US Politics

[cryrst]

Every opportunity to withdraw occurred before Harris was the opponent. He didn’t because he regards himself as untouchable. Something his “base” has been indoctrinated to believe and the Supreme Court has helped establish.

What happened on Nov 5th will be analysed for years to come. So I am not yet ready to give a definitive answer. Was it turnout? It seems to me that it is more likely that, as usual in politics, the current administration gets blamed for things that were out of their control, and no credit for those that were. The Biden administration took over the mess left from Trump’s handling of the pandemic and then the materials shortages and oil price hikes caused by Putin to deliver the best recovery in the west. Of course the introverted US consumer only sees their prices increasing and, encouraged by Trump, blamed Biden. Combine that with Trump’s capacity to convince the gullible that his lies are the truth and I don’t think it had much to do with Harris herself. She seems an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy.

We don’t though really know why and right now it doesn’t matter. It is, so now we must cope, plan our own response and for the Americans to redouble their efforts to make sure the POTUS in 2029 is actually fit for purpose.

I hear that the response in Australia seems to include them deciding to distance themselves from the USA and draw closer to China. We too must find more reliable friends, at least for the next 4 years.

Australia have backed away because they are also left wing commie twats who can’t stomach capitalism being the way forward. Unless it’s helping them and theirs obviously. They are making a mistake but will never blame themselves when it goes wrong. Nov 5th is never forgotten as it’s 🔥 night

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Every opportunity to withdraw occurred before Harris was the opponent. He didn’t because he regards himself as untouchable. Something his “base” has been indoctrinated to believe and the Supreme Court has helped establish.

What happened on Nov 5th will be analysed for years to come. So I am not yet ready to give a definitive answer. Was it turnout? It seems to me that it is more likely that, as usual in politics, the current administration gets blamed for things that were out of their control, and no credit for those that were. The Biden administration took over the mess left from Trump’s handling of the pandemic and then the materials shortages and oil price hikes caused by Putin to deliver the best recovery in the west. Of course the introverted US consumer only sees their prices increasing and, encouraged by Trump, blamed Biden. Combine that with Trump’s capacity to convince the gullible that his lies are the truth and I don’t think it had much to do with Harris herself. She seems an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy.

We don’t though really know why and right now it doesn’t matter. It is, so now we must cope, plan our own response and for the Americans to redouble their efforts to make sure the POTUS in 2029 is actually fit for purpose.

I hear that the response in Australia seems to include them deciding to distance themselves from the USA and draw closer to China. We too must find more reliable friends, at least for the next 4 years.

How does she seem like "an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy"?
She seems more like someone who was over promoted and who sold her soul to the Democrats idea of populism but chose the wrong form.

 

[georgenorman]

Every opportunity to withdraw occurred before Harris was the opponent. He didn’t because he regards himself as untouchable. Something his “base” has been indoctrinated to believe and the Supreme Court has helped establish.

What happened on Nov 5th will be analysed for years to come. So I am not yet ready to give a definitive answer. Was it turnout? It seems to me that it is more likely that, as usual in politics, the current administration gets blamed for things that were out of their control, and no credit for those that were. The Biden administration took over the mess left from Trump’s handling of the pandemic and then the materials shortages and oil price hikes caused by Putin to deliver the best recovery in the west. Of course the introverted US consumer only sees their prices increasing and, encouraged by Trump, blamed Biden. Combine that with Trump’s capacity to convince the gullible that his lies are the truth and I don’t think it had much to do with Harris herself. She seems an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy.

We don’t though really know why and right now it doesn’t matter. It is, so now we must cope, plan our own response and for the Americans to redouble their efforts to make sure the POTUS in 2029 is actually fit for purpose.

I hear that the response in Australia seems to include them deciding to distance themselves from the USA and draw closer to China. We too must find more reliable friends, at least for the next 4 years.

It was simply because the majority of people reject the views that the likes of you hold.

 

[Houston Eagle]

Every opportunity to withdraw occurred before Harris was the opponent. He didn’t because he regards himself as untouchable. Something his “base” has been indoctrinated to believe and the Supreme Court has helped establish.

What happened on Nov 5th will be analysed for years to come. So I am not yet ready to give a definitive answer. Was it turnout? It seems to me that it is more likely that, as usual in politics, the current administration gets blamed for things that were out of their control, and no credit for those that were. The Biden administration took over the mess left from Trump’s handling of the pandemic and then the materials shortages and oil price hikes caused by Putin to deliver the best recovery in the west. Of course the introverted US consumer only sees their prices increasing and, encouraged by Trump, blamed Biden. Combine that with Trump’s capacity to convince the gullible that his lies are the truth and I don’t think it had much to do with Harris herself. She seems an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy.

We don’t though really know why and right now it doesn’t matter. It is, so now we must cope, plan our own response and for the Americans to redouble their efforts to make sure the POTUS in 2029 is actually fit for purpose.

I hear that the response in Australia seems to include them deciding to distance themselves from the USA and draw closer to China. We too must find more reliable friends, at least for the next 4 years.

It's amazing how you assess that the US is a gullible nation because its people decided to reject the direction and policies of the incumbent government. It was not a trickle but a flood, so you have to deduce (without actually living here) that things were not right?

Your future analysis will see the delta is black men (sick of being spoken down to by democrats and Obamas), all Hispanics (legal and honest people who want to work hard) and white women who decry CRT for their children). Add that up and it equals 10,000,000.

As for honest well Harris maintained Biden was as sharp as a tack until the day before he pulled out, claimed the border was closed, flip flopped on every 2019 statement with regards to US Fracking, Medicare for all, transgender surgeries for ALL incarcerated prisoners. The list goes on but bottom line she was worse than Biden and that is saying something.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It was simply because the majority of people reject the views that the likes of you hold.

Stating the obvious does nothing to reveal what lies behind the reasoning.

We all know that gravity is what causes you to sit in your chair and write drivel.

The real question is how it does that. Why you write drivel is easier to work out.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

How does she seem like "an honest person with a good heart and a genuine respect for democracy"?
She seems more like someone who was over promoted and who sold her soul to the Democrats idea of populism but chose the wrong form.

That is my impression. You disagree. Fine.

I think Trump is unfit.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's amazing how you assess that the US is a gullible nation because its people decided to reject the direction and policies of the incumbent government. It was not a trickle but a flood, so you have to deduce (without actually living here) that things were not right?

Your future analysis will see the delta is black men (sick of being spoken down to by democrats and Obamas), all Hispanics (legal and honest people who want to work hard) and white women who decry CRT for their children). Add that up and it equals 10,000,000.

As for honest well Harris maintained Biden was as sharp as a tack until the day before he pulled out, claimed the border was closed, flip flopped on every 2019 statement with regards to US Fracking, Medicare for all, transgender surgeries for ALL incarcerated prisoners. The list goes on but bottom line she was worse than Biden and that is saying something.

I don’t think the USA is gullible. Part of it appears to be in ways that seem unarguable. Rejecting the policies of the incumbent government is their right, even if it seems poor reasoning given their performance when compared to other western nations.

Almost half of the nation rejected Trump. Why the other half, including but not exclusively those gullible, decided to overlook Trump’s corruption, lies and unsuitability is something that will be studied for years. Part of it seems to me that the country is still not ready for a woman President, especially someone with her heritage. It will be denied and very probably not even recognised but it seems there.

Why do I feel competent to comment? I take a keen interest, I observe and I visit. Sometimes not being directly involved allows for a wider perspective.

Harris is a politician. Politicians do politics. They need to adapt policy to suit environments. Trump just lies to suit the moment. He is nothing other than a populist.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Australia have backed away because they are also left wing commie twats who can’t stomach capitalism being the way forward. Unless it’s helping them and theirs obviously. They are making a mistake but will never blame themselves when it goes wrong. Nov 5th is never forgotten as it’s 🔥 night

Australia is about as communist as I am 21! They encourage wealth creation. Have you ever been there?

The last thing we want is for them to develop even closer ties to China. Their trade with them is already very large.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That is my impression. You disagree. Fine.

I think Trump is unfit.

That they were considered the best candidates doesn't reflect well on the American system.
Elections are often decided by voting against one candidate rather than actively for another. In this case more voted against Harris.

 

[georgenorman]

Stating the obvious does nothing to reveal what lies behind the reasoning.

We all know that gravity is what causes you to sit in your chair and write drivel.

The real question is how it does that. Why you write drivel is easier to work out.

You shouldn't be so surprised and ruffled because millions of people gravitate away from your beliefs.

 

[cryrst]

Australia is about as communist as I am 21! They encourage wealth creation. Have you ever been there?

The last thing we want is for them to develop even closer ties to China. Their trade with them is already very large.

Well my sister lives there. Maybe trumps your holiday rather !!!
She can accrue actual sick leave year on year up to some months. Do you need any more proof of a state run system.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You shouldn't be so surprised and ruffled because millions of people gravitate away from your beliefs.

I was certainly surprised and puzzled, but hardly alone in that. Understanding exactly what caused people to decide to ignore Trump’s so plainly obvious unsuitability will be studied for years. Their regret will arrive much sooner.

Ruffled I am not. Theres no point in angst. It delivers nothing. Just as with football the last game is done. Only the next matters.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well my sister lives there. Maybe trumps your holiday rather !!!
She can accrue actual sick leave year on year up to some months. Do you need any more proof of a state run system.

It might surprise you that you can operate a modern sophisticated social policy within a successful capitalist economy. In fact it’s the only way you can.

Encouraging enterprise and hard work whilst protecting the vulnerable are marks of a country doing well.

 

[georgenorman]

I was certainly surprised and puzzled, but hardly alone in that. Understanding exactly what caused people to decide to ignore Trump’s so plainly obvious unsuitability will be studied for years. Their regret will arrive much soon.

Ruffled I am not. Theres no point in angst. It delivers nothing. Just as with football the last game is done. Only the next matters.

Well, at least the appointment of Robert F. Kennedy jnr. is a shot in the arm for anti-vaxxers.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Well, at least the appointment of Robert F. Kennedy jnr. is a shot in the arm for anti-vaxxers.

And Trump got a shot in the ear for anti-MAGAists.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well, at least the appointment of Robert F. Kennedy jnr. is a shot in the arm for anti-vaxxers.

Which only goes to confirm just how nuts these appointments are, this one especially so.

Any President putting people into positions of great power and influence over people’s lives based solely on their loyalty to him and not on their competency is thoroughly irresponsible.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And Trump got a shot in the ear for anti-MAGAists.

If it had been Harris who had been shot at can you imagine the field day the right wing conspiracy theorists would have had?

The “leftists” would have been accused of setting it up to gain sympathy and divert votes to a flagging campaign.

Not heard anything like that directed at Trump, even though it’s far more likely to be true.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

If it had been Harris who had been shot at can you imagine the field day the right wing conspiracy theorists would have had?

The “leftists” would have been accused of setting it up to gain sympathy and divert votes to a flagging campaign.

Not heard anything like that directed at Trump, even though it’s far more likely to be true.

Since none of that happened I have no idea.

 

[Living In Hope]

Sadly western democracies are becoming more polarised, with less and less acceptance that there is any validity at all for an opposing viewpoint. Indeed in the UK the famous quote that "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" appears to have morphed into "I disapprove of what you say and I will try to destroy your life if you say it". I suspect part of the reason for Trump's victory is that many people are utterly fed up with being vilified for opinions which in any way value tradition, heritage, and the wisdom of previous generations. There is value both in progress and in the wisdom we have inherited, and even more value in courteous discussion about issues, and in listening to people whose views do not accord with your own. For clarity, naturally I would be right of centre but I don't think I could have voted for Trump.

 

[georgenorman]

If it had been Harris who had been shot at can you imagine the field day the right wing conspiracy theorists would have had?

The “leftists” would have been accused of setting it up to gain sympathy and divert votes to a flagging campaign.

Not heard anything like that directed at Trump, even though it’s far more likely to be true.

So you are seriously postulating that the attempt on Trump's life was some sort of staged event orchestrated by himself?