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Is Glasner the problem?

I think the Glasner question doesn't really put into perspective either the win rate or the points averages compared to the last two managers

viera got us a 29.73% win rate and an average points per game of 1.23

Hodgson in his 200 games got a win rate of 33% and an average points per game of 1.22

Glasner has atm a win rate of 40.91% with an expected points per game of 1.5

even if glasner loses the next two games , he is still at a sam allerdyce level, though hopefully without the fake retirement.

as i've said elsewhere in the interwebs for glasner to get to the viera/ hodgson level is to lose the next 6 league fixtures which would make an ipswich game loss the point where he becomes worse than the last two and therefore should then be sacked in my view.

on transfers in : Nketiah, sarr, Lacroix look positive, Kamada looks like a Squad player like schlupp rather than the second coming of Olise and riad doesn't look up to standard. Turner is a plus if it means we don't have to have remi" the Blind" matthews as our backup goalkeeper( though i want goodman and whitworth to be our 2nd and 3rd goalkeepers next season)

on transfers out: Olise is understandable as he is a world class player , now playing for a world class team. Joachim anderson is dissapointing but understandable given a long contract means that if he regresses we end up paying loads of money for a 34 yr old who is maybe at a ward level, which i think also plays into the ayew transfer, given he has an extension to 2025, it seems better to get some money and not end up with some long and expensive contract for a 35-36 yr old( especially if next season we have JRS as our long term replacement).Sam johnstone transfer was annnoying , but i can't fault a no1 level goalkeeper from wanting to be a no1 especially when he handled things much better than guaita did.

I think the substantive squad changes from the summer transfer window, and the extensive international football for those who remained at the club has resulted in a team that hasn't gelled and we saw that most completely at the start of the season, with the tearing apart by west ham and the clunkiness of the leicester performance , although i'd argue that even though we lost to liverpool , we looked less probable to go down as we seemed to be more energetic for the first 15 minutes and without JPM and Kamada.

we'll see how effectively we improve our cohesiveness over the next 6 games and i think then we will be able to decide whether we should change managers to better integrate our team.
 
If Glasner is a decent manager, and history tells us he is decent, then hopefully he is in it for the long term, so he must know that he has to adjust his ambitions for the moment, in the future if we get a Commanding CD for the middle of the back three, an attacking left footed Olise replacement, and a proper LWB, then i am sure things would be different, in the meantime he has to forget 3-4-2-1 and use the players at there best positions, reports from the Ipswich friendly sound encouraging, but if he starts against Forest, with Clyne and Mitchell as WBs i fear the worst.
 
I believe we need to stick with Glasner at the moment and get fully behind him. I believe we will put some results together before Xmas and then start to consolidate in the second half of the season.
I think Ipswich, Southampton, Leicester and Wolves will all be below us by the New Year.
 
derfes said:
I think the Glasner question doesn't really put into perspective either the win rate or the points averages compared to the last two managers

viera got us a 29.73% win rate and an average points per game of 1.23

Hodgson in his 200 games got a win rate of 33% and an average points per game of 1.22

Glasner has atm a win rate of 40.91% with an expected points per game of 1.5

even if glasner loses the next two games , he is still at a sam allerdyce level, though hopefully without the fake retirement.

as i've said elsewhere in the interwebs for glasner to get to the viera/ hodgson level is to lose the next 6 league fixtures which would make an ipswich game loss the point where he becomes worse than the last two and therefore should then be sacked in my view.

on transfers in : Nketiah, sarr, Lacroix look positive, Kamada looks like a Squad player like schlupp rather than the second coming of Olise and riad doesn't look up to standard. Turner is a plus if it means we don't have to have remi" the Blind" matthews as our backup goalkeeper( though i want goodman and whitworth to be our 2nd and 3rd goalkeepers next season)

on transfers out: Olise is understandable as he is a world class player , now playing for a world class team. Joachim anderson is dissapointing but understandable given a long contract means that if he regresses we end up paying loads of money for a 34 yr old who is maybe at a ward level, which i think also plays into the ayew transfer, given he has an extension to 2025, it seems better to get some money and not end up with some long and expensive contract for a 35-36 yr old( especially if next season we have JRS as our long term replacement).Sam johnstone transfer was annnoying , but i can't fault a no1 level goalkeeper from wanting to be a no1 especially when he handled things much better than guaita did.

I think the substantive squad changes from the summer transfer window, and the extensive international football for those who remained at the club has resulted in a team that hasn't gelled and we saw that most completely at the start of the season, with the tearing apart by west ham and the clunkiness of the leicester performance , although i'd argue that even though we lost to liverpool , we looked less probable to go down as we seemed to be more energetic for the first 15 minutes and without JPM and Kamada.

we'll see how effectively we improve our cohesiveness over the next 6 games and i think then we will be able to decide whether we should change managers to better integrate our team.
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Personally I'm not bothered by win rate comparisons with other managers.

In every case both circumstances and personnel change so the stats don't really add value to the current situation.

So I tend to live in the here and now.

I largely agree with your summary of events to date. There are definitely a number of mitigating reasons for why we are where we are at present.

OG now faces a test of his broader tactical and managerial skills if he is to steer us up the table and away from trouble.

I think the general consensus is that he is capable of doing that, and I certainly hope he can.

We're about to find out !
 
I keep reading about Glasner changing things up to include both Mateta and Nketiah but what he needs to address is the wing backs who are not good enough, we should have invested in these positions. We have overload ourselves with centre backs so switching to a back 4 will mean a couple being left out. We have created our own problems.

Our best 2 centre backs in my eyes are Guéhi and Lacroix, right n left backs we don't have choice, defensive midfielders Doucoure n Lerma (play Hughes if Doucoure is injured), attacking midfielders Sarr n Eze (Eze needs to do more) Forwards Mateta n Nketiah.

Wharton is carrying a injury so that needs sorting out.

Glasner needs to motivate the team and get us up n running against forest and then spurs. I want him to succeed but his time will run out sooner or later.
 
Feels like he’s sticking to what isn’t working and it’s frustrating to watch. If things don't pick up by Christmas, a change might not be a bad shout.
 
It will be interesting to see how we line up in the next two games against Forest and Spurs.
Both play in a similar way with two speedy wide players and an attacking midfielder pulling the strings ( Gibbs White and Maddison respectively).
Spurs also push their full backs on.

If we continue to play in the same way as we have so far this season then I foresee problems as we have been vulnerable to the counter attack and both Forest and Spurs are adept at hitting teams on the break with their pace.

We can’t afford to see our flimsy 2 man central midfield again by passed or leave gaps down the sides.

Sadly I suspect we may only take 1 point from the two games and if this proved to be the case then the Wolves game becomes huge for the team and Glasner’s future.

The reality of this season is that we haven’t come close to winning a game even if the performances have been ok.
We’ve never dominated the midfield other than in patches, and we’ve not been good enough in either penalty area.
 
PatrickA said:
It will be interesting to see how we line up in the next two games against Forest and Spurs.
Both play in a similar way with two speedy wide players and an attacking midfielder pulling the strings ( Gibbs White and Maddison respectively).
Spurs also push their full backs on.

If we continue to play in the same way as we have so far this season then I foresee problems as we have been vulnerable to the counter attack and both Forest and Spurs are adept at hitting teams on the break with their pace.

We can’t afford to see our flimsy 2 man central midfield again by passed or leave gaps down the sides.

Sadly I suspect we may only take 1 point from the two games and if this proved to be the case then the Wolves game becomes huge for the team and Glasner’s future.

The reality of this season is that we haven’t come close to winning a game even if the performances have been ok.
We’ve never dominated the midfield other than in patches, and we’ve not been good enough in either penalty area.
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PatrickA said:
It will be interesting to see how we line up in the next two games against Forest and Spurs.
Both play in a similar way with two speedy wide players and an attacking midfielder pulling the strings ( Gibbs White and Maddison respectively).
Spurs also push their full backs on.

If we continue to play in the same way as we have so far this season then I foresee problems as we have been vulnerable to the counter attack and both Forest and Spurs are adept at hitting teams on the break with their pace.

We can’t afford to see our flimsy 2 man central midfield again by passed or leave gaps down the sides.

Sadly I suspect we may only take 1 point from the two games and if this proved to be the case then the Wolves game becomes huge for the team and Glasner’s future.

The reality of this season is that we haven’t come close to winning a game even if the performances have been ok.
We’ve never dominated the midfield other than in patches, and we’ve not been good enough in either penalty area.
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He has had long enough now to access all the players at his disposal, If he is the manager we expect him to be, change is needed, if he starts with a back 3, with Mitchell and Clyne as WBs, i will know he is not the flexible manager i thought he was, and i think it will be time for serious questions to be asked.
 
Vaibow said:
OG has to adapt to the prem, it's that simple...

If he can't see it isn't working, he has to change it or be changed himself...
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Is it that simple ? I disagree.

I was interested in an interview that Marc Guehi gave in which he admitted to not playing particularly well this season. And he put that down to not having a proper pre season. If you subscribe to that view, then the same can be said of Wharton, Eze, Henderson, Lerma and Munoz. That's potentially half of our starting line up. Although I think Henderson has performed better than the others mentioned.

The buck stops with Glasner in terms of results, and he has to accept responsibility for where we are, but as mentioned elsewhere in this thread there are mitigating circumstances. And they go beyond the lack of pre season that I described.

I think we will see some tactical and positional changes from him. If they don't bear fruit then we are in for a difficult season.
 
Difficult to put a finger on why we were good end last season and meh beginning this.

I would say we were partly brilliant because of the link between Munoz and Olise (gone) on the right and between Olise (gone) and Eze along the front.

The fatigue of regular trips to Latin America and back for Munoz and Lerma hasn't helped.

We were also excellent due to the dynamic in midfield with Wharton (injured) and Doucoure (injured).
 
silvertop said:
Difficult to put a finger on why we were good end last season and meh beginning this.

I would say we were partly brilliant because of the link between Munoz and Olise (gone) on the right and between Olise (gone) and Eze along the front.

The fatigue of regular trips to Latin America and back for Munoz and Lerma hasn't helped.

We were also excellent due to the dynamic in midfield with Wharton (injured) and Doucoure (injured).
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All fair points. Add to that Kamada (who I believe in long term by the way) is finding it more difficult than expected to find his form in this division, Riad and Chalobah getting injured early on meaning we cant yet find a settled back line, Nketiah being signed so close to deadline we are probably only from now onwards going to start seeing the best of him.
And then theres JPM. His form is ok but no more than that. We had a focal point at the back end of last season when he was on fire. Maybe its time to put Nketiah there.
 
We have one left back and our one realistic right back is injured. That's on the club.
However, if Glasner continues with a back three with Munoz injured and Mitchell the only left back he's going to pick, then that's on him. That's essentially our weakness.
You should play the best team you can with the players you have. We can't rely on our wing backs for creativity - not currently anyway.
Better off to put an extra midfield man on in my opinion. We've been overrun in midfield every game.
Also, any more crap performances and drop players. They need to be called out. The main ones I'm pointing fingers at are Mateta and Eze. Prove to them that they're not undroppable.
 
ASCPFC said:
We have one left back and our one realistic right back is injured. That's on the club.
However, if Glasner continues with a back three with Munoz injured and Mitchell the only left back he's going to pick, then that's on him. That's essentially our weakness.
You should play the best team you can with the players you have. We can't rely on our wing backs for creativity - not currently anyway.
Better off to put an extra midfield man on in my opinion. We've been overrun in midfield every game.
Also, any more crap performances and drop players. They need to be called out. The main ones I'm pointing fingers at are Mateta and Eze. Prove to them that they're not undroppable.
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Completely agree with that, the buck stops with Glasner, nobody is undroppable
 
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