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Badger11 said:
The Democrats are starting the blame game, Clooney is first up into the barrel no doubt others will follow.

Some people hear but do not listen. The Democrats own pollsters told them time and time again what the public was concerned about and they did not listen. They were more concerned about their pet woke issues and simply did not understand why the voters weren't of a like mind.

It didn't help that many leading democrat voices labelled and belittled the people they were trying to win over branding voters racists, bigots and stupid etc. That may not be the best way to win someone vote.

Bill Clinton once said "It's the economy stupid". Of course he was right (about a different election) I would add that immigration was the other key factor.

I'm not sure the right for bearded men to use female changing rooms was high on the list of priorities for the average American.

If I was a Democrat I would be concerned that so many Latino's voted for Trump, this shows they can no longer rely on that block vote. Even amongst the blacks whilst still solidly behind Kamala there was a significant increase in Trump support.

Anyway the Dems will go away and lick their wounds and probably still not pay attention to the polling experts.
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It's been mooted that the Latino vote has been miscalculated since many arriving in America have left countries with left-wing governments and aren't such staunch Democrats as has been assumed - Cubans in Florida for example.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Johnson and Trump both to some extent fall into the curious category of those who most just accept no matter what they do or say. There are some whose public persona is virtually bulletproof - Jack Nicholson, Jimmy White, Keith Richards, George Best (there will be more current examples but I don't know who they are) and a few others can, or could, do virtually anything without anyone caring.
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Charisma. That special gravy that you cannot bottle. And mattering, as much as for worse than better, far more in life than people want to actually admit to. Also I suspect that those on what is labelled as the 'Right' are far more drawn to it rather than the Left who, on a mixture of grounds, are repelled/resentful of it because it many ways just the very notion of its existence is the very opposite of concepts such as equality etc. It is not always lacking in people of a left-wing persuasion (for I guess you could argue Tony Blair had it whilst accepting that many who proclaim themselves as 'true' socialists despise him as much as anybody on the Right) but I suspect it is far less than the right. Within the Trade Union movement you see people with it but they are not conventional politicians anyway and again, they are their to promote the interests of a very narrow group of people rather than represent the masses.
 
Matov said:
Charisma. That special gravy that you cannot bottle. And mattering, as much as for worse than better, far more in life than people want to actually admit to. Also I suspect that those on what is labelled as the 'Right' are far more drawn to it rather than the Left who, on a mixture of grounds, are repelled/resentful of it because it many ways just the very notion of its existence is the very opposite of concepts such as equality etc. It is not always lacking in people of a left-wing persuasion (for I guess you could argue Tony Blair had it whilst accepting that many who proclaim themselves as 'true' socialists despise him as much as anybody on the Right) but I suspect it is far less than the right. Within the Trade Union movement you see people with it but they are not conventional politicians anyway and again, they are their to promote the interests of a very narrow group of people rather than represent the masses.
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Indeed. JFK is still highly regarded and he was hardly a paragon of virtue.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Indeed. JFK is still highly regarded and he was hardly a paragon of virtue.
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Well quite. And look at Bill Clinton. Imagine if Trump had been caught sticking cigars up some young interns private parts in the actual Oval Office? Let alone DNA tests showing whatever on her dress.

And yet the man is still looked up to by many on the Left.

He has the magic sauce (in more ways than most in old Billy boys case).
 
Badger11 said:
The Democrats are starting the blame game, Clooney is first up into the barrel no doubt others will follow.

Some people hear but do not listen. The Democrats own pollsters told them time and time again what the public was concerned about and they did not listen. They were more concerned about their pet woke issues and simply did not understand why the voters weren't of a like mind.

It didn't help that many leading democrat voices labelled and belittled the people they were trying to win over branding voters racists, bigots and stupid etc. That may not be the best way to win someone vote.

Bill Clinton once said "It's the economy stupid". Of course he was right (about a different election) I would add that immigration was the other key factor.

I'm not sure the right for bearded men to use female changing rooms was high on the list of priorities for the average American.

If I was a Democrat I would be concerned that so many Latino's voted for Trump, this shows they can no longer rely on that block vote. Even amongst the blacks whilst still solidly behind Kamala there was a significant increase in Trump support.

Anyway the Dems will go away and lick their wounds and probably still not pay attention to the polling experts.
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‘George Clooney – who cares?’ Did celebrity endorsements actually harm Kamala Harris? interesting article on celebrity endorsement.
 
Matov said:
Well quite. And look at Bill Clinton. Imagine if Trump had been caught sticking cigars up some young interns private parts in the actual Oval Office? Let alone DNA tests showing whatever on her dress.

And yet the man is still looked up to by many on the Left.

He has the magic sauce (in more ways than most in old Billy boys case).
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He'd get vilified for smoking a cigar let alone...
 
Stirlingsays said:
.....'It's the economy stupid'.
Winning elections is hardly a secret to any of us. Keep the cost of essentials for life relative to income as cheap as possible
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Correct.

And the Kamala supporters....?..........she seemed to only appeal to the wallets of Single mothers on the dole ( with deadbeat unemployed runaway dads )

- University Feminists
- Soy Boys
- Antifa

- Socialists/ Commies /
- LGBTQ activists
- climate-change bores
- The investors of the Military-Industrial Complex


.......and precious little other supporters for Kamala.
 
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On foreign policy Biden probably the worst president ever, so why did Harris align with it? Even after defeat a man you woudn't send out for a loaf of bread in case he started WW3, incapable of change.

'How genocide cost Kamala and Trump's muslim victory'.


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