Sage in or out

[est1905]

To those who want Sage to remain, what exactly are they seeing that I’m perhaps missing?
Do they honestly see him putting in a defensive structure to prevent the concession of a couple of goals a game?
Do they see him organising us so that every ball towards the far post is a heart in the mouth moment as opposing players peel away to the far post unchallenged?
The errors are that basic.

I know there is an argument that it’s the same players, so what difference does a new manager make.
Well I don’t have to take you to far back to Holloway being replaced by Pulis.
We looked a totally different proposition under Pulis as a defensive structure was put in place and the whole team was forged into a proper unit knowing exactly what it was doing.

It wasn’t rocket science.
Pulis recognised, unlike Holloway, we were not capable of playing like Barcelona (as noble an aspiration as that may be) and maximised the talents of the players available to him and got them playing to their strengths in an organised set up.

I think its not about what you are potentially missing with Sage, its more to do with some having blind faith another manager (in some people's eyes any manager) could do any better with the defensive players we currently have at our disposal.
As mentioned before by others Sage had the second best defence in the French League last season so its less to do with his ability and more to do with the lack of it in our back line. I know people will say a bad tradesman always blames his tools but I completely refute that statement. Lets face it, you get as good a finish if you plastered a wall using apple crumble would you?

 

[park the bus]

Exactly this. There's been a lot of rubbish spoken about Parish trying to wing it and get by with sticky plaster and cheapos etc., as if there were millions left in the transfer kitty unspent. There isn't - we've spent it but not well. With the accounting year for UEFA's SCR ending on 31st December (see Article 93 of "UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Sustainability Regulations", in the link below, we should (if I understand things correctly, and I might not) have some headroom with the Jan 26 transfer deals dropping out of the calculations to some extent.

Yes, the 3 Bs are doing well, but like us, a couple of underwhelming transfer windows will see them nosedive if they aren't able to replace key players sold with quality.

Indeed. Franca, Nketiah, Larsen, Johnson for starters. Poor acquisitions that negate any incoming funds on the sale of the likes of Guehi, Lacroix, Eze, and Munoz. So without the necessary funds Parish is going to go for the cheapo sick note loan and free option. It's what he does.

 

[NEILLO]

We haven’t under invested. We spent £80m on players in January! What we have done is invested in players who haven’t worked out. Do people really think though Johnson and JSL were signed without Glasner having a lot of input?

The issue is with recruitment as you say but not the spend. We’ve spent pretty much all we can under current financial rules. The issue is we’ve not spent it well

To answer your question, who knows in reality ?

Glasner was effectively working his notice in that January window. Were the club willing to invest £80m on his say so given that he wouldn't be at the club past June ??

We have a ' Perfect Storm ' at the moment ;

* a new head coach that is finding life tough tactically
* two players that provide the vast majority of our goal threat largely unavailable
* a less than coherent transfer strategy - example - effectively paying £35m for Dwight bloody McNeil ! Historically when Palace spend big they spend bad.

Then we have key players getting early red cards and suspensions for stupid challenges.


Sage I feel sorry for to an extent. But results are poor, performance levels not great and he and his football are not sustainable. That's on him. And he will end of paying the price unless there's a spectacular turnaround.

Hobbs though, that's different. I don't know what his job description says, but would anybody, either us fans or impartial commentators , make a case for him doing a good job ?

 

[ASCPFC]

Most of the stats about France make me wonder what the French league is like - outside of one or two teams.

 

[est1905]

Sage has been sold down the river,notice Parish goes quiet when things start going tits up, I wouldn’t blame Sage for resigning but he seems a very honourable man.

I do think its extremely unfair Sage is taking so much blame atm when the support he needed/deserved in the summer transfer window just wasn't there. I'd also question whether someone else could do vastly better with the players he has.
I agree sometimes a change (even for someone of similar or less reputation) can give everyone a lift but I'd question if say Sean Dyche were offered the job, looked at our current defence and players available to him whether he would even be interested in taking over.

 

[ASCPFC]

I do think its extremely unfair Sage is taking so much blame atm when the support he needed/deserved in the summer transfer window just wasn't there. I'd also question whether someone else could do vastly better with the players he has.
I agree sometimes a change (even for someone of similar or less reputation) can give everyone a lift but I'd question if say Sean Dyche were offered the job, looked at our current defence and players available to him whether he would even be interested in taking over.

Sage seems like a decent bloke but he is very much looking out of his depth too. I don't think this squad is that bad. Timber needs to get fit and we're going to have to work out up front.
If Sarr is still having a sulk, that's pretty difficult.

 

[est1905]

It is a bad system. It really is. My son is a Brentford fan and I took him to watch them beat Forest yesterday. It will be of no surprise to anyone that both Brentford goals came from them playing a wide player into space behind the wing back. It’s just such an easy system to play against.

Not that easy. We won three trophies using that system and I dont seem to remember Brentford beating us too often

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Most of the stats about France make me wonder what the French league is like - outside of one or two teams.

Since 2011-12 PSG have been second X3 or won it.

 

[ASCPFC]

Since 2011-12 PSG have been second X3 or won it.

I'm presuming it's not a defensive league.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I'm presuming it's not a defensive league.

Suspect it doesn't make much difference when they roll into town.

 

[NEILLO]

I do think its extremely unfair Sage is taking so much blame atm when the support he needed/deserved in the summer transfer window just wasn't there. I'd also question whether someone else could do vastly better with the players he has.
I agree sometimes a change (even for someone of similar or less reputation) can give everyone a lift but I'd question if say Sean Dyche were offered the job, looked at our current defence and players available to him whether he would even be interested in taking over.

Dyche kept a poor Everton side up.

I don't think he's interested in a short term deal. And that's what I would offer him if I was Parish.

I think a change in set up and tactics could make a difference and make us harder to play through. I keep coming back to that word ' sustainable ' - what we are doing now isn't.

And given that the players seem unable to master Sage's methods, it's just possible that as a group they would feel more confident playing a different way ?