US Politics

[Jimenez]

Wrong Obama imposed sanctions in 2015 ..so there

Actually it was George W Bush. Also for the record I've was speaking to multiple Venezuelans yesterday (& those from Guyana, but that's a slightly different story) & not one of them was opposed to the intervention by the current administration

 

[silvertop]

I'd agree with all that apart from your observation of his base.

A lot aren't happy at all about how Trump 2.0 has worked out.....aside from the border.

But that doesn't mean they are eager to vote Democrat.....Trump lying and fecking things up is one thing....Voting for open borders, tranny ops for kids and abortions up to term and anti white crap is another.

I'd vote for worst than Trump to avoid that.

They won't vote at all. The democrats may well do a Biden next election and win by apathy landslide.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

They won't vote at all. The democrats may well do a Biden next election and win by apathy landslide.

Quite an indictment that there's probably as much interest in American politics on a Palace site than in the actual country.

 

[silvertop]

Actually it was George W Bush. Also for the record I've was speaking to multiple Venezuelans yesterday (& those from Guyana, but that's a slightly different story) & not one of them was opposed to the intervention by the current administration

Nobody claimed the regime was a good one. I hope this presents a happy dawn for the people of that country albeit one where that objective is achieved as an unintended and incidental outcome.

Thus, if the US plans to replace all corrupt Latin American narco governments by kidnapping their leadership based on that criteria alone, there are far worse ones than Venezuela. So, which one is next?

 

[beak]

Nobody claimed the regime was a good one. I hope this presents a happy dawn for the people of that country albeit one where that objective is achieved as an unintended and incidental outcome.

Thus, if the US plans to replace all corrupt Latin American narco governments by kidnapping their leadership based on that criteria alone, there are far worse ones than Venezuela. So, which one is next?

This is under the surface(yes, pun intended) all about oil Venezuela has the largest oil deposits of any country in the world and Trump likes to rape countries of anything of value like rare earth minerals in Ukraine,if Venezuela was literally a banana republic Trump would not be interested .

 

[eaglesdare]

Amazing how some people's politics is "anti whatever Trump does" 🙄

He now has people actually supporting terrorists and dictators.

 

[Spiderman]

There is no analogy with the surgical strike on Bin Laden. You claim, in your know it all way, that they weren’t certain it was him. I suspect they were pretty sure and if they had arrived there and found it wasn’t, we would have not heard anything about it!

They haven’t just gone in to extract a man they held responsible for thousands of deaths and then leave again. They plan to run the country.

Maybe the Venezuelans will be more than happy with it. Certainly better than what they have been enduring,

 

[PalazioVecchio]

some people's politics is "anti whatever Trump does"

He now has people actually supporting terrorists and dictators.

It's all just Part and Parcel of living in a big City.

 

[steeleye20]

I can't think of a single instance of a happy conclusion to any of the USAs interventions over the last 30 years or so, or even since the end of WW2.

The USA has military power paid for by its 38 trillion debt, which it uses indiscriminately to kill anyone who gets in its way.

'It's not our fault if american oil is under the ground of other countries' - Donald Rumsfeld.

The self-defence argument is ridiculous, there must be a threat of force against you Venezuela could not possibly do that.

2026 already another dangerous unstable year brought upon the world by an elderly USA president.


😎

 

[silvertop]

When I was at school a history teacher explained the Cuban crisis as being caused by Kennedy objecting to Khrushchev having missiles as close to America as he had them to Russia.
But he was a rabid Marxist which might have influenced his view.

Pretty much accords with fact. Fidel forced to turn to the USSR to survive following Kennedy's blockade. Had the US followed a more sensible policy of trading Cuba into malleable acquiescence who knows how things might have turned out.

Obviously not politically possible but the best policies are not always possible.

 

[chris123]

I can't think of a single instance of a happy conclusion to any of the USAs interventions over the last 30 years or so, or even since the end of WW2.

The USA has military power paid for by its 38 trillion debt, which it uses indiscriminately to kill anyone who gets in its way.

'It's not our fault if american oil is under the ground of other countries' - Donald Rumsfeld.

The self-defence argument is ridiculous, there must be a threat of force against you Venezuela could not possibly do that.

2026 already another dangerous unstable year brought upon the world by an elderly USA president.


😎

Not sure where that quote came from, but if international oil companies are9 granted a licence to explore and are successful in my time that meant a host country benefit either through cost sharing or tariffs.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I think it's a nice Gesture by America to help out its neighbour

i am wondering when helicopter blades and explosions will be heard in Downing Street ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I think it's a nice Gesture by America to help out its neighbour

i am wondering when helicopter blades and explosions will be heard in Downing Street ?

Next time Rambo is on.

 

[Stirlingsays]

They won't vote at all. The democrats may well do a Biden next election and win by apathy landslide.

Does Trump let them back?.....We saw what they tried to do to him.

I think the mid terms results will decide what happens.

There's a reason Trump is spending a lot on the military and giving them all two grand cheques. The admin have been going through the department firing anti Trump leaders.

Personally I think 'democracy' is on hold in America for a while.

If the Democrats had left him alone in 2020 this would all be different....but they wouldn't walk away.

Low quality elites.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The way Trump goes on about Biden you would think he had BDS …I mean Biden lives rent free in the poor guy’s head .

Yes, it's a fair observation.....then again, Biden did try to put him in jail, would you like someone who tried to do that to you?

You don't seem to see the irony of accusing Trump of BDS because you think your own TDS is justified.

He's no different for Biden.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Nobody claimed the regime was a good one. I hope this presents a happy dawn for the people of that country albeit one where that objective is achieved as an unintended and incidental outcome.

Thus, if the US plans to replace all corrupt Latin American narco governments by kidnapping their leadership based on that criteria alone, there are far worse ones than Venezuela. So, which one is next?

We are talking Rubio pushing all this.

So Cuba is the ultimate goal.

If they were serious about drugs from South America they would be focusing on Colombia.....but as Cocaine is the drug of choice for the wealth class, it wouldn't be popular with a lot of powerful people.....also lots of money from illegal drugs is made by the system in indirect ways.....there is more support for poison than most realise.

Also obviously Mexico....which is basically run by the cartels is how it all gets in.

So I doubt that happens.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Crushing Maduro, freeing Venezuelans from socialism, securing oil & borders for America First is good leadership.

Your "reckless" talk is just snowflake TDS fear of trump.

Complete nonsense. It doesn’t free Venezuelans from socialism. It opens them up to violence as armed groups battle it out in a power vacuum. If the US are indeed going to steal the oil they will first need to secure the country and they have a constant record of failure whenever they have tried.

What Trump is doing destroys the rules based order that has allowed the world to co exist for such a long time. He is now opening up doors to authoritarian regimes everywhere.

You bet I fear this. Not Trump, he is but the mouthpiece of a shady group of backers. I fear the consequences of doing this.

If he had done this with the backing of the UN, on the basis that their observers had declared Maduro to be illegitimate and at the request of the party that won, with the intention of there being free and fair elections and the return of democracy, then it could be defended.

Just using that as an excuse to grab the oil cannot be. What next? Canada? Greenland? Because he wants both? Or is it ok for Putin to extract Zelenskyy from Kiev on a pretext?

Leaders set good examples. Despots set bad examples. This is a terrible example.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Does Trump let them back?.....We saw what they tried to do to him.

I think the mid terms results will decide what happens.

There's a reason Trump is spending a lot on the military and giving them all two grand cheques. The admin have been going through the department firing anti Trump leaders.

Personally I think 'democracy' is on hold in America for a while.

All the time you continue to believe this you will never understand.

The Democrats would have much preferred to have not seen Trump being able to play the victim and stay in the limelight. They decided they could not obstruct justice. So he had to face the charges he brought upon himself by his behaviour.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Complete nonsense. It doesn’t free Venezuelans from socialism. It opens them up to violence as armed groups battle it out in a power vacuum. If the US are indeed going to steal the oil they will first need to secure the country and they have a constant record of failure whenever they have tried.

What Trump is doing destroys the rules based order that has allowed the world to co exist for such a long time. He is now opening up doors to authoritarian regimes everywhere.

You bet I fear this. Not Trump, he is but the mouthpiece of a shady group of backers. I fear the consequences of doing this.

If he had done this with the backing of the UN, on the basis that their observers had declared Maduro to be illegitimate and at the request of the party that won, with the intention of there being free and fair elections and the return of democracy, then it could be defended.

Just using that as an excuse to grab the oil cannot be. What next? Canada? Greenland? Because he wants both? Or is it ok for Putin to extract Zelenskyy from Kiev on a pretext?

Leaders set good examples. Despots set bad examples. This is a terrible example.

What is nonsense is that you think any of this 'liberal rules based order' exists in the real world.

Also your attitude during Covid and what you thought should happen to people like me shows that you're an utter hypocrite who actually supports authoritarianism .....if it's against your perceived enemies.

You are much more Trump like than you like to admit.

The left are going to reap what they sowed and personally I view it as 'every action has an equal opposite reaction'.....Your support for the unprecedented actions against Trump from 2020 mean that this kind of future was always going to be inevitable.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes, it's a fair observation.....then again, Biden did try to put him in jail, would you like someone who tried to do that to you?

You don't seem to see the irony of accusing Trump of BDS because you think your own TDS is justified.

He's no different for Biden.

Biden did nothing regarding Trump’s prosecutions.

Trump did the crimes. The law prosecuted him. He was found guilty on one, and evaded others. The Supreme Court helped him.