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Kamada will be an asset

It's surprising when Ollie publicly criticises a player - as he did yesterday with JPM - because he rarely does that for good reasons. Some have written here that JPM gave Kamada a rebuke on the pitch, maybe his substitution and criticism of him was a tit-for-tat. So far so good, his team spirit attitude doesn't tolerate squabbles among the players. However, he needs to be careful because when a player cheaply sets up a goal that changes the game with a tackle that normally occurs in the lower leagues (and in my opinion was on the verge of a red), he can't expect his teammates to be completely unemotional either. So Ollie should also ask himself whether keeping Kamada in the starting line-up is really the best thing to do. Kamada was Ollie's transfer wish and admitting mistakes is not easy. However, it can be even more fatal if you never do. A transfer that doesn't work out isn't a disaster and happens at all clubs any time.
No, Kamada is not the only one to blame when we lose. Yes, Kamada often receives criticism that isn't entirely justified or when others in the team weren't much better. As long as these criticisms only occur in an internet forum - justified or unjustified - it doesn't matter at all. It just shouldn't happen in the team and that's where all the club's representatives are asked to prevent it. A manager with great authority based on good performances should be the first.
 
PatrickA said:
Yes, he conceded the free kick from which De Bruyne scored and launched the comeback.
But it was a poorly organised wall in which Wharton turned his back that enabled the goal.
The centre backs and Henderson didn't cover themselves in glory for the other goals.
Nonetheless, Kamada is the only one who gets the brickbats for yesterday.

I'm not defending Kamada, who has been poor this season, and doesn't warrant a starting place in my view, and he's unlikely to have one with players returning.

As he can't play as one of the 2 central midfield roles or one of the roles in the front 3 , he doesn't appear to be a natural fit for Glasner's system.
However, we don't have the biggest squad so he will continue to get minutes and he's more likely to contribute without the ongoing heckling.
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Agree. His foul for the free kick was poor and the goal changed the flow of the game. However to pin defeat on him lets the others off the hook and OG making a tactical change at h/t that didn’t work
 
I think we all agree that OG is a fabulous manager for us no question and I would much rather have him than not. But even the greatest managers make mistakes and worse still will not admit it. Kamada is I’m afraid that mistake.

I would rather have played Ward as a centre back yesterday to allow Lerma to be the midfield enforcer to sit beside Wharton if as it appears Hughes is deemed unable to start (he was band and then unwell… not injured as far as I’m aware).

If Ward or Clyne were not an option and Lerma had to play at the back then why not Devenny? Kid has done well when he’s played and shown miles more than kamakazi. David Ozoh absolutely offered more than ksmakazi too and he got sent out on loan.

I don’t know much but I know for certain that Kamada is no more a central midfielder than my dog is.

If and it’s a bloody big if OG insists on him being here then he should only ever be used as a sub for one of the number 10 positions. At least he shouldn’t cause too much damage there.

I say this with no joy but he is one of the most pointless players I’ve ever seen at palace. It’s getting silly because I’m starting to have a pathological dislike of the man which is crazy. I will literally celebrate when he leaves. Stealing a 100 grand a week… 🤬🤬🤬🤬
 
DenTyler said:
I think we all agree that OG is a fabulous manager for us no question and I would much rather have him than not. But even the greatest managers make mistakes and worse still will not admit it. Kamada is I’m afraid that mistake.

I would rather have played Ward as a centre back yesterday to allow Lerma to be the midfield enforcer to sit beside Wharton if as it appears Hughes is deemed unable to start (he was band and then unwell… not injured as far as I’m aware).

If Ward or Clyne were not an option and Lerma had to play at the back then why not Devenny? Kid has done well when he’s played and shown miles more than kamakazi. David Ozoh absolutely offered more than ksmakazi too and he got sent out on loan.

I don’t know much but I know for certain that Kamada is no more a central midfielder than my dog is.

If and it’s a bloody big if OG insists on him being here then he should only ever be used as a sub for one of the number 10 positions. At least he shouldn’t cause too much damage there.

I say this with no joy but he is one of the most pointless players I’ve ever seen at palace. It’s getting silly because I’m starting to have a pathological dislike of the man which is crazy. I will literally celebrate when he leaves. Stealing a 100 grand a week… 🤬🤬🤬🤬
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This is it really. I've written before that I don't comprehend what Kamada brings to the party. he's shown very little and has had more than a few minutes to show us what he's made of. Other players I can see why they are there and what job they are supposed to do - it's all pretty straight forward in light of how the manager wants the team to set up. With Kamada I don't understand what his role is - is he the link between defence and attack with quick feet and accurate passes? Thus far his contributions have been negligible, a couple of crisp passes here and there, but overall he offers very little.
 
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Hannes said:
It's surprising when Ollie publicly criticises a player - as he did yesterday with JPM - because he rarely does that for good reasons. Some have written here that JPM gave Kamada a rebuke on the pitch, maybe his substitution and criticism of him was a tit-for-tat. So far so good, his team spirit attitude doesn't tolerate squabbles among the players. However, he needs to be careful because when a player cheaply sets up a goal that changes the game with a tackle that normally occurs in the lower leagues (and in my opinion was on the verge of a red), he can't expect his teammates to be completely unemotional either. So Ollie should also ask himself whether keeping Kamada in the starting line-up is really the best thing to do. Kamada was Ollie's transfer wish and admitting mistakes is not easy. However, it can be even more fatal if you never do. A transfer that doesn't work out isn't a disaster and happens at all clubs any time.
No, Kamada is not the only one to blame when we lose. Yes, Kamada often receives criticism that isn't entirely justified or when others in the team weren't much better. As long as these criticisms only occur in an internet forum - justified or unjustified - it doesn't matter at all. It just shouldn't happen in the team and that's where all the club's representatives are asked to prevent it. A manager with great authority based on good performances should be the first.
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Very well written post.
 
Someone really needs to talk to Glasner about him. His assistants probably do not want to screw up their career fortunes if they are linked to his. We don't have a director of football that could through the video and stats with him. Parish is probably scared to lose him if he has a word. Mateta may have done - especially as he is on half his wages - and could now be in the doghouse.
Personally, I think it is Guehi's role if he thinks the players are unhappy. He is the captain, apparently very effective and is almost cetainly leaving in the summer. A great goodbye gift would be if he helped make sure Kamada does not appear in any more Cup games this season
 
Parish is paying his, and everybody else's paycheque. I don't think he would be avoiding the question if he wants to ask it. It certainly would have come up at one point or another. Just wish I could be a fly on the wall.
 
Kamada bashing is similar to the old days of what was posted about Hennessey, completely over the top. Its a team game, Hughes does similar challenges to Kamada's every week, but gets praised for it. If Guehi and Nkethia hadnt both got stupidly sent off last week, Guehi would of played and Lerma in midfield, but nobody blames him.
Whartons form is a concern, he is almost anonymous for large parts of the games, not the same as last season. Kamada obviously has a good track record from his time is Europe and maybe will flourish next season, is wasnt long ago the Mateta was deemed useless by the wise old sages on here, but thats all forgotten.
 
Maybe, just maybe. Ollie can see something that you cant?

And maybe he doesn't jump on a player for 1 mistake. And maybe if he is picking him over Hughes, Deveny etc maybe he has his reasons.

But of course not, you all know best.

Loose to Newcastle and I expect we'll see the Glasner out thread back
 
MrRobbo said:
Maybe, just maybe. Ollie can see something that you cant?

And maybe he doesn't jump on a player for 1 mistake. And maybe if he is picking him over Hughes, Deveny etc maybe he has his reasons.

But of course not, you all know best.

Loose to Newcastle and I expect we'll see the Glasner out thread back
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So he's better than Hughes in your opinion? There is no divine right on any of our managers to be always correct. Likely then we would have a trophy cabinet full of gleaming cups.

Unfortunately, people can use their own eyes and thoughts and make their own opinions.

You tell us why Kamada deserves to be picked instead of a mystical someone knows better opinion.
 
Yep a lot of ours didn’t perform well yesterday.
But the difference is that they all have ‘points in the bank’ for many good previous performances. Kamada has none, so fairly , gets the stick

Palacesince64 said:
Glasner didn’t “openly criticise” Mateta. He was asked why he subbed him and gave an honest answer. Had anyone asked him about Kamada’s performance or indeed any of the rest of the team he’d have answered accordingly. I doubt there were many who would have received a positive appraisal!

I hope Kamada goes at the end of the season. He’s not performing at his best in the PL for sure, but he gets dogs abuse here for just being on the bench!
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ASCPFC said:
The reasoning was non sensical and I find myself annoyed with Glasner for it. He said Mateta specifically didn't do enough closing down, then the team in general didn't close down well enough. Yet...
He picked Kamada who patently cannot press. And left out Hughes who is good at it. As far as I'm concerned, this is on Glasner - which I think he's kind of admitted.
I'm once again reminded of Kamada fully closing a goalie down but then just standing there looking to Glasner for instruction. Not the first time he'd done that either. The free kick where Glasner had to tell him what to do. Which was embarrassing and, frankly, pathetic. Not what I want in a team.
If you want to press, and moan about our press, then perhaps pick players able to do that.
I'm presuming Ollie has learnt something but if he's learnt that some of the team are unhappy with a teammate - he's learnt the wrong lesson.
My guess on Mateta's substitution was his clear pop at Kamada. I also reckon Hughes not playing was that he's said something similar. We've seen it with Holding - there is no going against the party line. I agree largely with Holding - as he's s***. However, Mateta and Hughes both mean miles miles more to the team than Kamada, in my opinion.
Let's put it this way - would we lose anything if Kamada were not here? For a start we'd save 95k a week and we could use Devenny. And I'll put this on record - past performances in Germany are meaningless. No team can afford to lose points to let someone integrate. The Premier league is either integrate quickly or f*** off. Just the way that it is. Better players than Kamada have come and gone double quick. Devenny is better despite Kamada's pedigree. The evidence of it in front of my face - rather than some future "might be" will suffice.
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So the best manager we’ve had in years is petty enough to not play his holding midfielder and sub his striker because they’ve criticised a player he rates and you don’t? Seriously?
Not so long ago many in here were saying Mateta wasn’t seeing anything useless and Hughes was a sub standard substitute. Ollie has turned them both into effective team players. I’ve no idea whether he thinks Kamada is doing a great job or sees him as worth investing time in. I suspect he thinks Wharton needs someone with experience alongside him and given we have the most important game of our season in 2 weeks time he’s sharing the load between Kamada and Hughes. Either way I trust our manager to do what’s right for the team.
 
Palacesince64 said:
So the best manager we’ve had in years is petty enough to not play his holding midfielder and sub his striker because they’ve criticised a player he rates and you don’t? Seriously?
Not so long ago many in here were saying Mateta wasn’t seeing anything useless and Hughes was a sub standard substitute. Ollie has turned them both into effective team players. I’ve no idea whether he thinks Kamada is doing a great job or sees him as worth investing time in. I suspect he thinks Wharton needs someone with experience alongside him and given we have the most important game of our season in 2 weeks time he’s sharing the load between Kamada and Hughes. Either way I trust our manager to do what’s right for the team.
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Nobody's perfect, nor is anyone right all of the time. And fans do tend to speculate on forums, and offer opinions. I don't entirely disagree with you but you seem to be stating that what I say is patently wrong. Perhaps it is but it's not exactly definitive whatever any of us say or think. I'm not more in the know than anyone else - except Dazza, I'm more in the know than he.
I think what I say is ringing true with some people. Perhaps we're just wrong, maybe there's something in it.
It seems baffling to me that Kamada starts before others but at least you offered a reason as to why. Others just seem to have some kind of blind faith in the guy. He hasn't earned that yet.
I said on another thread ( or maybe even this one) perhaps Kamada is f***ing brilliant in training? Perhaps.
 
If it had been a few games, then yes we would all be out of order to jump on Kamadas back. But it’s been the best part of a full season. We have seen nothing. Not a thing. People say he’s made a pass here or a pass there… really? For a hundred grand a week and you can literally count his good work with the fingers of one hand.

Now for those out there who say give him time etc etc, well of course we will, we also have zero choice because we are just fans. BUT we are allowed on our fans forum to be pissed off when a chancer is taking the piss. I’ve watched every single second of every single match under OG. Kamada offers nothing. He can’t dictate the play like an inform Wharton. Can’t run at a defence like Eze and sure as s*** offers nothing as a central midfielder. He is always out of sync with the play unfolding around him, he falls over all the time, spends an amazing amount of time doing nothing.

So please tell me, somebody, anybody what we are waiting for? And please don’t give me the ‘Mateta did nothing’ shite, once he got a run he offered so much more than Edouard did even before he started scoring. There was a period under Roy that he looked the real deal holding up the ball and bringing others into the game. I’d actually go so far as up say I would rather watch Edouard play for us again than Kamakazi.

This does not make me or the countless others on this forum that feel the same bad fans or supporters. It just means we care and are in equal measure baffled and frustrated at this players inability to perform at our level.

When we sign any player I want them to do well, we all do. I sincerely hope I’m proved wrong but I honestly don’t think I will be. He signed a 2 year deal. He’s half through it. I can’t see him being here longer.
 
Willo said:
It would appear that Kamada is the modern day Pardew, rated far more by the manager than the supporters.
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The issue with Pardew is that at one point he was seen as keeping fan favourite Dave Madden out of the team, and then subsequently broke up the successful Gray/Thomas axis with Gray being shunted out to the right to accommodate Pardew.
Coppell acknowledged that Gray was unhappy with this, but said he wanted Pardew in the team for 'his grit.'

With regard to Kamada it would appear that Hughes is not fully fit otherwise I'm sure he'd be preferred to Kamada.

Kamada obviously did well for Glasner previously, which is why he wanted him in the first place.
I might be wrong, but Glasner seems to be the ultra professional and I doubt that he would just select Kamada out of some mistaken blind loyalty or desire to prove people wrong.
 
ASCPFC said:
So he's better than Hughes in your opinion? There is no divine right on any of our managers to be always correct. Likely then we would have a trophy cabinet full of gleaming cups.

Unfortunately, people can use their own eyes and thoughts and make their own opinions.

You tell us why Kamada deserves to be picked instead of a mystical someone knows better opinion.
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I'm not saying he is better than Hughes. But he's certainly not as bad as most make out. And he was lucky not to get an assist on Sat.

And no managers wont always be correct, but there will always be a reason for what they do. Vs a fan who 'never liked that Kamada fella'

People can make their own opinions. Unfortunately peoples minds are already made up when the see him in the team, and so will never give him a fair crack. Wharton, Hughes, Lacroix, Mitchell etc were all worse than Kamada.

I personally just try to see the best in things, whereas many others are keen to write off JPM, Lacroix, Mitchell, Glasner, Nketiah, Kamada etc . Always seams like there has to be a player/manager that is getting digged out.

Why did he deserve to get picked. I'm not tactically astute enough to know. But Glasner is, and decided for whatever reason that he was preferred to Hughes. And for the first 30 mins looked like the right call.

Regardless , Kamada was not the reason we lost that game.
 
One word might explain it - loyalty.
Loyalty to superior is quite predominant in Japanese culture, superior shows faith by giving oppurtunity.
 
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