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Badger11 said:
Have you even considered what it is has been like to live in Venezuela under this dictator? 7m people have fled because life is so hard. If this was a right wing dictator you would be loving it.

It remains to be seen if the country will return to normality or if another brute will emerge. But Trump may just have started the road back to democracy for these folks.
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There is a very big difference between opposing someone you believe is a dictator and acting like one. Providing support and encouragement for internal groups who request it and truly approve of democracy can, sometimes, be rationalised and defended.

Not this. This is the act of a bully. All the previous excuses about trying to control drug smuggling are shown up as bs. This is about regional dominance and the stealing of oil. Trump doesn’t care about the people there, let alone about their right to democratic government.

This will create chaos and a flood of refugees. How it plays in the USA remains to be seen, but for someone who likes to pose as a peacemaker Trump is rather too fond of using violence against the weak to justify his claims.
 
eaglesdare said:
If it was Obama or sleepy joe going into Venezuela the lefties would be creaming themselves calling them a hero for liberating the Venezuelans.

But because it's Trump it's the end of the world etc....
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There’s not a snowflakes chance in hell that either Obama or Biden would have openly pulled a stunt like this. If they believed it was necessary then it would have been either covert or via surrogates.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There’s not a snowflakes chance in hell that either Obama or Biden would have openly pulled a stunt like this. If they believed it was necessary then it would have been either covert or via surrogates.
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So obamas drone strikes and Biden's proxy wars were smart and "covert" but Trump's direct action to free Venezuela from socialist hell is a "stunt". Give over 🤣

Bold leadership scares you snowflakes.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There’s not a snowflakes chance in hell that either Obama or Biden would have openly pulled a stunt like this. If they believed it was necessary then it would have been either covert or via surrogates.
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I don't know about Biden but Obama certainly would.

Obama green lit the special forces operation to kill Bin Laden (and they only thought it was him, they weren't certain), it was extremely risky on major fronts and could have been a disaster.

Both operations for confronting the leaders was a stealth operation and was undetected by defence forces.

This one was harder in the sense that they would have expected more fire power in the Palace than at the covert location Bin Laden was hiding at, but the Bin Laden operation was more risky as they weren't allowed to attack Pakistan's forces unless engaged..... The rules of engagement prioritized avoiding confrontation with Pakistani military or security forces.....whereas here they built a force large enough to attack large military locations to confuse and distract.

Getting out with nothing going wrong and no losses is an amazing feat and extremely professional and probably a bit fortunate.
 
Frenchaigle said:
Fox News 😂…who’s next Greenland ? Canada ?
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Greenland would bother me, as that's in Europe and nothing to do with the US. Trump's claims on that annoy me.

Canada is on their continent and nothing to do with us.....Bad in the sense that it would be a brother war, but equally not our business.

Ultimately it comes down to what you're going to do about it.

Europe under social liberalism is in no position to do anything.....it's shot its load in Ukraine (bad calculation and money after bad) and failed and is in a very bad financial situation....As my energy and shopping bill regularly informs me.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There is a very big difference between opposing someone you believe is a dictator and acting like one. Providing support and encouragement for internal groups who request it and truly approve of democracy can, sometimes, be rationalised and defended.

Not this. This is the act of a bully. All the previous excuses about trying to control drug smuggling are shown up as bs. This is about regional dominance and the stealing of oil. Trump doesn’t care about the people there, let alone about their right to democratic government.

This will create chaos and a flood of refugees. How it plays in the USA remains to be seen, but for someone who likes to pose as a peacemaker Trump is rather too fond of using violence against the weak to justify his claims.
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You know all of this, how??
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There’s not a snowflakes chance in hell that either Obama or Biden would have openly pulled a stunt like this. If they believed it was necessary then it would have been either covert or via surrogates.
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Maybe the risks have changed and Venezuela is an increasing conduit for drugs into the US, still intrigued to see what the court will have to say.
 
chris123 said:
Maybe the risks have changed and Venezuela is an increasing conduit for drugs into the US, still intrigued to see what the court will have to say.
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The US / Trump obviously has ulterior motives for the raid but there is one point I do agree with them.

Why is it that some people are are excusing countries that facilitate hard drugs being exported.

Every year thousands of Americans are dying because of drugs either they are addicts, or victims of drug crimes or gang warfare mainly imported. The countries doing the exporting, well their leaders sit back and take a cut off the profits.

Trump views it as an attack on the US and I agree. So this raid sends a message to the drug lords and their political pals, we are coming for you.

As for so called international law I agree with Stirlingsays it's all BS. Starmer is all wish washy about the US attack whilst at the same time authorising an airstrike in Syria. You say potato I say...
 
So the USA is going to steal their oil, and manipulate sales/exports.

And maybe something similar to their drugs exports. Maybe a big tax 😀

America doesn't need the money as such, but the control of oil exports is significant to others
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There is a very big difference between opposing someone you believe is a dictator and acting like one. Providing support and encouragement for internal groups who request it and truly approve of democracy can, sometimes, be rationalised and defended.

Not this. This is the act of a bully. All the previous excuses about trying to control drug smuggling are shown up as bs. This is about regional dominance and the stealing of oil. Trump doesn’t care about the people there, let alone about their right to democratic government.

This will create chaos and a flood of refugees. How it plays in the USA remains to be seen, but for someone who likes to pose as a peacemaker Trump is rather too fond of using violence against the weak to justify his claims.
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A flood of refugees! Presumably you mean a flood of refugees returning to their homeland that has been relieved of a drug dealing dictator
 
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