Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Wisbech Eagle]

what is the source I cant find it ?👍

I thought that’s what Parrish said last week. That all the hurdles had been jumped and the deal would complete this week. Announcing we are going to CAS tends to confirm that Johnson, not Textor, owns the shares.

On another issue is anyone else reading the Forest forums?

I know football fans can be one eyed monsters but this lot are seriously deluded.

 

[Part Time James]

I thought that’s what Parrish said last week. That all the hurdles had been jumped and the deal would complete this week. Announcing we are going to CAS tends to confirm that Johnson, not Textor, owns the shares.

On another issue is anyone else reading the Forest forums?

I know football fans can be one eyed monsters but this lot are seriously deluded.

I've actually never read another team's forum. I'm worried they'll be home to people that are more peculiar than us and I was rather hopeful that we held the exclusivity to peculiarity.

 

[Jason Smith]

I've actually never read another team's forum. I'm worried they'll be home to people that are more peculiar than us and I was rather hopeful that we held the exclusivity to peculiarity.

We do … they’re just a pale imitation!
Even our Ticket & Travel page is more interesting than anything else out there.
Nope, don’t waste your time going anywhere else, just stay with this.
I realised that when I dipped into Brighton’s chat room and staring right at me was a coronavirus thread!

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Crystal Palace: Lib Dem MPs ask Lisa Nandy to intervene over Europa League demotion

A group of Liberal Democrat MPs ask the culture secretary Lisa Nandy to intervene over Crystal Palace's demotion from the Europa League.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Frenchaigle]

Just saw Parish / Linekar podcast

Parish needs to stop talking

Either Parish lodges the appeal or we just move on.Either way he needs to stop talking .He's making us look silly

Saying UEFA are demoting us because of Forest letter is ridiculous.

We all know it was a sneaky , ratty move by Forest .
We all know the rules are illogical .

Parish is starting to sound like the Greek .
Anybody that sympathised with our case we will lose .


We need to move on .

 

[ex hibitionist]

If the case is taken purely on its merits then it does seem very unlikely we will win the appeal, I hope that the historic cases where there has been flexibility both with deadlines and terms and conditions will have some bearing, that's the way common law works but not statute law, if precedence is a factor we have a chance to win the appeal, if it isn't then we have very little. The punishment does not fit the 'crime', but that may also have no bearing as it is basically subjective. A few MPs are getting behind us so hopefully common sense will prevail. If you were a betting man what odds would you take for us winning the appeal? If I saw 4/1 I'd personally think about backing us, I'd consider 4/7 losing which is an arbitrage (back both and still win) so I'm going 2/5 lose 2/1 win. So that's a 33% chance - not all that scientific but one's willingness to part with money is a good guide in terms of probability.

 

[edskan]

Everything is back to front with Palace: Steve Parish owns the least shares, but has the most power. Textor owns the most shares, but has the least power. This case is definitely ‘’sui generis’!

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. UEFA are probably baffled by this concept.

 

[chris123]

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. UEFA are probably baffled by this concept.

They shouldn't be there are lots of quoted companies that have a and b shares

 

[Spiderman]

Love from Athens

Apologies don’t know how to expand photo

Got it from a post on bbs

 

[Spindle]

Did these rules exist when Mark Goldberg was trying to buy Palace with tokens off the Corn Flake box?

It was common knowledge Goldberg had overpaid

 

[Spindle]

Just saw Parish / Linekar podcast

Parish needs to stop talking

Either Parish lodges the appeal or we just move on.Either way he needs to stop talking .He's making us look silly

Saying UEFA are demoting us because of Forest letter is ridiculous.

We all know it was a sneaky , ratty move by Forest .
We all know the rules are illogical .

Parish is starting to sound like the Greek .
Anybody that sympathised with our case we will lose .


We need to move on .

Quitter.

You move on then, don't post on this thread again

 

[Spindle]

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. UEFA are probably baffled by this concept.

Shouldn't be hard, the fat greek has "no shares" but "complete control" so it's utter bollocks. It's the emperor's new clothes at UEFA

 

[mtp1958]

They shouldn't be there are lots of quoted companies that have a and b shares

yes but companies don't get demoted for the set up , that's why I believe we are in a strong position as we are transparent about our set up and records to prove it , they dont know how its working , they want simple like biggest share gets biggest vote , which is not us . and put shares in blind trust which is the biggest cheat of all time in football ,

 

[NEILLO]

Just saw Parish / Linekar podcast

Parish needs to stop talking

Either Parish lodges the appeal or we just move on.Either way he needs to stop talking .He's making us look silly

Saying UEFA are demoting us because of Forest letter is ridiculous.

We all know it was a sneaky , ratty move by Forest .
We all know the rules are illogical .

Parish is starting to sound like the Greek .
Anybody that sympathised with our case we will lose .


We need to move on .

Olympiakos boss Marinakis to face trial on charges of match fixing

A Greek court ruled on Wednesday that Olympiakos and Nottingham Forest owner Vangelis Marinakis is to face trial on charges of match fixing in Greece.

www.tntsports.co.uk

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Edging closer to 200 pages.

Now MP's are getting involves in Palace's case. OK, not proper MP's, but Lib/Dem's. But they all help.
( Oops , just seen someone else has posted)

"A group of Liberal Democrat MPs have asked the culture secretary Lisa Nandy to intervene over Uefa's "disgraceful" decision to demote Crystal Palace from the Europa League for breaching its multi-club ownership rules.
The seven politicians from London - including party leader Sir Ed Davey - wrote to express "deep concern" over what they called "a highly unusual and severe punishment on the club that raises serious questions about fairness and transparency in the governance of English football"." (BBC Website)

 

[Part Time James]

We do … they’re just a pale imitation!
Even our Ticket & Travel page is more interesting than anything else out there.
Nope, don’t waste your time going anywhere else, just stay with this.
I realised that when I dipped into Brighton’s chat room and staring right at me was a coronavirus thread!

If anyone is still going to be taping their letterboxes shut to hide from a cough it will be them...

 

[Part Time James]

It was common knowledge Goldberg had overpaid

For what he got yes. I actually think he'd have benefited from an official body protecting him from the mistake.

 

[CPTBsn]

If you read article 5 there is no mention of percentages or decisive control. That's all been made up. I assume so UEFA have wriggle room, but it says in black and white it's any involvement with 2 clubs. Earlier on the forum a few people posted the rules so you can see, or go on the uefa website.

Ive only dipped in and out of the thread over the 200 pages but seen this sort of comment a few times and it isn't quite true. There are three bits to the article 5.

A) which applies to the club (not its shareholders so far as I can tell). So CPFC itself. This does not apply here, the club dont own any interest in Lyon.

B) which applies to management/administration, which may apply to Textor, not clear to me whether he had any actual involvement in Palace management/admin. Clearly from his role at Lyon he was there. If he was at Palace too (which we'd argue against) Then we'd be out. I haven't got the impression this is what UEFA are arguing but I haven't looked at anything from uefa. But if he was a director (which looks like he was) Then it's probably a slam dunk for uefa.

C) which applies to shareholders etc and does refer to control or influence and uses examples (not definitive) of control such as majority share ownership when it comes to voting rights (not relevant here) and also being able to exercise a decisive influence in decision making of the club.

So if c is being applied there is scope for arguing what decisive is, it is very relevant how many votes he has etc. I dont see why we wouldn't have a decent chance of appeal tbh even without Textor selling, but obviously the club is paying someone lots of money to advise on that and weigh up if its better to just get on with life now and maybe sue UEFA later.

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

 

[Spindle]

Olympiakos boss Marinakis to face trial on charges of match fixing

A Greek court ruled on Wednesday that Olympiakos and Nottingham Forest owner Vangelis Marinakis is to face trial on charges of match fixing in Greece.

www.tntsports.co.uk

He's a real UEFA type of guy. A strong future for him.

 

[Willo]

Ive only dipped in and out of the thread over the 200 pages but seen this sort of comment a few times and it isn't quite true. There are three bits to the article 5.

A) which applies to the club (not its shareholders so far as I can tell). So CPFC itself. This does not apply here, the club dont own any interest in Lyon.

B) which applies to management/administration, which may apply to Textor, not clear to me whether he had any actual involvement in Palace management/admin. Clearly from his role at Lyon he was there. If he was at Palace too (which we'd argue against) Then we'd be out. I haven't got the impression this is what UEFA are arguing but I haven't looked at anything from uefa. But if he was a director (which looks like he was) Then it's probably a slam dunk for uefa.

C) which applies to shareholders etc and does refer to control or influence and uses examples (not definitive) of control such as majority share ownership when it comes to voting rights (not relevant here) and also being able to exercise a decisive influence in decision making of the club.

So if c is being applied there is scope for arguing what decisive is, it is very relevant how many votes he has etc. I dont see why we wouldn't have a decent chance of appeal tbh even without Textor selling, but obviously the club is paying someone lots of money to advise on that and weigh up if its better to just get on with life now and maybe sue UEFA later.

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

I suspect, the 'Eagle Football Holdings' 43% shareholding in CPFC was sufficient to convince UEFA that this represented a decisive influence at the club.