Reform

[Stirlingsays]

 

[Glazier#1]

Brexit is important as it allows Britain to deal with immigration if a right wing government gets in.....That isn't the Tories due to the lies....and the fact that the civil service is massively remain.

As Cummings states, nothing changes until a new broom removes all the blocks and that's what most people who voted leave wanted.....for Immigration to be sorted out.....and they and I were betrayed.



If you write posts that only mention one side lying during that referendum then you are going to receive sarcasm.



Well, the opinion polls show you that the EU isn't a major factor in people's choice of vote.

It's mostly the concern of activists on either side.

Farage is a polarising figure but despite all the desperate dirty tactics being applied to him he's ahead by a significant amount. That's because the majority in the country know the neo and social liberals/mainstream left have failed the country and dirty tactics aren't a basis for changing voting patterns.

Farage deserves his chance at power simply on the basis that it's his turn.....but few imagine Reform can turn it around....Hopefully I'm wrong but the economic rot runs too deep in my opinion. It doesn't matter who is in power, Labour/Tories/Reform.

But I'll have Reform because at least they don't hate the white working class, which is my demographic.....The Tories decided to become social liberals and Labour detest the likes of me and wish I didn't exist.....except in the case of the younger likes of me signing up to fight Russia of course....fighting for tranny rights and pride parades.

Neither Labour nor the Tories deserve power.

Both are probably going to resort to coalitions to even get a sniff at partial power.....and as I say, neither deserve it

Ever thought of moving to Hungary?

Trouble is, They're in the EU.

Shame, eh? Otherwise, aren't you tempted?

 

[ASCPFC]

Ever thought of moving to Hungary?

I think of it pretty often.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Brexit is important as it allows Britain to deal with immigration if a right wing government gets in.....That isn't the Tories due to the lies....and the fact that the civil service is massively remain.

As Cummings states, nothing changes until a new broom removes all the blocks and that's what most people who voted leave wanted.....for Immigration to be sorted out.....and they and I were betrayed.



If you write posts that only mention one side lying during that referendum then you are going to receive sarcasm.



Well, the opinion polls show you that the EU isn't a major factor in people's choice of vote.

It's mostly the concern of activists on either side.

Farage is a polarising figure but despite all the desperate dirty tactics being applied to him he's ahead by a significant amount. That's because the majority in the country know the neo and social liberals/mainstream left have failed the country and dirty tactics aren't a basis for changing voting patterns.

Farage deserves his chance at power simply on the basis that it's his turn.....but few imagine Reform can turn it around....Hopefully I'm wrong but the economic rot runs too deep in my opinion. It doesn't matter who is in power, Labour/Tories/Reform.

But I'll have Reform because at least they don't hate the white working class, which is my demographic.....The Tories decided to become social liberals and Labour detest the likes of me and wish I didn't exist.....except in the case of the younger likes of me signing up to fight Russia of course....fighting for tranny rights and pride parades.

Neither Labour nor the Tories deserve power.

Both are probably going to resort to coalitions to even get a sniff at partial power.....and as I say, neither deserve it

Is this parody lol? That's exactly what you did, and then I pointed out that the other side also lied.

I think the rest of your post is littered with half-truths and selective framing, not least the idea that the ever-championed Farage is a victim of anything, but you'll certainly find no argument from me re Labour and the Tories.

 

[Glazier#1]

I think of it pretty often.

But you live in Eire, don't you?

I often wonder why you're so vocal about the UK.

Is there anything stopping you from applying for Hungarian citizenship?

 

[ASCPFC]

Ever thought of moving to Hungary?

Trouble is, They're in the EU.

Shame, eh? Otherwise, aren't you tempted?

They actually just selectively follow EU rules, mainly for economic agricultural subsidies. Anything else they just pay lip service to or simply ignore. Something all the countries should do. Except Ireland of course. Most faithful country ever. And remember how the UK could never do anything? Hands tied, EU rules, law etc. Yet, Poland and Hungary do what they like. Particularly on immigration. There would have been no Brexit were there proper borders. That's all it would have taken. No one gave a f*** about the Boris bus or anything else much.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Is this parody lol? That's exactly what you did, and then I pointed out that the other side also lied.

I don't remember you saying that Remain also lied....maybe you did after you were 'challenged' (apologies I dislike that word) but I don't remember it and I can't be bothered to go searching.

I think the rest of your post is littered with half-truths and selective framing, not least the idea that the ever-championed Farage is a victim of anything, but you'll certainly find no argument from me re Labour and the Tories.

Rather than make assertions you could back them up.

 

[Glazier#1]

They actually just selectively follow EU rules, mainly for economic agricultural subsidies. Anything else they just pay lip service to or simply ignore. Something all the countries should do. Except Ireland of course. Most faithful country ever. And remember how the UK could never do anything? Hands tied, EU rules, law etc. Yet, Poland and Hungary do what they like. Particularly on immigration. There would have been no Brexit were there proper borders. That's all it would have taken. No one gave a f*** about the Boris bus or anything else much.

So, again, why don't you move there?

Is that not possible?

 

[Stirlingsays]

But you live in Eire, don't you?

I often wonder why you're so vocal about the UK.

Is there anything stopping you from applying for Hungarian citizenship?

Ireland is going through the same invasion and aside from that they are essentially the same people with thousands of years of history in these isles.

Who are you to tell anyone to migrant from their ancestral lands?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Ever thought of moving to Hungary?

Trouble is, They're in the EU.

Shame, eh? Otherwise, aren't you tempted?

If I were a slav yes.

I'm an Anglo, my history on these isles goes back centuries.

I suspect your heritage lies somewhere else.

 

[Glazier#1]

Ireland is going through the same invasion and aside from that they are essentially the same people with thousands of years of history in these isles.

Who are you to tell anyone to migrant from their ancestral lands?

Tell? I've not told anybody to do anything.

Oh dear. Paranoia kicks in.

Calm down

 

[Glazier#1]

If I were a slav yes.

I'm an Anglo, my history on these isles goes back centuries.

I suspect your heritage lies somewhere else.

Haha! Would you like to guess where my heritage lies?

As I said: paranoia.

'Suspect'. Go ahead Clouseau.

But anyway, Hungary and Orbaan seem to align with your political preferences.

Not considered it?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I don't remember you saying that Remain also lied....maybe you did after you were 'challenged' (apologies I dislike that word) but I don't remember it and I can't be bothered to go searching.



Rather than make assertions you could back them up.

You: I was just making the point that those who tried to paint a picture of collapse and dramatic decline, were wrong back in 2016 and many are still pushing that stuff today.

Me: Sure, and those who tried to paint a picture of a utopia with more money to invest into infrastructure and public services and 'oven-ready trade deals' were also wrong



You: If you write posts that only mention one side lying during that referendum then you are going to receive sarcasm.

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[ASCPFC]

But you live in Eire, don't you?

I often wonder why you're so vocal about the UK.

Is there anything stopping you from applying for Hungarian citizenship?

I'm a dual citizen. I could be even more as I'm pretty much mixed. But I don't want to too greedy.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Haha! Would you like to guess where my heritage lies?

As I said: paranoia.

'Suspect'. Go ahead Clouseau.

But anyway, Hungary and Orbaan seem to align with your political preferences.

Not considered it?

You have to be told twice?

Do you require echos to understand?

 

[Stirlingsays]

You: I was just making the point that those who tried to paint a picture of collapse and dramatic decline, were wrong back in 2016 and many are still pushing that stuff today.

Me: Sure, and those who tried to paint a picture of a utopia with more money to invest into infrastructure and public services and 'oven-ready trade deals' were also wrong



You: If you write posts that only mention one side lying during that referendum then you are going to receive sarcasm.

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That's literally after you were criticized.

And you think the extent of criticising the remain campaign is summed up with one word 'Sure'? Amusingly you then spends the rest of the sentence focusing on vote leave again!

The whole point was you started criticising the vote leave for lying and you didn't mention the stone cold fact that both sides lied.

Never mind mate, stick around for another thirty years and learn what it felt like for us to be denied a vote.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Tell? I've not told anybody to do anything.

Oh dear. Paranoia kicks in.

Calm down

I'm fine, just telling it how it is.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That's literally after you were criticized.

And you think the extent of criticising the remain campaign is summed up with one word 'Sure'? Amusingly you then spends the rest of the sentence focusing on vote leave again!

The whole point was you started criticising the vote leave for lying and you didn't mention the stone cold fact that both sides lied.

Never mind mate, stick around for another thirty years and learn what it felt like for us to be denied a vote.

I think it’s very clear which one of us acknowledges both sides lied, and which didn’t.

I predict we will be back in well within 30 years - once we stop tiptoeing around hurting the feelings of those who were conned and just get on with facing reality.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think it’s very clear which one of us acknowledges both sides lied, and which didn’t.

I mentioned it several times....I've said it countless times since 2016.....On here though, you only refer to it with 'sure' and that's only in response to me actually making that exact point to you.

Good grief!

I predict we will be back in well within 30 years - once we stop tiptoeing around hurting the feelings of those who were conned and just get on with facing reality.

Perhaps (which wouldn't be fair), though what kind of EU it is that's another question entirely.

 

[Glazier#1]

You have to be told twice?

Do you require echos to understand?

No, not at all but I did pose the question wondering if you'd considered it but you were more interested in having a fight and getting on to your hobby horse.

You just wrote "why should I" or words to that effect without answering my enquiry.

Answer 1) Yes, I have considered it but as an Anglo Saxon, I think I belong in this country.

Answer 2) No, I haven't even considered it.

ASCPFC was good enough to give a reply without feeling the need to vociferously parade his racial purity.