New Manager Planning

[the silurian]

Lampard seems to have now earned his spurs but I guess he would want to stay as Coventry look premiership bound?

No No No!

 

[Willo]

Quite a lot of pessimists on here it seems… we’re having our greatest season ever or joint-one with last year, so greatest ever two seasons in a row then, hands down, under probably our greatest ever manager, with probably our greatest ever squad, playing beautiful, beautiful football, entertaining football, successful football, playing the Oli Glasner way.

Maybe the fact that he feels passionate enough about the club to speak about his frustrations is exactly what will keep him here. If he had no intention to stay he wouldn’t bother complaining about our transfer activity. If he was off to Madrid or Munich or wherever in the summer it wouldn’t matter to him about our (perceived or genuine) lack of signings would it?

He has a right to feel how he feels, he’s more than earned it and a lot of us feel the same as him, but there is a difference between a desire for more ambitious transfer activity and giving up on the project altogether. I’ve never seen him say anything that actually suggests he’s doing the latter.

Simon Jordan commented "It is obvious he is leaving".
I suppose that when a manager has only 6 months to run on his contract and is vocal about being less than happy with the support he has received in the Transfer Market, I understand why such a conclusion is reached.

 

[park the bus]

Steve Parish's office...

Steve: "Oliver, I heard your post match interview, and I thought we agreed at the beginning of the season that we had enough to take on Europe and the League with this group of players? It could be that we'll have to revise our initial expectations."
Oliver: "That's a game we should have won Steve, and yes, I got a bit carried away, my apologies."
Steve: "Well it's done now, never mind. I love you Ollie."
Oliver: "I love you too Steve."

Steve and Oliver stand up and give each other a big man hug, awww. A knock on the door and in walks Brighty.

Mark: "I'm not disturbing anything I hope?"

Cue emotional music, the camera pans from the model of the new stand on Steve's desk to the view from the window out over the Selhurst train depot.

 

[RubinsCube]

Quite a lot of pessimists on here it seems… we’re having our greatest season ever or joint-one with last year, so greatest ever two seasons in a row then, hands down, under probably our greatest ever manager, with probably our greatest ever squad, playing beautiful, beautiful football, entertaining football, successful football, playing the Oli Glasner way.

Maybe the fact that he feels passionate enough about the club to speak about his frustrations is exactly what will keep him here. If he had no intention to stay he wouldn’t bother complaining about our transfer activity. If he was off to Madrid or Munich or wherever in the summer it wouldn’t matter to him about our (perceived or genuine) lack of signings would it?

He has a right to feel how he feels, he’s more than earned it and a lot of us feel the same as him, but there is a difference between a desire for more ambitious transfer activity and giving up on the project altogether. I’ve never seen him say anything that actually suggests he’s doing the latter.

I think this is precisely the motivation. If OG was making simplistic media soundbites I'd be much more worried.

From OG's perspective, he will feel he holds most of the cards: either the board back him or he leaves with his head held high and his stock even higher. He would be on most shortlists for most top tier jobs going either in the second half of this season or next.

From the club's perspective, maybe they also feel they hold most of the cards: the reputational and commercial impact from the club's recent on pitch success, the cash in hand by "saving not investing" (OG's comment) and the current squad all make the Palace job the best it has ever been for an elite coach.

Taking the above into account I think OG will leave at the end of the season. But that someone pretty decent will take up the reins.

 

[Willo]

I think this is precisely the motivation. If OG was making simplistic media soundbites I'd be much more worried.

From OG's perspective, he will feel he holds most of the cards: either the board back him or he leaves with his head held high and his stock even higher. He would be on most shortlists for most top tier jobs going either in the second half of this season or next.

From the club's perspective, maybe they also feel they hold most of the cards: the reputational and commercial impact from the club's recent on pitch success, the cash in hand by "saving not investing" (OG's comment) and the current squad all make the Palace job the best it has ever been for an elite coach.

Taking the above into account I think OG will leave at the end of the season. But that someone pretty decent will take up the reins.

If indeed this is the actualite, I suspect the 'Board' will face shot and shell from supporters who have concluded that Glasner did not receive sufficient backing in the Transfer Market.

 

[Willo]

I think this is precisely the motivation. If OG was making simplistic media soundbites I'd be much more worried.

From OG's perspective, he will feel he holds most of the cards: either the board back him or he leaves with his head held high and his stock even higher. He would be on most shortlists for most top tier jobs going either in the second half of this season or next.

From the club's perspective, maybe they also feel they hold most of the cards: the reputational and commercial impact from the club's recent on pitch success, the cash in hand by "saving not investing" (OG's comment) and the current squad all make the Palace job the best it has ever been for an elite coach.

Taking the above into account I think OG will leave at the end of the season. But that someone pretty decent will take up the reins.

On the 'Flip side of the coin' some elite coaches might have in their mindset a club which won the FA Cup, reached a European competition yet in the 'Transfer Market' saved rather than invested and were prepared to lose it's captain and England defender on the last day of the 'Window' to be replaced by a player who has subsequently only played 4 games for W.Ham, 3 from the bench.
Perhaps they will conclude the 'Project' is not for them.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

the thing about high-profile managers, is they want a big budget. If we are talking a replacement for Oli, Frank , Slot, etc, etc would all expect a big spend budget.
Dalglish at Blackburn, Mourinho at Chelsea, SAF, even Wenger had an option to spend big if the right player was available.
Oli has been around Palace a while, so might be in a position to know how much money should be available.
Because Palace's mentality from looking around for scraps in the last 5 minutes of the transfer window really needs to change a bit. The means a lot of financial work. Bigger spends on signings might mean bigger wages, having to change the players wage structure, and that might not work within the financial constraints of the Premiership rules.
It's a right old pickle. 🙂 Hoping Glasner will not up-sticks, but any new incumbent will likely have to work within the same constraints.

 

[Willo]

the thing about high-profile managers, is they want a big budget. If we are talking a replacement for Oli, Frank , Slot, etc, etc would all expect a big spend budget.
Dalglish at Blackburn, Mourinho at Chelsea, SAF, even Wenger had an option to spend big if the right player was available.
Oli has been around Palace a while, so might be in a position to know how much money should be available.
Because Palace's mentality from looking around for scraps in the last 5 minutes of the transfer window really needs to change a bit. The means a lot of financial work. Bigger spends on signings might mean bigger wages, having to change the players wage structure, and that might not work within the financial constraints of the Premiership rules.
It'd a right old pickle. 🙂 Hoping Glasner will not up-sticks, but any new incumbent will likely have to work within the same constraints.

On HOL I have gallivanted down the alley of Financial Regulations and the fact that we do not generate the revenue of some of the other clubs in the PL.
I do not profess to knowing the detailed 'Financials' at our club. According to Simon Jordan we have the 'Bandwidth' and 'Headroom' to invest more than we have done. Due to my lack of knowledge of these details, I cannot vouch for the veracity of his assertions.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

I'd be surprised if Parish was overly concerned that his manager is moaning about recruitment in the press. Most managers do it, including most palace managers. Not exactly grounds for divorce.

The concern is, and surely has been since Wembley and especially since uefagate, whether Glasner is motivated and keen to stay.

He is now somewhere near the top of the list of second-tier manager/coaches: He has been successful more than once with small to medium clubs in top leagues and in Europe. He's done more than Thomas Frank or Eddie Howe did before they got big jobs, he's not getting younger, and I can't blame him if he wants a shot at one of the big clubs now.

Moreover, even if he is happy to stay as long as palace can progress further, we can't. He has already hit the highest height anyone ever could at palace. He has nothing realistic to aim upwards at now, the best he can do is more of the same in the form of aiming for another cup, which isn't really progress for him at this stage of his career. I expect he'll go, and would actually question it if he signed another deal with us.

In terms of the next manager, I'd say Palace need to be well organised, especially defensively, to compete. The next manager will not have an Eze or Olise, let alone both. I think a pragmatic tactical coach, rather than a man manager, is once again the profile.

The next manager probably won't have to juggle league with European football, and so we can get back to being ok with a smaller squad, and a settled, well drilled team. Within that, a few opportunities will inevitably open up for younger players (whether from the academy or the championship) just because we can't afford or justify a big squad of senior players, but it will remain the case that for every five or six 'promising' players in our wider squad at any one time, probably only two will really establish themselves. We are not a crèche. Even clubs our size who have successfully bought through lots of valuable talent and sold it on ended up worse off. Think Leicester or Southampton. I see no reason why the next manager should be tasked with blooding a higher number of youngsters than his predecessors were.

 

[PatrickA]

I'm in no hurry to see Glasner depart if the alternatives are the likes of Southgate and Potter (currently in Scandanavia).
Empty vessels who talk the talk, but rarely deliver.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We'll probably be back to three worse teams next season.

We won’t. We will probably be mid table again, where we are likely to be again this year.

What we won’t be is in the Championship or, worse, insolvent.

We are on a journey during which there will be constant ups and downs but one in which the general direction is up. Unlike some other clubs. Three cup finals, 2 lost, the last won. Could I have imagined that 70 years ago?

We enjoyed the highest high this year and now our first ever season of European football, even if the actual prize was stolen from us by the Sheriff of Nottingham. We could still see another one this year, by winning the Conference and entering the Europa next season. It looks unlikely to me though and would present even bigger issues than we are seeing now.

I am glad Parish is keeping a cool and pragmatic lid on things. He won’t, I am quite sure, cave into Glasner’s demands which are unrealistic for us. Glasner is off. The only question is when and whether, if he stays until the end of his contract, he remains able to motivate the players as he clearly has been. If it becomes apparent that isn’t the case and we see a deterioration in performance don’t write off the possibility of him being released earlier.

 

[RubinsCube]

On the 'Flip side of the coin' some elite coaches might have in their mindset a club which won the FA Cup, reached a European competition yet in the 'Transfer Market' saved rather than invested and were prepared to lose it's captain and England defender on the last day of the 'Window' to be replaced by a player who has subsequently only played 4 games for W.Ham, 3 from the bench.
Perhaps they will conclude the 'Project' is not for them.

Very possible. I thought Simon Jordan's comment on TalkSport about being privy to the background on this was interesting: OG thought he was let down two summers ago with transfers, but had only been there 5 months and was himself still earning his stripes. Further conversations were had. OG then achieved unprecedented on-field success but last summer's transfer activity was again below expectation from his perspective.

So he feels done up like a proverbial kipper not once, but twice.

 

[Linford]

Simon Jordan commented "It is obvious he is leaving".
I suppose that when a manager has only 6 months to run on his contract and is vocal about being less than happy with the support he has received in the Transfer Market, I understand why such a conclusion is reached.

I wouldn’t take anything that Simon Jordan of all people says as gospel.

If the two-bob Alan Sugar knockoff says it’s obvious he’s leaving, I’m even more convinced he’s staying.

 

[beak]

Steve Parish's office...

Steve: "Oliver, I heard your post match interview, and I thought we agreed at the beginning of the season that we had enough to take on Europe and the League with this group of players? It could be that we'll have to revise our initial expectations."
Oliver: "That's a game we should have won Steve, and yes, I got a bit carried away, my apologies."
Steve: "Well it's done now, never mind. I love you Ollie."
Oliver: "I love you too Steve."

Steve and Oliver stand up and give each other a big man hug, awww. A knock on the door and in walks Brighty.

Mark: "I'm not disturbing anything I hope?"

Cue emotional music, the camera pans from the model of the new stand on Steve's desk to the view from the window out over the Selhurst train depot.

Did you write ten thousand Mills & Boon books?

 

[PatrickA]

It's not what Jordan has said.
We've all heard with our own ears what Glasner has said.
The relationship with the board has clearly broken down, at least where transfers and makeup of the squad is concerned.

This isn't to apportion blame.
Sometimes managers and owners have conflicting views/objectives and this leads to an inevitable parting of the ways.

 

[Willo]

Very possible. I thought Simon Jordan's comment on TalkSport about being privy to the background on this was interesting: OG thought he was let down two summers ago with transfers, but had only been there 5 months and was himself still earning his stripes. Further conversations were had. OG then achieved unprecedented on-field success but last summer's transfer activity was again below expectation from his perspective.

So he feels done up like a proverbial kipper not once, but twice.

I very much suspect that the number of supporters who truly believe that Glasner will be in situ next season is diminishing day on day.
Our players will also have formulated their opinions.
Glasner has not extended his contract, there is only 6 months to go before his current contract expires, he has expressed his opinions about the dearth of support he has received in the 'Window'.All indicators point to a parting of the ways.
I have opined on HOL for some time that I would be surprised if he was at the helm next season.When I articulated this privately, some accused me of being privy to some salient information !

 

[eaglesdare]

Blimey it could be all change next year.

Mateta, munoz Guihe all could be off with the manager.

Wonder if we will pre plan in January for it? (Lol)

 

[Linford]

This isn't to apportion blame.
Sometimes managers and owners have conflicting views/objectives and this leads to an inevitable parting of the ways.

It doesn’t necessarily. Wenger said the same about Arsenal on a number of occasions. Ferguson has said it before about Man United. Guardiola has said it before about Man City. Three of the longest serving (and most successful) managers in the English game.

 

[PatrickA]

It doesn’t necessarily. Wenger said the same about Arsenal on a number of occasions. Ferguson has said it before about Man United. Guardiola has said it before about Man City. Three of the longest serving (and most successful) managers in the English game.

That's why I used the word 'sometimes.'
Nonetheless, my feeling is that Glasner will fall into the category of those who leave.
He's actually referred to commitments about squad strengthening being broken as well as the timing of when transfers occur.

 

[Goal Machine]

Tough to say what will happen... my view is that Ollie will make his decision at the end of the season and this will ultimately be based on how successful we are on the pitch between now and May.

In the event we finish top 5 and qualify for Champions League (unlikely) Ollie will stay, as will JPM, Munoz and Wharton. If we finish mid table and fail to win the Conference League I think we lose them all and it's a full rebuild. If somewhere in between (i.e. qualify for Europa League) it will be somewhere in between those two outcomes.

If Parish is serious about keeping Ollie, he's gonna have to back him seriously in January, and I suspect this would include signing 3-4 quality players who are all capable of improving the starting 11. If Parish holds up his end of the deal it would be up to Ollie to deliver and it would be disappointing if he then decides to leave.

If the wheels come off before January, which they may well do with our fixture pile up, it could be too late.

If Ollie does go, I feel our established PL status makes us an attractive proposition for many managers out there. If Frank gets the boot at Spurs, he'd be my first choice. I also think Liam Rosenior would be a good shout.