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Sentences too harsh!

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Germany: woman jailed for "insulting" gang-rapist of teenage girl - Gript

A young German women is to be jailed for a hate crime because she sent "insulting" messages to a man who walked free after the gang rape of a 15 year-old girl.
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Not sure what one can say! This seems to the norm now, hurty words towards immigrants get prison time, outrageous heinous crimes by immigrants punished by a kiss and a cuddle. Makes you wonder if there is a political agenda in operation
 
Spiderman said:
Not sure what one can say! This seems to the norm now, hurty words towards immigrants get prison time, outrageous heinous crimes by immigrants punished by a kiss and a cuddle. Makes you wonder if there is a political agenda in operation
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I hope the rapist got compensation.
 
georgenorman said:
You bang on about people taking 'simplistic' views on why people voted for Trump, yet you completely ignore the underlying reasons behind the regrettable riots. Also amusing that you think that 'your circle' represents some sort of nationwide view.
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The underlying reasons were the agitators spreading disinformation and encouraging people to take direct action. Which isn’t a new problem but the timing of their activity was directly related to the installation of the new government who they wanted to challenge. The events in Southport just being the excuse they used.

My circle are a mixed bunch but it doesn’t include anyone with the type of views which are predominant here. No view is ever nationally representative but I would wager mine and those of my friends is in the majority.
 
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Badger11 said:
Exactly.

You can be horrified by the riots and yet still angry with the government / politicians.

I get why Charles is saying what he did I simply disagree that people have come together, they haven't, if anything the riots have lit a blue touch paper.

Since the riots we now have Two Tier Starmer meme, Reform are continuing to make in roads, and the government has been going from one crisis to another.

It would be great if we could all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but it aint happened yet and is not likely to.

Wishing for something and making it happen are not the same thing.
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There has been a very obvious upping of right wing rhetoric since Labour took power. The riots were part of an attempt to unsettle the new government, using the gullible as foot soldiers.

As a nation there is an equally obvious split but it’s between very unbalanced groups and the rioting seems to have strengthened the resolve of those opposed to the right.

Using silly epithets such as Two Tier Starmer resonates of Trump’s childishness. They might be enjoyed by those gullible foot soldiers but will only strengthen the resolve of others.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
The underlying reasons were the agitators spreading disinformation and encouraging people to take direct action. Which isn’t a new problem but the timing of their activity was directly related to the installation of the new government who they wanted to challenge. The events in Southport just being the excuse they used.

My circle are a mixed bunch but it doesn’t include anyone with the type of views which are predominant here. No view is ever nationally representative but I would wager mine and those of my friends is in the majority.
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So they voted for Brexit then.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
The underlying reasons were the agitators spreading disinformation and encouraging people to take direct action. Which isn’t a new problem but the timing of their activity was directly related to the installation of the new government who they wanted to challenge. The events in Southport just being the excuse they used.

My circle are a mixed bunch but it doesn’t include anyone with the type of views which are predominant here. No view is ever nationally representative but I would wager mine and those of my friends is in the majority.
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You choose your circle and clearly have chosen all remainers and TDS fanatics.
Stating how none have the views as many on here is obvious due to this !
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There has been a very obvious upping of right wing rhetoric since Labour took power. The riots were part of an attempt to unsettle the new government, using the gullible as foot soldiers.

As a nation there is an equally obvious split but it’s between very unbalanced groups and the rioting seems to have strengthened the resolve of those opposed to the right.

Using silly epithets such as Two Tier Starmer resonates of Trump’s childishness. They might be enjoyed by those gullible foot soldiers but will only strengthen the resolve of others.
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Was there no left wing rhetoric when Tories were in power? I think so. Perhaps the resolve of the right has been strengthened by all the woke nonsense and illegal migrants being put ahead of Citizens.
Of course, Boris, Truss and Sunak were never called names were they!
 
cryrst said:
You choose your circle and clearly have chosen all remainers and TDS fanatics.
Stating how none have the views as many on here is obvious due to this !
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Not at all. Some are fellow bowlers, whose views about remaining or leaving in 2016 are unknown to me because I didn’t know them then. The subject rarely comes up in general conversation but with a couple who have the same degree of interest as me it does and they are even more passionately convinced of our mistake and determined about rejoining than I am. Cornwall voted to leave but the mood here has swung here with the farmers and fishermen realising the promises were all empty.

I have never heard anyone here say anything positive about Trump. He is held in contempt or ridiculed by all.
 
Spiderman said:
Was there no left wing rhetoric when Tories were in power? I think so. Perhaps the resolve of the right has been strengthened by all the woke nonsense and illegal migrants being put ahead of Citizens.
Of course, Boris, Truss and Sunak were never called names were they!
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Not in this way. Criticism of course. Every politician gets that, it’s par for the course and when you behave as Johnson and Truss did you are bound to get a lot. I don’t recall childish nicknames being widely used by their opponents though.

“Woke” is just another example of it. Trying to develop policies that encourage fairness and inclusiveness is the duty of every government. Objecting to the outcomes, especially temporary ones, through the use of silly epithets, is a mark of immature minds.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Some might have but a lot of people were conned into believing in green grass back in 2016 and have come to realise that since.
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They must have done if their views were in the majority. Labour have said there might be an approach to rejoin in 10 years. If a week is a long time in politics then a decade is an eternity.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
They must have done if their views were in the majority. Labour have said there might be an approach to rejoin in 10 years. If a week is a long time in politics then a decade is an eternity.
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You are confusing then and now.

A majority then does not mean it remains now. My original remark was about now.

Labour are being very cautious. Unnecessarily so in my opinion now the Tories have rejected the opportunity to move to the centre by choosing Badenoch and committed effective suicide.

We may well see a change of tone in the run up to 2029.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You are confusing then and now.

A majority then does not mean it remains now. My original remark was about now.

Labour are being very cautious. Unnecessarily so in my opinion now the Tories have rejected the opportunity to move to the centre by choosing Badenoch and committed effective suicide.

We may well see a change of tone in the run up to 2029.
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No I'm not; that's how votes work. There are a few who regret voting for Starmer as well.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
No I'm not; that's how votes work. There are a few who regret voting for Starmer as well.
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If no one ever changed their mind then we would never get a change of government. That’s how democracy works. Maybe some of my circle were indeed part of the Brexit majority in 2016, but they aren’t now.

I am sure some who voted for Labour now regret it. There’s nothing revolutionary in that. It’s very usual when those previously in opposition actually have to do things. I voted Tory but looking at what they have done since in choosing Badenoch now regret that.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
If no one ever changed their mind then we would never get a change of government. That’s how democracy works. Maybe some of my circle were indeed part of the Brexit majority in 2016, but they aren’t now.

I am sure some who voted for Labour now regret it. There’s nothing revolutionary in that. It’s very usual when those previously in opposition actually have to do things. I voted Tory but looking at what they have done since in choosing Badenoch now regret that.
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Maybe they say they regret their vote rather than endure constant lectures about why they were wrong and have ruined the country.
Why regret voting Tory? They would have made the same decision regardless of who you'd voted for.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Maybe they say they regret their vote rather than endure constant lectures about why they were wrong and have ruined the country.
Why regret voting Tory? They would have made the same decision regardless of who you'd voted for.
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If you knew my friends you would know how preposterous that suggestion is! I have no idea about a couple of them who are more recent additions but most predate Brexit. They are all perfectly capable of expressing themselves.

I regret voting Tory because they no longer are the party I remember. They have lost their way, but had an opportunity to find it again only to decide to compete with Reform for the hard right fringe. It’s a recipe for oblivion.
 
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