US Politics

[silvertop]

Cool, but he was referring to this forum.

The point being that he contends that we believe that this happened because of the drugs, which is of course ridiculous.

Drugs from there into the States are a minor issue compared to other countries.

It was the excuse that they tried a few weeks ago but they heard the ridicule and in the latest press conference gave other far more realistic reasons......Oil, Monroe Doctrine, drugs.....they didn't mention the military industrial complex and geopolitical reasons.

It's the terrific misuse of our language for propaganda purposes that I am enjoying.

Trumps lot have invented this wholly misleading term of "narco terrorism". Huh?

And the chief of staff today applauded delta force's "self defence" tactics. Huh?

What kind of feck wit swallows that crap? Kudos to Trump for openly stating he took the country to steal the oil. Obvs his base won't notice.

 

[eaglesdare]

You said they were smart, not me!

This isn’t “bold leadership” at all. It’s ridiculous to describe this as leadership. Who on earth do you think it is leading and what is the intended destination?

It’s a reckless enterprise without a clear strategic objective. Doing what has been done is very easy for a military power as strong as the USA. It’s what happens next and in the coming years that’s not.

This looks extremely foolish which will demand a lot of effort to stabilise and reverse by the next POTUS, whoever, whenever and how ever they get appointed.

Crushing Maduro, freeing Venezuelans from socialism, securing oil & borders for America First is good leadership.

Your "reckless" talk is just snowflake TDS fear of trump.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It's the terrific misuse of our language for propaganda purposes that I am enjoying.

Trumps lot have invented this wholly misleading term of "narco terrorism". Huh?

And the chief of staff today applauded delta force's "self defence" tactics. Huh?

What kind of feck wit swallows that crap? Kudos to Trump for openly stating he took the country to steal the oil. Obvs his base won't notice.

I'd agree with all that apart from your observation of his base.

A lot aren't happy at all about how Trump 2.0 has worked out.....aside from the border.

But that doesn't mean they are eager to vote Democrat.....Trump lying and fecking things up is one thing....Voting for open borders, tranny ops for kids and abortions up to term and anti white crap is another.

I'd vote for worst than Trump to avoid that.

 

[Spindle]

I agree the first paragraphs but we will have to wait on the last. It might work. It might not.

Of interest people on here largely support this action but oppose Putin. Almost identical. Regime change by military force. But apparently - Trump good Putin bad but with no good explanation for the difference.

Ask some of the 7 million refugees.

In Florida's 'Little Venezuela', joy and uncertainty after Maduro's fall

Celebrations have swept across Florida's Doral, even as questions linger over Venezuela's future.

www.bbc.co.uk

Also, I follow a few sailing channels on YT and there's been a notable rise in piracy off Venezuela in the past few years, to the point that it's considered dangerous to sail off their coast even in international waters. It's fishermen doing it, they've resorted to piracy because they are economically forced to.

 

[Spindle]

Trump did nothing about him during his first term .

Wrong. Trump was the first to sanction Venezuela, in the first term.

 

[kevlee]

So they are going to put him on trial in a US court? If he gets a decent lawyer he could get off..maybe even sue for wrongful arrest.
it would have been a lot cleaner to have just shot him ‘by mistake’.
The new appointed president doesn’t seem to be very happy with what’s happened either. It all seems to be about oil.

 

[Spindle]

Leaving aside what you demonstrate again with your rudeness, even if every word you write was true, which is open to doubt, it does not, and cannot, justify this action.

The USA is supposed to be the leader of the Western World, the flag carrier for democracy. Not the bully boy of the Americas behaving in the same way as the autocratic regimes the Western World despises.

This then, together with the support shown for Putin, is the clearest signal possible of the Trump regime’s pivot away from democracy to authoritarianism. It started when he refused to accept an election result. Where will it end? Will Congress stop him?

That Venezuelans in the USA have reacted well says nothing about how the people there feel. Those people left, possibly entering the USA illegally. From all I read the current feeling there is of being scared. Trump doesn’t care about them.

There's no IF about it. And saying that you've demonstrated stupidity on this topic is just based on the nonsense you've come out with. In your mind Maduro was legit and Trump evil so pretty simple to slag off, but now this is hard to balance because you've suddenly begun to realise that Maduro was a massive b****** - how do you square that circle? You can't. So you dig in and just claim Trump is wrong anyway. That's clown world level. It's not my fault you're offended, it's you that's published nonsense online for anyone to scrutinise.

 

[Spindle]

So they are going to put him on trial in a US court? If he gets a decent lawyer he could get off..maybe even sue for wrongful arrest.
it would have been a lot cleaner to have just shot him ‘by mistake’.
The new appointed president doesn’t seem to be very happy with what’s happened either. It all seems to be about oil.

1. He'll get convicted
2. Assassination would have been the worst thing to do for many reasons

 

[chris123]

Trump did nothing about him during his first term .

The US DOJ listing charges was unsealed on 26th March 2020.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Why do we have to have a position?

The US would have most definitely done what Putin did if they saw an enemy government emerge on a border country.

The Monroe Doctrine isn't exclusive to Trump.....it's essentially US policy whenever it feels like it. Bush senior did this back in the 80s.

The analogy being Cuba I suppose.

Except, of course, that positioning missiles on Cuba directly threatened the USA. Nothing NATO had done, or could have done, with Ukraine, threatened Russia. Any threats being imaginary and used as excuses to justify restoring Russian control.

The USA didn’t invade Cuba to try to overturn communism. They stopped the missiles and supported an attempt to replace the government. Ukraine isn’t an “enemy government”. It’s a sovereign nation trying to defend itself from aggression.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The analogy being Cuba I suppose.

Except, of course, that positioning missiles on Cuba directly threatened the USA. Nothing NATO had done, or could have done, with Ukraine, threatened Russia. Any threats being imaginary and used as excuses to justify restoring Russian control.

The USA didn’t invade Cuba to try to overturn communism. They stopped the missiles and supported an attempt to replace the government. Ukraine isn’t an “enemy government”. It’s a sovereign nation trying to defend itself from aggression.

? What are you on about?

The Soviets didn't get the chance to position those missiles exactly because the world was taken to the brink in 1963 precisely because Kennedy refused to allow it.

It's the same principle.

Also, Nato wouldn't have threatened Russia with missiles?

Really?

So why did Nato put nuclear capable missile delivery systems in Poland once it joined Nato?

Of course they would have done the same in Ukraine.

The US didn't invade Cuba? Well, it tried very hard to overthrown Castro. Unless you are lying about your age you were around for the bay of pigs. which was exactly that.....the entire plan was devised by the CIA/military in conjunction with Cuban exiles.

If Nixon had won instead of Kennedy it would have probably worked......Its failure was probably the last straw that sealed Kennedy's fate.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There's no IF about it. And saying that you've demonstrated stupidity on this topic is just based on the nonsense you've come out with. In your mind Maduro was legit and Trump evil so pretty simple to slag off, but now this is hard to balance because you've suddenly begun to realise that Maduro was a massive b****** - how do you square that circle? You can't. So you dig in and just claim Trump is wrong anyway. That's clown world level. It's not my fault you're offended, it's you that's published nonsense online for anyone to scrutinise.

Here you go again! Telling me, and everyone else, what’s in my mind. Are you telepathic? I think you are pathetic.

I haven’t said a word about Maduro, let alone express any opinion about him. For the very good reason that I don’t have one. I do have an opinion about Trump, having observed him for over 20 years. Whether Maduro was “legit”, or not, is beside the point.

You don’t offend me at all. I would need to care what you thought to be offended. I think you are rude and pathetic.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Here you go again! Telling me, and everyone else, what’s in my mind. Are you telepathic? I think you are pathetic.

I haven’t said a word about Maduro, let alone express any opinion about him. For the very good reason that I don’t have one. I do have an opinion about Trump, having observed him for over 20 years. Whether Maduro was “legit”, or not, is beside the point.

You don’t offend me at all. I would need to care what you thought to be offended. I think you are rude and pathetic.

Sounds like you’ve been stalking Trump for 20 years; the word ‘observed’ comes over as a bit creepy. But those two decades do explain your TDS.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

? What are you on about?

The Soviets didn't get the chance to position those missiles exactly because the world was taken to the brink in 1963 precisely because Kennedy refused to allow it.

It's the same principle.

Also, Nato wouldn't have threatened Russia with missiles?

Really?

So why did Nato put nuclear capable missile delivery systems in Poland once it joined Nato?

Of course they would have done the same in Ukraine.

The US didn't invade Cuba? Well, it tried very hard to overthrown Castro. Unless you are lying about your age you were around for the bay of pigs. which was exactly that.....the entire plan was devised by the CIA/military in conjunction with Cuban exiles.

If Nixon had won instead of Kennedy it would have probably worked......Its failure was probably the last straw that sealed Kennedy's fate.

Suggesting it’s the same principle is straight out of Putin’s playbook. That Trump is parroting it doesn’t mean that anyone in the UK should. The apparent sympathy for Putin’s position that pervades your writing on this subject is something I find uncomfortable and disturbing.

NATO put missiles in Poland for exactly the same reason they exist elsewhere. As a deterrent to Russian aggression. In the unlikely event of Ukraine joining NATO I would anticipate an agreement that no missiles would be sited there. There’s probably no need if the basic principles of NATO are operative.

The US wanted to overthrow Castro and could easily have done so, but chose to try without a full blown invasion and failed. Yes, I was around during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and followed it. I don’t think you were, or did!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Sounds like you’ve been stalking Trump for 20 years; the word ‘observed’ comes over as a bit creepy. But those two decades do explain your TDS.

I encountered Trump a long time ago when he first appeared on the Apprentice. I was in the Philippines in the early 2020s and socialising with a group of US expats, mostly ex military. They talked him up as a potential future President. They also thought 9/11 was a hoax. It was my first encounter with this type of thinking.

So I watched Trump well before most people in the UK were even aware of him. I wasn’t impressed then and that opinion has steadily declined. He is a good actor but an awful person, a corrupt businessman and a dangerous President.

So no “TDS”, which is an invented excuse to try to belittle genuine concerns. Concerns not simply about Trump but also why people think his character is a desirable attribute.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The analogy being Cuba I suppose.

Except, of course, that positioning missiles on Cuba directly threatened the USA. Nothing NATO had done, or could have done, with Ukraine, threatened Russia. Any threats being imaginary and used as excuses to justify restoring Russian control.

The USA didn’t invade Cuba to try to overturn communism. They stopped the missiles and supported an attempt to replace the government. Ukraine isn’t an “enemy government”. It’s a sovereign nation trying to defend itself from aggression.

When I was at school a history teacher explained the Cuban crisis as being caused by Kennedy objecting to Khrushchev having missiles as close to America as he had them to Russia.
But he was a rabid Marxist which might have influenced his view.

 

[Frenchaigle]

Wrong. Trump was the first to sanction Venezuela, in the first term.

Wrong Obama imposed sanctions in 2015 ..so there

 

[Frenchaigle]

I encountered Trump a long time ago when he first appeared on the Apprentice. I was in the Philippines in the early 2020s and socialising with a group of US expats, mostly ex military. They talked him up as a potential future President. They also thought 9/11 was a hoax. It was my first encounter with this type of thinking.

So I watched Trump well before most people in the UK were even aware of him. I wasn’t impressed then and that opinion has steadily declined. He is a good actor but an awful person, a corrupt businessman and a dangerous President.

So no “TDS”, which is an invented excuse to try to belittle genuine concerns. Concerns not simply about Trump but also why people think his character is a desirable attribute.

The way Trump goes on about Biden you would think he had BDS …I mean Biden lives rent free in the poor guy’s head .

 

[eaglesdare]

Aaah we finally get cornies origin TDS story. 🤣

 

[Common Sense Club]

I encountered Trump a long time ago when he first appeared on the Apprentice. I was in the Philippines in the early 2020s and socialising with a group of US expats, mostly ex military. They talked him up as a potential future President. They also thought 9/11 was a hoax. It was my first encounter with this type of thinking.

So I watched Trump well before most people in the UK were even aware of him. I wasn’t impressed then and that opinion has steadily declined. He is a good actor but an awful person, a corrupt businessman and a dangerous President.

So no “TDS”, which is an invented excuse to try to belittle genuine concerns. Concerns not simply about Trump but also why people think his character is a desirable attribute.

You seem to pose as a centrist but write as a left wing liberal; Trump, Farage both seem to be at the apex of your ‘observations’. For the benefit of the rest of us on here, can you name a couple of left wing politicians that give you an equal amount of ire?