Kamada

PatrickA said:
When Kamada moves on it will be his third 'free' transfer in a row.
He is the very epitome of the footballing mercenary, but I don't say this in a disparaging way.

In many ways I'm surprised more footballers don't operate in this manner.
It gives them the opportunity to obtain massive signing on fees that they would otherwise be unlikely to obtain and also high wages over the course of short term contracts.

Guehi almost pulled it off too, but in a fit of conscience (or some other reason) had the grace to leave early to at least allow Palace to gain a small portion of his value.

The boot is on the other foot too as Palace took Lerma on a free from Bournemouth after he had impressed there and won their award for player of the season.
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Kamada has obviously been very prudent, and fair play to him for it. He's also taken risks others wouldn't, in that if he picked up a serious injury towards the end of any these contracts then he'd be out of work altogether with no club to take care of his medical needs, let alone a team to come back to. That scenario dissuades a lot of players from letting their contracts run down.

I think perhaps the biggest factor, though, is Kamada's modest transfer fee value when he is in contract.

On one hand, its simply impossible for clubs like Palace to let a £30-60m player walk away for nothing - if he won't re-sign then he must be sold, even if we have to engineer the move. That is possible to do, as there will always be a buyer given the quality of the player.

On the other hand, when it comes to a £10-15m player like Kamada, it's not so urgent. We can miss out on that money if needs be and it won't sink us. Given that he's doing a job in the team in the meantime it might make more sense to keep him even if we get a low offer. If we wanted to sell him, it's not obvious that there would be a queue of buyers.

Kamada's career path reflects a range of circumstances, including his own modest value as a saleable asset.
 
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sprites said:
Appreciate the debate. Just as a bit of fun, if I was to rate them out of 10 on the six key FIFA attributes, it would look a little something like this:

SPEED - Kamada 7, Hughes 5
SHOOTING - Kamada 5, Hughes 4
TACKLING - Kamada 3, Hughes 7
PASSING - Kamada 6, Hughes 6
DRIBBLING - Kamada 6, Hughes 5
PHYSICALITY - Kamada 3, Hughes 7

Kamada -30.
Hughes - 34.
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As you like attributes, these are rankings on EA sports. I would assume their analytics are a bit more comprehensive than yours.

Pace - Kamada 71, Hughes. 51
Shooting - Kamada 72, Hughes 62
Passing - Kamada 77, Hughes 76
Dribbling - Kamada 78, Hughes 75
Defending - Kamada 64, Hughes 73
Physicality - Kamada 66, Hughes 67

Overall - Kamada. 428. Hughes. 404
 
Painter said:
As you like attributes, these are rankings on EA sports. I would assume their analytics are a bit more comprehensive than yours.

Pace - Kamada 71, Hughes. 51
Shooting - Kamada 72, Hughes 62
Passing - Kamada 77, Hughes 76
Dribbling - Kamada 78, Hughes 75
Defending - Kamada 64, Hughes 73
Physicality - Kamada 66, Hughes 67

Overall - Kamada. 428. Hughes. 404
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If the analytics are that comprehensive, how do they come up with those shooting numbers for those two? 🤣
 
Painter said:
As you like attributes, these are rankings on EA sports. I would assume their analytics are a bit more comprehensive than yours.

Pace - Kamada 71, Hughes. 51
Shooting - Kamada 72, Hughes 62
Passing - Kamada 77, Hughes 76
Dribbling - Kamada 78, Hughes 75
Defending - Kamada 64, Hughes 73
Physicality - Kamada 66, Hughes 67

Overall - Kamada. 428. Hughes. 404
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Kamada is half decent player on FM26: but it's not realistic as he scores and assists regularly. 🤣 You can also sell Hughes for about 20 mil - again completely unrealistic. Not a surprise that Hughes has the higher mental attributes. Try selling Kamada and he does the usual. Waits for his contract to run down. So there are some interesting algorithms there.
 
BromleyMonkey said:
If the analytics are that comprehensive, how do they come up with those shooting numbers for those two? 🤣
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Kamada was a fairly common goalscorer for Frankfurt (16 goals in all comps in 22/23 season!) and he averages about 1 in 4 for Japan.

Hughes has never really scored goals anywhere.
 
Painter said:
As you like attributes, these are rankings on EA sports. I would assume their analytics are a bit more comprehensive than yours.

Pace - Kamada 71, Hughes. 51
Shooting - Kamada 72, Hughes 62
Passing - Kamada 77, Hughes 76
Dribbling - Kamada 78, Hughes 75
Defending - Kamada 64, Hughes 73
Physicality - Kamada 66, Hughes 67

Overall - Kamada. 428. Hughes. 404
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Bahahahahahahahaha. Okay even you Kamada fan boys must get a giggle out of Kamada being rated 66 for physicality - just one less than Hughes. He literally runs out of the way rather than making a tackle.
 
pssguy said:
You haven't factored in sell-on value. Kamada will provide nothing. We'd obviously lose a packet on Nketiah and Johnson but they wouldn't go for free. If Pino has a decent WC he could be worth more than what we paid for him given his age
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No, I hadn't thought in those terms. However, you can probably count on one hand the number of players we have sold for a profit since being promoted to the PL. The vast majority have either left on a free or been sold for peanuts. Pino (and possibly Canvot) may join the few exceptions, but there's no guarantee of that
 
Teddy Eagle said:
By no means. The odds on making it to the PL in the first place are vanishingly small but the rewards are incredible for those who do.
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I read recently that Chelsea offered Jesse Derry £10k a week in wages to tempt him over - he'd never kicked a ball professionally at that point, and already onto a salary of half a million a year aged 18.

It's unfathomable really.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I read recently that Chelsea offered Jesse Derry £10k a week in wages to tempt him over - he'd never kicked a ball professionally at that point, and already onto a salary of half a million a year aged 18.

It's unfathomable really.
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For comparison Hearts have two players on £7,000 a week. No one else earns more than £4,500.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Tackles per 90 in the PL this season:

Kamada - 1.69
Hughes - 0.99
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Absolute rubbish. Not sure where you’re getting your stats from, but that’s a load of tosh. Anyone with eyesight can tell you Hughes makes more tackles than Kamada without even calculating it fairly by minutes played, let alone when you take that into account.
 
PatrickA said:
When Kamada moves on it will be his third 'free' transfer in a row.
He is the very epitome of the footballing mercenary, but I don't say this in a disparaging way.

In many ways I'm surprised more footballers don't operate in this manner.
It gives them the opportunity to obtain massive signing on fees that they would otherwise be unlikely to obtain and also high wages over the course of short term contracts.

Guehi almost pulled it off too, but in a fit of conscience (or some other reason) had the grace to leave early to at least allow Palace to gain a small portion of his value.

The boot is on the other foot too as Palace took Lerma on a free from Bournemouth after he had impressed there and won their award for player of the season.
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Guehi did pull it off. Essentially his agent told him a few years ago to run down his contract and his weekly wage could start with a 3 per week (so £300k!). The agent was no doubt also asking for c£5m for himself.
Man City essentially bought him on the cheap and paid him a contract as if he was a bosman.
They paid £20m to buy him 6 months early.
 
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