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Eaglehamster said:
I look forward to seeing how DT makes America great again and creates his “Golden Age”.
How excited his many supporters must be in the knowledge that their lives will be so much better under his rule. We shall see.
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most politicians either a) achieve no improvements or b) wreck the place.

Kamala would have been the latter. Trump ? i expect it similar to his former term in office. Although he could easily hand over to a younger man ( his VP ) after one or two years.

Defo the NATO wars will slow down, or stop.
 
We all know why Trump won.

The fact is that more and more people of all races are beginning to see the light. Soon only a hardcore of ideologue leftists will resist the tide of realisation.

Good for America.

Now our country needs to learn from this. If you want to stop wokery, illegals, mass migration and ever increasing taxes to pay for it, don’t riot or complain from the sofa. Vote for the people that will move politics in the right direction.
Nigel Farage is the man to drag us out of this death spiral.
 
Eaglehamster said:
Great news for Putin! Also Xi, who will feel so much easier about invading Taiwan.
Such joy!
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Yeah Putin was doing so badly with Biden and Harris.

America has gotten so much value for 175 billion....

Personally I'd say who'd be a happy American taxpayer with these clowns.

As for Taiwan, if or when China invades it won't be because of which US president is in power.
 
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With age you see and learn about elections and what actually matters and wins them.

Hell, I have a lot of fun with the culture war but in reality when it comes to actual power it's much more a side issue.....it has an effect but as the majority of people aren't that political it's relatively minor.

Clinton said it back when the Democrats still believed in a resemblance of reality.....'It's the economy stupid'.

The GOP knew what the two biggest issues were, the economy and the border, they knew that because polls told them. Both were slam dunk issues for them.

Winning elections is hardly a secret to any of us. Keep the cost of essentials for life relative to income as cheap as possible compared to your predecessor's efforts. That should always be by far and away the number one issue. Ultimately people vote with their wallets more than anything else and if enough of them aren't doing well then they will usually vote for the person they think will put more cash in their pockets.

So I think the economy is always the largest factor....Obviously there are lots of others but that's my view. Covid....or more accurately America's policy decisions around covid (like most of the west) I think played and will continue to play a big role in that economic environment. This happened here as well.....you can't put a hammer to your own economy and then expect to win elections a couple of years later because of the economic consequences.....even when you print money like confetti....those economic consequences are real.
 
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Eaglehamster said:
Great news for Putin! Also Xi, who will feel so much easier about invading Taiwan.
Such joy!
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Digressing from the thread a little but I haven't made a Ukraine post in a while, so there won't be a follow up here.

In the previous month, Russia captured over 500² km of territory the most land it's captured since the start of the war.
Ukrainian front lines are collapsing & many Ukrainian soldiers flee the battlefield, those that try to hold ground are pushed back on the daily, F16's have achieved nothing & have been a staggering waste of time, money & resources, the Ukrainian incursion into Russia has been a disaster as demonstrated by the fact Russia are capturing towns & cities daily.

Ukraine is very quickly running out of men that want to fight, they have cleared out their prisons (copying the Russians) & snatch people off the street to send to the front line, I know of two men who are hiding from such snatch squads.
Most Ukrainian's just want the fighting to stop.

The current western strategy spearheaded by Biden & his tranvestite generals of throwing infinite money at it is failing.

Russia continues to completely outperform small arms manufacturing vs the entirety of NATO capability.

Ukraine's saving grace, drones & their operators are easily the best on the planet however snow is falling in Ukraine & with colder weather comes diminished battery life, it's not warming up until march/April.

If you want Ukraine to exist & not just in name only there needs to be a drastic change in how the west & NATO are dealing with it.

Russia is winning.
 
ASCPFC said:
What's funny is how spectacularly they backfired anyway. Heads will roll.
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I think the legal cases were never about actually seeing Trump jailed because then it opens up a can of worms for the future in terms of ex-Presidents being held to account but rather about attempting to tarnish him in terms of his running for office again. Which was the part they failed to grasp in terms of the impact of the wider public. Much like say Johnson here in the UK in 2019 people had already factored in that his character was less than saintly and still voted for him. The problem with the virtue signalling addiction that huge swathes of soc.lib classes possess is that they assume everybody else has the same cravings. They fail to understand that leadership is not about sainthood. And that people are sick to death of the almost robotic nature now of much of our ruling elites, especially in the Anglo World.

Trump has succeeded because he is NOT of the conventional political class. Johnson also succeeded because of a similar perception (although in his case a lot more connived than Trumps) but the soc.lib managerialist class simply cannot perceive the attraction. Quite literally beyond their mental capacity to grasp because for them, ultimately they are effectively a quasi-religious order now who fall over themselves to appear more pure than the next. When they released that initial mug shot of Trump, and then championed it as some kind of trophy, I was literally gob-smacked. The people cheering that on just could not grasp how the majority of people would see that image in a totally different light.

The Trans-Stuff is another example. Case after case where it is clearly a severe mental illness at play and yet the Soc.libs fall over themselves to out do each other in terms of the fawning. It would be amusing if not for the fact that they then use the very real power they do possess to punish others for not actually agreeing with the madness. And yet on an individual basis, I am sure they see it for the lunacy almost all of it actually is. You could almost pity them for their need for validation from this hive-mentality if not for the fact they many of them are the most odious wankers you have ever had misfortune to encounter.
 
ASCPFC said:
What's funny is how spectacularly they backfired anyway. Heads will roll.
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Backfired?

Hardly.

They were stymied by obscurantism and legal shenanigans.

Smith did what he was asked to do. The cases looked sound to me and Trump has avoided facing the consequences solely by winning back the Presidency and not by any suggestion of innocence. Many thought that to avoid jail was Trump’s primary motive in standing. Not a motive I admire.

For around half the country their President will be a convicted felon who avoided jail by convincing idiots to vote for him. You might not agree but that’s not a healthy situation.
 
Matov said:
I think the legal cases were never about actually seeing Trump jailed because then it opens up a can of worms for the future in terms of ex-Presidents being held to account but rather about attempting to tarnish him in terms of his running for office again. Which was the part they failed to grasp in terms of the impact of the wider public. Much like say Johnson here in the UK in 2019 people had already factored in that his character was less than saintly and still voted for him. The problem with the virtue signalling addiction that huge swathes of soc.lib classes possess is that they assume everybody else has the same cravings. They fail to understand that leadership is not about sainthood. And that people are sick to death of the almost robotic nature now of much of our ruling elites, especially in the Anglo World.

Trump has succeeded because he is NOT of the conventional political class. Johnson also succeeded because of a similar perception (although in his case a lot more connived than Trumps) but the soc.lib managerialist class simply cannot perceive the attraction. Quite literally beyond their mental capacity to grasp because for them, ultimately they are effectively a quasi-religious order now who fall over themselves to appear more pure than the next. When they released that initial mug shot of Trump, and then championed it as some kind of trophy, I was literally gob-smacked. The people cheering that on just could not grasp how the majority of people would see that image in a totally different light.

The Trans-Stuff is another example. Case after case where it is clearly a severe mental illness at play and yet the Soc.libs fall over themselves to out do each other in terms of the fawning. It would be amusing if not for the fact that they then use the very real power they do possess to punish others for not actually agreeing with the madness. And yet on an individual basis, I am sure they see it for the lunacy almost all of it actually is. You could almost pity them for their need for validation from this hive-mentality if not for the fact they many of them are the most odious wankers you have ever had misfortune to encounter.
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The cases did NOT involve Trump as an ex President but as a private individual. The only thing that differentiates Ex Presidents is the security they get. Other than that they are as subject to the law as everyone else.
 
Matov said:
I think the legal cases were never about actually seeing Trump jailed because then it opens up a can of worms for the future in terms of ex-Presidents being held to account but rather about attempting to tarnish him in terms of his running for office again. Which was the part they failed to grasp in terms of the impact of the wider public. Much like say Johnson here in the UK in 2019 people had already factored in that his character was less than saintly and still voted for him. The problem with the virtue signalling addiction that huge swathes of soc.lib classes possess is that they assume everybody else has the same cravings. They fail to understand that leadership is not about sainthood. And that people are sick to death of the almost robotic nature now of much of our ruling elites, especially in the Anglo World.

Trump has succeeded because he is NOT of the conventional political class. Johnson also succeeded because of a similar perception (although in his case a lot more connived than Trumps) but the soc.lib managerialist class simply cannot perceive the attraction. Quite literally beyond their mental capacity to grasp because for them, ultimately they are effectively a quasi-religious order now who fall over themselves to appear more pure than the next. When they released that initial mug shot of Trump, and then championed it as some kind of trophy, I was literally gob-smacked. The people cheering that on just could not grasp how the majority of people would see that image in a totally different light.

The Trans-Stuff is another example. Case after case where it is clearly a severe mental illness at play and yet the Soc.libs fall over themselves to out do each other in terms of the fawning. It would be amusing if not for the fact that they then use the very real power they do possess to punish others for not actually agreeing with the madness. And yet on an individual basis, I am sure they see it for the lunacy almost all of it actually is. You could almost pity them for their need for validation from this hive-mentality if not for the fact they many of them are the most odious wankers you have ever had misfortune to encounter.
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Johnson and Trump both to some extent fall into the curious category of those who most just accept no matter what they do or say. There are some whose public persona is virtually bulletproof - Jack Nicholson, Jimmy White, Keith Richards, George Best (there will be more current examples but I don't know who they are) and a few others can, or could, do virtually anything without anyone caring.
 
Stirlingsays said:
With age you see and learn about elections and what actually matters and wins them.

Hell, I have a lot of fun with the culture war but in reality when it comes to actual power it's much more a side issue.....it has an effect but as the majority of people aren't that political it's relatively minor.

Clinton said it back when the Democrats still believed in a resemblance of reality.....'It's the economy stupid'.

The GOP knew what the two biggest issues were, the economy and the border, they knew that because polls told them. Both were slam dunk issues for them.

Winning elections is hardly a secret to any of us. Keep the cost of essentials for life relative to income as cheap as possible compared to your predecessor's efforts. That should always be by far and away the number one issue. Ultimately people vote with their wallets more than anything else and if enough of them aren't doing well then they will usually vote for the person they think will put more cash in their pockets.

So I think the economy is always the largest factor....Obviously there are lots of others but that's my view. Covid....or more accurately America's policy decisions around covid (like most of the west) I think played and will continue to play a big role in that economic environment. This happened here as well.....you can't put a hammer to your own economy and then expect to win elections a couple of years later because of the economic consequences.....even when you print money like confetti....those economic consequences are real.
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It might come as a surprise but some of us admire politicians who put the survival of the country before their own chances of political survival.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Backfired?

Hardly.

They were stymied by obscurantism and legal shenanigans.

Smith did what he was asked to do. The cases looked sound to me and Trump has avoided facing the consequences solely by winning back the Presidency and not by any suggestion of innocence. Many thought that to avoid jail was Trump’s primary motive in standing. Not a motive I admire.

For around half the country their President will be a convicted felon who avoided jail by convincing idiots to vote for him. You might not agree but that’s not a healthy situation.
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And as the result has shown calling people idiots isn't a surefire vote winner.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Backfired?

Hardly.

They were stymied by obscurantism and legal shenanigans.

Smith did what he was asked to do. The cases looked sound to me and Trump has avoided facing the consequences solely by winning back the Presidency and not by any suggestion of innocence. Many thought that to avoid jail was Trump’s primary motive in standing. Not a motive I admire.

For around half the country their President will be a convicted felon who avoided jail by convincing idiots to vote for him. You might not agree but that’s not a healthy situation.
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Hardly? Hugely, I think would be the correct word. Didn't dent his chances - enhanced them. Had he not been charged on what were pretty pathetic charges, he might well not have had the popularity.
It allowed him to play the victim card, turning the tables on the usual crying victims. The whole episode was misjudged and rank stupidity. So yes, hugely backfired. The idiots were the people who did this - they will be quietly sacked now. Or sacked when Trump gets in. I'm guessing before Trump gets in.
 
The Democrats are starting the blame game, Clooney is first up into the barrel no doubt others will follow.

Some people hear but do not listen. The Democrats own pollsters told them time and time again what the public was concerned about and they did not listen. They were more concerned about their pet woke issues and simply did not understand why the voters weren't of a like mind.

It didn't help that many leading democrat voices labelled and belittled the people they were trying to win over branding voters racists, bigots and stupid etc. That may not be the best way to win someone vote.

Bill Clinton once said "It's the economy stupid". Of course he was right (about a different election) I would add that immigration was the other key factor.

I'm not sure the right for bearded men to use female changing rooms was high on the list of priorities for the average American.

If I was a Democrat I would be concerned that so many Latino's voted for Trump, this shows they can no longer rely on that block vote. Even amongst the blacks whilst still solidly behind Kamala there was a significant increase in Trump support.

Anyway the Dems will go away and lick their wounds and probably still not pay attention to the polling experts.
 
Stirlingsays said:
With age you see and learn about elections and what actually matters and wins them.

Hell, I have a lot of fun with the culture war but in reality when it comes to actual power it's much more a side issue.....it has an effect but as the majority of people aren't that political it's relatively minor.

Clinton said it back when the Democrats still believed in a resemblance of reality.....'It's the economy stupid'.

The GOP knew what the two biggest issues were, the economy and the border, they knew that because polls told them. Both were slam dunk issues for them.

Winning elections is hardly a secret to any of us. Keep the cost of essentials for life relative to income as cheap as possible compared to your predecessor's efforts. That should always be by far and away the number one issue. Ultimately people vote with their wallets more than anything else and if enough of them aren't doing well then they will usually vote for the person they think will put more cash in their pockets.

So I think the economy is always the largest factor....Obviously there are lots of others but that's my view. Covid....or more accurately America's policy decisions around covid (like most of the west) I think played and will continue to play a big role in that economic environment. This happened here as well.....you can't put a hammer to your own economy and then expect to win elections a couple of years later because of the economic consequences.....even when you print money like confetti....those economic consequences are real.
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definitely think the economy was the main factor and ultimately Trump was very good at laying all the blame on Biden. USA , as have all developed countries, experienced high inflation post covid.
Clearly as Trump was in office for the majority of the covid period he must be partly responsible.

However, he was very good at changing the narrative. Similarly, by claiming that he will eliminate inflation (despite his tariff policies proven to have the opposite effect) won many voters over.

Ultimately people want low tax and more money in their pockets. Who pays for improved public services is a secondary concern
 
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