

Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery - PMC

Introduction With the growing acceptance of transgender individuals, the number of gender affirmation surgeries has increased. Transgender individuals face elevated depression rates, leading to an increase in suicide ideation and attempts. This ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I provided a link to something that appears to be written objectively. Research seeking conclusions rather than conclusions seeking support.

The link you provide is to data that covers adults taking their own decisions and indicates how much is unknown and needs to be better understood. However any MDT faced with a confused young person who is assessed as being at serious risk of self harm which can be avoided by a relatively minor medical intervention, such as breast reduction, (not mastectomy) is likely to decide this is the least worst option.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I said this a while ago and the timeline I heard from a PROFESSOR on the subject was 15/20 years before they swing.
In the last 5 years 100s if not 1000s of these procedures have been carried out.
Clearly certain posters may not be here to eat the humble pie !

I have heard, on good authority, that the right wing posters on the HoL couldn’t eat humble pie if it was served to them on a golden platter. Their mouths and minds being too full of bs to have any room for anything else.

 

[cryrst]

I have heard, on good authority, that the right wing posters on the HoL couldn’t eat humble pie if it was served to them on a golden platter. Their mouths and minds being too full of bs to have any room for anything else.

So no evidence against that then.
I’ve eaten plenty of humble pie. I don’t know everything or are as perfect as you so mistakes are made !

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

When will posters realise, that the POTUS Cornwall branch, is the be all & end all of everything. The lord knows everything & knows nothing about anything.

Still, he is a source of amusement to anyone who is 'apparently devoid of any intellect'
Yes, I have blocked his inane ramblings. Is there hope for such a 'advanced landlord', hmmm, who knows, who really cares

You are obviously an expert on “inane ramblings” for this post is nothing more or less than one!

I am therefore grateful you have blocked me as presumably I will no longer have to read replies of this quality.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886529228193022429

And there we have it. Bringing nations like Canada and Mexico to heel.

I can't wait to see what he does with Europe and the UK now!

#GoldenAge

Yes, another clear example of his strong leadership immediately achieving the desired outcome.

I saw someone earlier describe it as ‘bully boy’ tactics?! Which is quite bizarre because what it is, is simply good negotiation, from a position of strength that he himself has created.

It is a classic example of strong leadership, looking after American interests first and doing what you say you will do. All of which is precisely why the majority of American voters wanted him back in charge and why he had such an overwhelming victory.

If only our own Prime Minister delivered such strong leadership and was coming through with his election pledges & promises.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So no evidence against that then.
I’ve eaten plenty of humble pie. I don’t know everything or are as perfect as you so mistakes are made !

I have a wife who ensures my imperfections are routinely pointed out, don’t you concern yourself.

You lot do seem to get very upset when the weaknesses of your arguments get exposed. You are all so convinced you are right you just cannot contemplate being wrong.

You are like a pack of attack dogs here, ready to pile in at the merest hint of blood.

 

[cryrst]

I have a wife who ensures my imperfections are routinely pointed out, don’t you concern yourself.

You lot do seem to get very upset when the weaknesses of your arguments get exposed. You are all so convinced you are right you just cannot contemplate being wrong.

You are like a pack of attack dogs here, ready to pile in at the merest hint of blood.

Mumbo jumbo again.
Suicide rate 15-20 years down the line are excessively high amounts trans.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

i was worried about American politics morally impacting my choice of electric car. Think I'll get an electric car from China, because their working conditions are exemplary, they have an excellent record on Human Rights (particularly in Hong Kong), they are not looking to expand their territories much, and their industries serves as an example of how to ditch fossil fuels and utilise renewable energy.

And Chinese stuff is cheaper

China are far from perfect, no argument about that, but their progress has been staggering, their people seem happy and they aren’t threatening to deliberately upset the rules based system. Their’s is a society and an economy on the up who can rectify their current failures as quickly as they seem to manage everything. The USA is a society over its peak and on the way down. Under Trump they are also selfish and irresponsible, threatening others with territorial ambitions and bullying the weak.

If the world needs to pick a side which one looks to hold most promise?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Mumbo jumbo again.
Suicide rate 15-20 years down the line are excessively high amounts trans.

That surely only suggests that more understanding and support is needed.

Not less.

You aren’t going to wish away the numbers who are transsexual just by refusing to accept they exist.

 

[cryrst]

That surely only suggests that more understanding and support is needed.

Not less.

You aren’t going to wish away the numbers who are transsexual just by refusing to accept they exist.

Maybe be a start would be trying to talk them out of it. That was a thing that was banned ( not sure the saying) so it is illegal to discuss any negatives.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I have heard, on good authority, that the right wing posters on the HoL couldn’t eat humble pie if it was served to them on a golden platter. Their mouths and minds being too full of bs to have any room for anything else.

Since you claim to be right wing yourself that's quite an indictment.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I provided a link to something that appears to be written objectively. Research seeking conclusions rather than conclusions seeking support.

The link you provide is to data that covers adults taking their own decisions and indicates how much is unknown and needs to be better understood. However any MDT faced with a confused young person who is assessed as being at serious risk of self harm which can be avoided by a relatively minor medical intervention, such as breast reduction, (not mastectomy) is likely to decide this is the least worst option.

As stated. Your link is purely subjective. Nothing you've provided states that these procedures haven't been carried out on those too young to take such a life changing decision. Adults can take whatever action they choose, although in this case it's often with disastrous results. The effect on young teenagers will be even more disastrous.
As also previously stated you're wrong.
Hold your hand up. Not that that you ever will.

 

[Matov]

Mhmmmm....Trump on Gaza...

Now my own call on the entire debacle has been that the ultimate plan was to 'cleanse' Gaza of the Palestinians. In and of itself, a practice as old as warfare with later examples including what happened during the partition in India and so on but for Trump to come in and announce it like he has makes me fear this might be a case of say good bye to the old boss and usher in the same-old-same-old.

And I had been starting to have relatively high-hopes.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Mhmmmm....Trump on Gaza...

Now my own call on the entire debacle has been that the ultimate plan was to 'cleanse' Gaza of the Palestinians. In and of itself, a practice as old as warfare with later examples including what happened during the partition in India and so on but for Trump to come in and announce it like he has makes me fear this might be a case of say good bye to the old boss and usher in the same-old-same-old.

And I had been starting to have relatively high-hopes.

I read the comments from Trump and it's essentially what has been said by many of us from the start of this....Greater Israel....Ka Ching, amazing what funding the politicians on both sides can get you isn't it....heads you win, tails you win....all that varies is how much you win.

However, while I heard what Trump said, what I didn't hear was just how he would do it without US servicemen dying for the Israeli's state preferred outcomes.

I'm anti involvement in other people's wars.

 

[Stirlingsays]

While we may differ on whether we like particular foreign policy moves what can't be denied is that Trump is having huge foreign policy wins right now.

He's using the power of the US to get what it wants in its sphere of influence.

Longer term there can be negatives to that, but that also depends upon just how hard he pushes.....I think he's very correct economically to push back but he also needs to be sensible. I guess that's the art of the deal.

 

[Badger11]

On the BBS stupidest comment about the threat of tariffs on Canada. "There is no large scale illegal immigration problem from Canada so why is he doing it?"

Err with Canada it's not illegals that Trump is worried about but the importation of illegal drugs across the border that is killing American youth. Until now Trudeau didn't seem that bothered about stopping it in druggie Canada, well he is now.